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Has anyone here ever just absorbed the 6% penalty each year rather than withdrawing the excess? I'm trying to decide if it's worth it in my case since my excess contribution was only $600 and the penalty is just $36/year.
I did this for two years when I had a small excess amount. The math worked out that paying the penalty was better than withdrawing in my situation because my investments had good returns. But remember, you're paying that penalty EVERY year until you either withdraw the excess or "absorb" it by under-contributing in a future year.
Great breakdown of your situation! You're absolutely correct about the penalty calculations - $60 for 2022 and $60 for 2023, and no penalty for 2024 if you withdraw before April 15, 2025. One important detail to add: when you contact your IRA provider in January 2025, make sure to specify that you want to withdraw the excess contribution for tax year 2022 (not 2024). This is crucial for proper reporting on their end. Regarding your question about using the withdrawn funds for your 2025 contribution - yes, you can absolutely do that! Once the money is properly withdrawn as an excess contribution correction, it's just regular cash that you can use however you want, including for a new IRA contribution (assuming you're eligible for 2025). And yes, you'll still need to file Form 5329 for 2024 even though you won't owe a penalty. This shows the IRS that you've corrected the excess contribution properly. The form will show the withdrawal and zero out the excess for that year. One last tip: keep detailed records of all this, including the specific dates and amounts. It'll make your tax filing much smoother and help if the IRS ever has questions later.
This is really helpful! I'm new to dealing with IRA issues and had a quick follow-up question. When you mention keeping detailed records, what specific documents should I make sure to save? I want to be prepared in case the IRS asks questions later. Should I keep copies of the withdrawal forms from my IRA provider, or are there other documents that are particularly important for this type of correction?
This has been such a valuable thread! I'm planning to implement this strategy for my S-corp next quarter and really appreciate all the detailed advice shared here. One question I haven't seen addressed: For those of you doing this successfully, how do you handle the corporate side of the documentation? I understand the personal tax reporting (Schedule E), but I want to make sure I'm categorizing the expense correctly in my S-corp's books. Would this rental expense go under "Office Expenses," "Meeting Expenses," or should it have its own category like "Facility Rental"? I use QuickBooks for the corporate accounting, and I want to make sure it's properly classified for both my own records and if we ever get audited. Also, does anyone include language in their corporate bylaws about this type of arrangement, or is the board resolution sufficient? I'm trying to think ahead about what would make this look most legitimate and businesslike. Thanks again everyone - this discussion has given me the confidence to move forward with proper documentation rather than continuing to pay for coffee shop meetings that aren't even tax deductible!
Great question about the corporate accounting side! I've been doing this for about a year and initially struggled with the same classification issue. After consulting with my CPA, we decided to create a separate expense category called "Meeting Facility Rental" in QuickBooks rather than lumping it under general office expenses. This makes it crystal clear what the expense was for if anyone (including the IRS) ever reviews the books. It also makes it easier to track these specific transactions separately from other office-related expenses. Regarding corporate bylaws vs. board resolutions - a board resolution is definitely sufficient and actually preferred because it shows the board actively considered and approved this specific arrangement. Adding it to bylaws might make it seem too routine or automatic. The resolution should specify the business purpose, rental terms, and authorization for management to execute rental agreements as needed. One tip: make sure your QuickBooks transaction includes a memo field describing each rental (like "Q1 2024 Shareholder Meeting - Dining Room Rental") so there's a clear business purpose documented right in your accounting system. This level of detail has really helped me feel confident about the arrangement's legitimacy. You're absolutely right about coffee shop meetings not being deductible - this is a much better approach both tax-wise and for maintaining proper corporate formalities!
This is such a timely discussion for me! I've been running my S-corp for about 6 months now and just realized I need to get more formal about our quarterly meetings. Currently my business partner and I just meet at Panera or wherever, but after reading through all these responses, I can see there's a much better approach. The documentation requirements everyone has outlined are really helpful - especially the emphasis on establishing everything upfront with proper board resolutions and rental agreements before you start. I'm definitely going to look into setting this up properly rather than trying to retrofit documentation after the fact. One thing I'm still unclear on though - for those of you who have been doing this successfully, how do you handle it if you need to reschedule a meeting? Like if we planned to hold our Q2 meeting at my house but then had to move it to a different date, would that affect the rental agreement or documentation? I'm trying to think through all the practical scenarios that might come up. Also really appreciate the specific advice about QuickBooks categorization and the square footage calculation method for determining fair rental rates. This gives me a solid framework to work with when I discuss this with my CPA. Thanks to everyone who shared their real-world experience - it's so much more valuable than the generic advice you find in most tax guides!
