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As someone who's been doing delivery driving for a while, I'd suggest starting simple for your first year. Track your phone usage for a typical week or two to establish a baseline business percentage - don't just guess. For a $1350 iPhone used part-time for deliveries, you're probably looking at somewhere between 20-40% business use realistically. The key is being able to defend your percentage if questioned. Keep records of your delivery hours, and consider that business use includes not just active delivery time but also time spent checking for orders, navigating, and communicating with customers. For TurboTax, you'll enter this on Schedule C under "Other expenses" and create a line item for "Cell phone (business portion)". The software will walk you through whether to depreciate or take the immediate deduction based on your usage percentage. One tip: don't forget you can also deduct things like a phone mount for your car, charging cables you use while driving, and even a portion of your phone case if you bought it specifically for delivery work protection. These smaller items add up!
This is really helpful advice, especially about tracking usage for a realistic baseline. I'm curious though - when you say business use includes time checking for orders, how do you separate that from just regular phone scrolling? Like if I'm sitting at home with the app open but also texting friends, does that count as business time? And for the phone mount and accessories, do those get depreciated too or can you just deduct them outright since they're smaller purchases?
Great question about phone deductions! Just wanted to add a few practical tips from my experience doing gig work taxes: For tracking business vs personal use, I recommend keeping it simple but defensible. When you're actively logged into the delivery app and available for orders, that's clearly business time - even if you're multitasking with personal stuff. The IRS understands that modern phones are used for multiple purposes simultaneously. A reasonable approach is to calculate total hours you were "on shift" (logged into UberEats and available) versus total phone usage time. You don't need to track every minute perfectly, but having some logical basis helps. For your iPhone, since you only worked Oct-Dec 2024, make sure to prorate the deduction for partial year use. So if you calculate 30% business use, you'd take 30% of the phone cost, then multiply by 3/12 (the portion of the year you were working). Also remember that the monthly payments you're making can be deducted as they're paid, using the same business percentage. So each month you make a payment, you can deduct the business portion of that payment. Keep good records and be conservative but reasonable with your estimates. The IRS expects some judgment calls with mixed-use items like phones.
This is exactly the kind of clear, practical advice I was looking for! The partial year proration is something I hadn't even thought about - so if I worked 3 months out of 12, I'd take my business percentage and then multiply by 25%? That makes total sense. One follow-up question: when you say the monthly payments can be deducted as they're paid, does that mean I can deduct part of my monthly phone payment (the financing part) AND part of my monthly service plan, or would that be double-dipping somehow? I want to make sure I'm not accidentally claiming the same expense twice. Also, for record keeping, would screenshots of my UberEats earnings summary showing my active hours be sufficient documentation, or do I need something more detailed?
Hey Isaiah! You're smart to ask about this early. Just want to emphasize what others have said - definitely report those gains even if they seem small. The IRS has been cracking down on unreported investment income lately, especially from popular apps like Cash App. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that you might also want to look into whether you need to make estimated quarterly tax payments going forward if you plan to keep trading. If your investment gains are significant next year, you could owe penalties for underpayment if you don't pay taxes throughout the year. Also, since you're new to this, consider keeping a simple spreadsheet of your trades as backup documentation. Include buy date, sell date, stock symbol, shares, and amounts. It'll make next year's taxes much easier and gives you peace of mind if there are any discrepancies with your 1099-B. Welcome to the world of investment taxes - it gets easier once you've done it a few times!
This is really solid advice, especially about the quarterly payments! I hadn't even thought about that part. Quick question - do you know what the threshold is for needing to make quarterly payments? Like if I make similar gains next year (around $800-1000), would that trigger the quarterly payment requirement? I'm trying to figure out if this is something I need to worry about or if it's only for people making much bigger gains. Also love the spreadsheet idea. I've been pretty lazy about tracking my trades but you're right that having my own backup records would probably save me headaches down the road.
Good question! The quarterly payment requirement generally kicks in if you expect to owe $1,000 or more in taxes when you file your return. With gains around $800-1000, you probably wouldn't hit that threshold unless you're in a higher tax bracket or have other income sources. Here's the basic rule: if you expect to owe less than $1,000 in total tax (after withholding and credits), OR if you've paid at least 90% of this year's tax liability through withholding/previous payments, you typically won't face underpayment penalties. Since you mentioned you're a W-2 retail employee, your regular job probably withholds enough to cover most of your tax liability. The extra tax on $1,000 in short-term capital gains might only be $120-220 depending on your bracket, so your regular payroll withholding would likely cover it. That said, definitely worth running the numbers or asking a tax pro if your trading activity increases significantly. Better to be safe than get hit with penalties later!
