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Amina Diallo

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I've worked in customer support for one of these tax software companies (not TaxAct). The bait and switch is 100% intentional. The marketing team literally calls it "conversion points" where they can catch people who've already invested time inputting all their info. The student loan interest deduction is one of the top triggers they use to force upgrades because it's common enough to catch lots of people but not universal. They know most people won't start over once they've put in all their information, so they'll just pay the fee.

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Oliver Schulz

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That's so messed up. Do they specifically target certain demographics or age groups with these tactics? Seems like they're deliberately going after younger people with student loans who might not know better.

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Caesar Grant

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This is exactly why I switched to preparing my taxes by hand using the actual IRS forms. I know it sounds intimidating, but for simple situations like yours (W-2 + student loan interest), it's really not that complicated and takes maybe 2-3 hours max. The IRS provides free fillable forms on their website, and there are tons of YouTube tutorials walking through each line. Once you do it once, you'll never have to deal with these predatory "free" software traps again. Plus you actually learn what's happening with your taxes instead of just clicking through screens. I used to get hit with the same upgrade prompts every year until I just said screw it and learned to do it myself. Haven't paid a dime for tax prep in 5 years now, and I actually understand my return instead of just trusting some software.

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I've been thinking about doing this too, especially after all these bait-and-switch experiences. How do you handle the math verification though? I'm always paranoid I'll make a calculation error and get audited or owe penalties. Do the IRS fillable forms have built-in error checking, or do you just double-check everything manually? Also, what happens if you realize you made a mistake after filing - is it harder to fix when you've done it by hand versus through software?

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Ella Lewis

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Based on my experience with app-based rewards programs, here are a few key considerations that might help: First, the classification really depends on how users earn points. If it's purely gameplay without purchases, the IRS typically views this as prizes/winnings rather than rebates. This means you'd likely need 1099-MISC forms for gift cards over $600 per user per year. However, there are some strategies to consider: - Keep individual gift card values under $600 annually per user to avoid reporting thresholds - Offer multiple smaller redemption options rather than large gift cards - Consider implementing a purchase-based component to your point system (even small in-app purchases) to help classify some rewards as rebates One thing that's often overlooked is the timing of when you report the gift card value - it's typically when the gift card is issued, not when it's redeemed by the user. I'd strongly recommend getting specific guidance for your exact program structure, as the details really matter here. The distinction between entertainment, loyalty rewards, and prizes can significantly impact your reporting obligations. Also worth noting - if you're handling this correctly from the start, the compliance burden isn't as scary as it initially seems. Many successful apps have navigated these requirements without losing users.

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This is really helpful, especially the point about timing - I hadn't considered that it's when the gift card is issued rather than redeemed. That could actually work in my favor since users might accumulate points for a while before redeeming. The multiple smaller redemption options is a smart approach too. Instead of offering a $50 gift card, I could offer five $10 options throughout the year to the same user and stay under the reporting threshold. One follow-up question - you mentioned implementing a purchase-based component. If my app is currently free-to-play but I added optional cosmetic purchases, would points earned from those purchases be treated differently than points earned from just playing? Could I potentially have a hybrid system where some rewards are rebates and others are prizes?

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Josef Tearle

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Yes, you absolutely can have a hybrid system! The IRS would evaluate each type of reward separately based on how it was earned. Points earned from cosmetic purchases would likely qualify as rebates/loyalty rewards (similar to credit card cashback), while points earned from gameplay would still be considered prizes/winnings. This means you'd have two different buckets for tax purposes: 1. Purchase-based rewards: Generally non-taxable to users, minimal reporting requirements 2. Gameplay rewards: Potentially taxable income to users, 1099-MISC required if over $600/year The key is maintaining clear records of how each point was earned and ensuring your terms of service explicitly distinguish between the two types. You'd track gift card redemptions separately - if someone redeems a $50 gift card using 30% purchase-earned points and 70% gameplay-earned points, you'd only need to report the $35 portion (70%) as taxable winnings. This hybrid approach could significantly reduce your reporting burden while still allowing you to reward active players. Just make sure your point system clearly identifies the source of each point when users earn them.

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Omar Hassan

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This is such a valuable discussion! I'm dealing with a similar situation with my recipe app that rewards users for sharing recipes and completing cooking challenges. One thing I learned from my accountant that might be helpful - the IRS Publication 525 has specific guidance on prizes and awards that applies to app-based rewards. It clarifies that if users are performing services (like content creation, reviews, or even just engagement activities), those rewards are generally considered compensation rather than prizes. For my app, I ended up structuring it so that recipe sharing and reviews earn "service-based" points (treated as compensation), while random daily login bonuses are treated as promotional prizes. The compensation portion requires more careful tracking, but it actually gives users more clarity about the tax implications. Also, don't forget about state tax considerations - some states have different thresholds or requirements for prize/reward reporting that might be lower than federal requirements. The hybrid approach mentioned above is really smart. Having that purchase-based component, even if it's small, can significantly simplify your compliance picture for at least part of your rewards program.