Welcome to the community! You're asking great questions about the practical aspects of implementing this strategy. Regarding rescheduling meetings - from my experience, flexibility in the rental agreement is key. Most of us who do this successfully include language in our rental agreements that allows for rescheduling within the same quarter as long as proper notice is given. The important thing is that the rental still serves the same business purpose and follows the same documentation requirements regardless of the specific date. For example, if your Q2 meeting gets moved from June 15th to June 22nd, you'd just update your meeting notice and ensure all the same documentation (photos, minutes, payment) happens on the new date. The rental agreement can specify something like "quarterly meetings as scheduled by the Board" rather than fixed dates. One tip I'd add to what others have shared - consider starting with a simple arrangement for your first few meetings to get comfortable with the process. You can always refine your documentation and procedures as you gain experience. The key is consistency and legitimacy, not perfection from day one. Also, since you mentioned you're only 6 months in, this is actually the perfect time to establish these practices. It's much easier to implement proper corporate governance procedures early rather than trying to change informal habits later. Your future self (and your CPA) will thank you for getting this right from the start!
I'm in the exact same situation with Discover! My DDD is also next Tuesday and I've been obsessively checking my account. From what I've gathered reading through all these comments, it seems like Discover is pretty inconsistent - some people get it 1-2 days early, others right on the DDD. The fact that they don't see anything pending yet isn't necessarily bad news since the IRS releases funds in batches. I'm planning to start checking Sunday night just in case, but trying not to get my hopes up too much. This waiting game is torture! π
Same here! The anticipation is killing me. I've been refreshing my Discover app way too many times already today. From what everyone's saying, it sounds like Tuesday DDDs have a decent chance of hitting Monday, but there's really no way to know for sure. At least we're all in this together! Maybe we should start a support group for people obsessively checking their bank accounts during tax season π
I've been banking with Discover for about 3 years now and my experience has been pretty mixed on early deposits. Last year my refund hit at around 2 AM the day before my DDD, but the year before it came exactly on the scheduled date. I think it really depends on what day of the week your DDD falls on and how busy the IRS is that particular week. Since yours is Tuesday, I'd say there's a decent chance it could hit Monday night or early Tuesday morning. The fact that Discover doesn't see anything pending yet isn't unusual - they often don't show pending deposits until just a few hours before they post. I'd recommend setting up account alerts and trying not to drive yourself crazy checking every hour (easier said than done, I know!). Good luck!
Thanks for sharing your experience! It's helpful to hear from someone who's been with Discover for a while. The inconsistency is frustrating but at least now I know what to expect (or not expect lol). I've already set up alerts but you're right about not checking every hour - that's definitely easier said than done when you're waiting on a big refund! Hopefully Monday night brings good news for all of us Tuesday DDD folks π€
I'm a tax preparer and want to add one important clarification that might help others in similar situations. While everyone is correct that employer-paid health insurance premiums aren't included in gross income, there's one specific scenario to watch out for. If you're a more-than-2% S-corporation shareholder-employee, the employer-paid health insurance premiums ARE included in your gross income (though you may be able to deduct them elsewhere on your return). This is a pretty niche situation, but since you mentioned being close to income thresholds, it's worth noting. For the vast majority of employees (W-2 wage earners), the employer health insurance contribution is completely excluded from gross income as everyone has explained. But if you happen to be a significant owner in an S-corp, the rules are different. Given that you mentioned a regular W-2 situation with $71,500 in income, you're almost certainly in the standard employee category where the health insurance exclusion applies. Just wanted to mention this edge case since precision matters when you're near income thresholds for tax credits!