Hey Isaiah! Looks like you've gotten some great advice here already. As someone who's been through this exact situation, I just wanted to add one more thing that might help - if you're feeling overwhelmed by all the tax forms and calculations, don't hesitate to use tax software like TurboTax, FreeTaxUSA, or H&R Block online. They all have sections specifically for investment income and will walk you through entering your 1099-B information step by step. The software will automatically calculate whether your gains are short-term or long-term based on the dates you enter, and it'll populate all the right forms (Schedule D and Form 8949) for you. Since your gains are under $1,000, this should be pretty straightforward even for a first-timer. One last tip - when you do get your 1099-B from Cash App, don't panic if it looks complicated with lots of transactions. The tax software will import most of the data automatically if you upload a PDF of the form, which saves tons of time compared to entering each trade manually. Good luck!
This is really helpful advice! I'm definitely leaning towards using tax software since this is all new to me. Quick question - do you know if the free versions of those tax programs (like FreeTaxUSA or TurboTax Free) can handle investment income, or do you need to upgrade to the paid versions? I'm trying to keep costs down since my gains weren't huge, but I also want to make sure I don't miss anything important. Also, the automatic import feature sounds amazing! I was dreading having to manually enter dozens of trades. Do all the major tax software programs support this, or is it only certain ones?
This is such a helpful thread for beginners! I'm also new to trading and had the exact same confusion about how losses work when you're profitable overall. One thing I wanted to add that might help other newcomers - don't forget that your state might have different rules for capital gains taxes too. I'm in California and was surprised to learn that they don't give preferential treatment to long-term capital gains like the federal government does. So even if you hold stocks for over a year, California still taxes those gains as regular income. It's worth checking your state's specific rules since this can make a big difference in your overall tax planning strategy. Some states have no capital gains tax at all, while others treat it the same as ordinary income regardless of how long you held the investment. Also, totally agree with everyone saying to keep your own records! My broker's 1099-B had my cost basis wrong on a stock I transferred from another account, and having my own spreadsheet saved me from overpaying on taxes.
Great point about state taxes! I'm also in California and was shocked when I found out they don't have preferential long-term capital gains rates. Really changes the math on whether it's worth holding positions for over a year. For anyone reading this, definitely worth looking up your state's rules. I believe states like Florida, Texas, and Nevada have no state income tax at all, so they don't tax capital gains either. Meanwhile states like New York and New Jersey can have pretty high rates on top of federal taxes. This is making me realize I should probably factor state taxes into my trading decisions more. Thanks for bringing this up - it's one of those things they don't really teach you when you're learning the basics of investing!
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm also a beginner trader and had the exact same confusion about how losses offset gains when you're profitable overall. One thing I learned recently that might help others - make sure to understand the difference between realized and unrealized gains/losses. Only trades you actually completed (bought AND sold) count for tax purposes. If you're holding stocks that are down but haven't sold them yet, those paper losses can't offset your realized gains for tax purposes. I made this mistake in my planning earlier this year - I thought my unrealized losses would help reduce my tax bill, but then realized I'd actually have to sell those positions before year-end to capture the losses. Just something to keep in mind as we approach the end of the year! Also echoing what others said about keeping your own records. I use a simple Google Sheet and it's been a lifesaver when reviewing my broker statements. Takes just a minute per trade but gives you so much more confidence when tax time comes around.
I've been using OLT for the past two years and it's been solid for my situation. I have W-2 income plus some freelance work and investment accounts, so not super simple but not crazy complex either. The biggest adjustment coming from TurboTax was the interface - it's definitely more bare-bones and doesn't hold your hand as much. But honestly, once you get used to it, it's actually faster to navigate because there's less fluff. The federal filing being completely free regardless of complexity is huge - I was paying like $120+ with TurboTax for the same forms. One thing to watch out for - their error checking isn't as robust as the bigger names, so definitely review everything carefully before submitting. I caught a couple small mistakes on my own that might have been flagged automatically in TurboTax. But for the price difference, it's worth the extra attention to detail. Customer service is decent if you need it, though not as polished as what you'd get with premium services. Overall, I'd recommend giving it a shot - worst case, you can always fall back to TurboTax if you run into issues, but I think you'll find it handles your situation just fine.
@Jamal Harris I d'love to know more about this too! When you say the error checking isn t'as robust, are we talking about things like missing forms or calculation errors? I m'pretty detail-oriented but I ve'definitely relied on TurboTax catching my typos over the years. It would be helpful to know what specific areas to double-check when using OLT so I don t'miss anything important.