Thank you for bringing up that S-corp exception! That's definitely an important edge case that could catch people off guard. I'm just a regular W-2 employee, so thankfully that doesn't apply to my situation, but it's good to know about for anyone else reading this thread. It's really helpful to have actual tax preparers weighing in on this discussion. Between all the different perspectives - HR professionals, people who've been through similar situations, and now tax preparers - I feel like I have a really comprehensive understanding of how employer health insurance is treated for tax purposes. The consistency of everyone's responses has been really reassuring. It sounds like as long as you're a regular employee getting a W-2 (which covers the vast majority of people), the employer health insurance contribution is completely excluded from your gross income calculation. Thanks for adding that professional insight and the important caveat about S-corp shareholders!
As someone who's dealt with similar AGI calculations for tax credit eligibility, I can definitely confirm what everyone has said - employer-paid health insurance premiums are excluded from your gross income under Section 106 of the tax code. What really helped me understand this was looking at my actual W-2 when it arrived. Box 1 shows your taxable wages, and the employer's health insurance contribution simply isn't included there. You might see it in Box 12 with code DD (for informational purposes), but that doesn't affect your AGI calculation at all. With your $71,500 base salary, you're in excellent shape for staying under that $75k threshold. The $9,800 your employer pays for health insurance is completely invisible to the IRS for income purposes. Plus, if you're making any pre-tax contributions to health insurance, HSA, or other benefits through payroll deduction, those actually REDUCE your AGI below your base salary. I was in almost the exact same situation last year and successfully claimed the tax credit I was worried about losing. The key is trusting that the tax system has already built in these exclusions - you don't need to add back employer benefits when calculating your AGI. You should be well within the income limits for whatever credit you're pursuing!
This whole discussion has been incredibly helpful! As someone new to navigating tax credits and AGI calculations, I was honestly pretty overwhelmed when I started reading about all the different rules and exceptions. But seeing so many people share their real experiences and professional knowledge has made this so much clearer. What really stands out to me is how consistent everyone's advice has been across the board - whether from HR professionals, tax preparers, or people who've been through similar situations. The fact that employer-paid health insurance is excluded from gross income seems to be one of those tax rules that's pretty straightforward once you understand it. I'm curious though - for someone like me who's still learning about all this, are there other common employer benefits that get similar treatment? Like if my employer contributes to a retirement plan or provides other benefits, do those also stay out of my gross income calculation? I want to make sure I understand the full picture as I navigate these tax credit eligibility requirements. Thanks to everyone who's contributed to this discussion - it's been like a masterclass in understanding how employer benefits affect your AGI!
Sofia Martinez
Another thing to consider - if you're getting a refund from the amendment, the IRS pays interest on that money (and the interest is taxable next year, fun). But if amending means you OWE money, you'll probably have to pay interest and possibly penalties too. The current interest rate the IRS charges is like 7-8% I think? So that's another factor in deciding if it's "worth it" - the longer you wait, the more interest accumulates either way.
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Dmitry Volkov
β’Are there penalties for honest mistakes like this? I thought penalties were only for when you're deliberately trying to evade taxes or something. This seems like a reasonable error anyone could make.
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Zainab Abdulrahman
The $4600 in mortgage interest could definitely be worth amending, but it really depends on whether you itemized or took the standard deduction. If you took the standard deduction and this wouldn't push your total itemized deductions above that threshold, then amending won't help. However, if you were already itemizing or this would tip you over into itemizing territory, you're looking at potential tax savings in the hundreds to over $1000 range depending on your tax bracket. One thing to keep in mind - you have 3 years from the original filing date to amend, so there's no immediate rush. But the sooner you do it, the sooner you'll get any refund (plus the IRS pays interest on amended return refunds). The processing time is definitely slow right now - expect 4-6 months minimum. I'd suggest pulling out your original return and checking Schedule A to see if you itemized. If you did, or if adding this $4600 to your other potential deductions (state taxes, charitable donations, etc.) would exceed your standard deduction amount, then it's probably worth the hassle and fee to amend.
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Marcus Marsh
β’This is really helpful advice! I'm actually in a similar boat - missed some mortgage interest but wasn't sure about the timing. Good to know there's no immediate rush with the 3-year window. One question though - when you say the IRS pays interest on amended return refunds, does that interest start accruing from when you originally filed or from when you submit the amendment? Just trying to figure out if there's any advantage to filing the amendment sooner versus later (aside from getting the money back faster).
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