@Mateo Rodriguez @Nora Brooks Great questions! The main things I caught were pretty minor but worth watching for: I had transposed a couple digits in one of my 1099-MISC amounts typed $1,250 (instead of $1,520 , and)I forgot to include the state tax withheld from one of my freelance payments. TurboTax might have flagged these because they cross-reference your entries with common patterns or expected ranges. Their final review does catch the obvious stuff - like missing signatures, incomplete sections, or math errors in calculations. But it s more'of a technical completeness check rather than a does this "make sense review. I" ended up printing out my entire return and going through it line by line with my source documents, which took maybe an extra 30 minutes but gave me peace of mind. For the money I saved, totally worth that extra step!
I've been following this thread and it's really helpful hearing everyone's experiences with OLT! I'm in a similar boat as Pedro - been using TurboTax forever but the cost keeps going up every year. One thing I haven't seen mentioned much is how OLT handles estimated quarterly payments if you have side gig income. Does anyone know if they provide the vouchers and calculate the amounts for next year's estimated payments like TurboTax does? That's been really convenient for my freelance work and I'd hate to lose that feature. Also, for those who made the switch - did you feel confident that your refund/tax owed amount was calculated correctly? I know some of you mentioned doing side-by-side comparisons, but I'm curious if anyone felt like they got a significantly different result between the two platforms that made them question the accuracy.
Great questions about the quarterly payments! Yes, OLT does handle estimated tax calculations and provides the vouchers for next year. When you complete your return, it calculates your expected tax liability for the following year based on your current year's income and suggests quarterly payment amounts. You can print the 1040ES vouchers right from the platform or make payments electronically through their system. It's not quite as polished as TurboTax's interface for this, but it gets the job done and saves you from having to calculate everything manually or use the IRS worksheets. As for accuracy, I did a side-by-side comparison my first year and the final numbers were identical between OLT and TurboTax - same refund amount, same tax owed. The main difference was just in how the information was presented and organized, but all the actual calculations matched up perfectly. That gave me a lot of confidence in making the permanent switch. I'd definitely recommend doing that comparison your first year if you're nervous about it!
Dmitry Volkov
This is a really common issue that many former international students face! I went through something very similar with Wells Fargo a few years ago. The key thing to understand is that banks often don't have staff who are well-trained on the distinction between different tax forms for non-residents. When you call back, be very clear and persistent: "I am a non-resident alien living permanently outside the United States. I need to complete form W-8BEN, not W-9. The W-9 is only for US persons, which I am not." You might need to escalate to a supervisor or their international banking department. Also, keep in mind that once you submit the correct W-8BEN form, the bank will likely withhold 30% tax on any interest earned (unless your home country has a tax treaty with the US that reduces this rate). This is normal for non-resident accounts and much better than accidentally being classified as a US person for tax purposes. Don't let them pressure you into the wrong form just because it's easier for their system!
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Ingrid Larsson
ā¢This is exactly the kind of clear, direct language that works with bank representatives! I had a similar experience with Chase where the first two reps kept insisting I needed a W-9, but when I used almost these exact words and asked to speak with someone in their international banking department, they immediately understood and sent me the correct W-8BEN form. One thing I'd add - if you're still getting pushback, you can also mention that submitting a W-9 when you're not a US person could constitute making a false statement to the IRS, which neither you nor the bank wants. That usually gets their attention pretty quickly!
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Yuki Kobayashi
I've been dealing with a very similar situation with my TD Bank account after moving back to the UK. The confusion around W-9 vs W-8BEN is incredibly common, and banks often default to requesting W-9s because it's what they're most familiar with. Here's what worked for me: I called and specifically asked to speak with someone in their "international accounts" or "non-resident banking" department. Regular customer service reps often aren't trained on these distinctions. When I explained that I was a non-resident alien who needed to file W-8BEN instead of W-9, they knew exactly what I was talking about and sent me the correct form immediately. Also worth noting - make sure you have documentation of your current foreign address ready when you call. They'll need to verify your non-resident status, and having utility bills or bank statements from your home country can help speed up the process. The W-8BEN will properly classify you as a non-resident alien and allow you to claim any applicable tax treaty benefits between your home country and the US. Much better than accidentally being classified as a US person who needs to file annual returns!
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Amina Sy
ā¢This is really helpful advice about asking for the international accounts department! I've been dreading calling back after my first frustrating experience with regular customer service. Quick question - when you mentioned having documentation of your foreign address ready, did they actually ask you to provide proof during the phone call, or was it more for your own reference to answer their questions? Also, do you know if the W-8BEN needs to be notarized or have any special authentication, or is it just a standard form you fill out and send back?
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