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Thanks for bringing up Publication 525 and the service vs. prize distinction - that's a really important point I hadn't fully considered! The idea that content creation activities like recipe sharing could be treated as compensation rather than prizes makes a lot of sense. Your state tax point is crucial too. I've been so focused on federal requirements that I completely overlooked that some states might have lower reporting thresholds. That could really catch someone off guard if they structure their program to stay under the $600 federal limit but accidentally trigger state reporting at a lower amount. The service-based vs. promotional prize structure you described sounds like a smart way to handle different types of user activities. For an app like mine, I could potentially classify tutorial completion or feedback submission as service-based compensation, while daily login streaks or random achievements stay as promotional prizes. Do you happen to know if there are any specific states with notably lower thresholds that app developers should be especially aware of? I want to make sure I'm not accidentally creating compliance issues in certain jurisdictions.

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As someone who's been through this exact dilemma, I'd recommend starting with TurboTax for your situation. With $14,500 in side business income, you're not in the complexity range where a CPA becomes essential unless you have very specific circumstances. The key is being honest about your comfort level with tax software and the time you're willing to invest. TurboTax's interview process for Schedule C (business income) is quite thorough - it'll ask about common deductions like materials, shipping, home office use, etc. Since you have a spreadsheet of expenses already, you're ahead of many small business owners. That said, consider these red flags that might push you toward a CPA: if your business expenses are over 50% of your income, if you're claiming significant home office deductions, or if you have complex inventory accounting needs. For handmade items sold online, these usually aren't major concerns. One middle-ground approach: do a dry run with TurboTax to see what your refund/payment looks like, then decide if you want professional review before actually filing. The $375 vs $119 difference might be worth it for peace of mind, but it's not necessarily required for accuracy in your situation.

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Dyllan Nantx

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This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the "dry run" approach you mentioned. Can you actually complete everything in TurboTax to see your refund amount without officially filing? I'd love to compare what TurboTax calculates versus what a CPA might find before committing to either option. Also, when you mention the 50% expense ratio as a red flag - is that something that automatically triggers an audit, or just something that makes the IRS take a closer look? My craft supply costs were pretty high when I was getting started, so I'm wondering if I should be concerned.

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Yes, you can absolutely do a complete dry run in TurboTax! You can enter all your information, review the calculations, and see your estimated refund/payment without actually submitting to the IRS. This is a great strategy - I've done it myself when comparing options. Regarding the 50% expense ratio - it's not an automatic audit trigger, but it does increase the likelihood of IRS scrutiny, especially for newer businesses. The IRS uses computer algorithms that flag returns with unusual patterns, and very high expense ratios (particularly in creative/craft businesses) can be one of those patterns. For craft businesses specifically, high supply costs in the first year are actually pretty normal and defensible - you're building inventory, buying equipment, etc. The key is having good documentation. If you can show receipts for materials, tools, and supplies that directly relate to your business, you should be fine even with higher expense ratios. Just make sure you're not mixing personal craft projects with business expenses. The IRS understands that new businesses often have higher startup costs relative to income in their early years. As long as your expenses are legitimate and properly documented, don't let the percentage alone scare you away from claiming valid deductions.

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Mei-Ling Chen

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I went through this exact decision last year when my Etsy shop hit $18k in revenue. After agonizing over it for weeks, I ended up going with TurboTax and honestly wish I had just paid for the CPA from the start. Don't get me wrong - TurboTax handled the basics fine. It walked me through Schedule C, asked about common deductions, and the math was correct. But I realized afterward that I probably missed some nuanced deductions that a tax professional would have caught. Things like the Section 199A small business deduction calculation, optimal timing for equipment purchases, and whether I should elect to expense or depreciate some of my bigger tool purchases. The real kicker was when I got a letter from the IRS three months later asking for clarification on how I calculated my home office deduction. Nothing major, just wanted documentation, but it stressed me out for weeks. A CPA would have known exactly how to handle that calculation to avoid questions. For your $14,500 income level, you're probably fine with either option, but if you're the type of person who loses sleep over tax stuff (like me), the extra $256 for professional peace of mind might be worth it. Plus, a good CPA can help you set up better systems for next year's taxes.

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Paolo Ricci

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I'm so glad I found this thread! I've been having the exact same anxiety about my SMLLC W-9 forms. I've been putting my LLC name on line 1 with my EIN for about 4 years now, and when I saw the updated language on the 2024 W-9 form, I started panicking that I'd been doing everything wrong. Reading through everyone's experiences here has been incredibly helpful and reassuring. It's clear that this is a super common issue among Single Member LLC owners - we all seem to naturally want to put our business name first because it feels more professional and legitimate. The explanation about "disregarded entities" finally makes sense to me. I never really understood why my LLC income had to go on my personal Schedule C instead of a separate business return, but now I get it - the IRS essentially looks through the LLC wrapper to see me as the individual taxpayer. I'm definitely going to update my W-9 template going forward with my personal name on line 1, LLC name on line 2, and continue using my EIN (which sounds like I was doing right all along). The fact that so many people have confirmed you don't need to go back and fix old forms as long as you've been reporting income properly on Schedule C is such a relief. Thanks to everyone who shared their stories - it's amazing how this one seemingly simple form can cause so much confusion, but it's comforting to know we're all figuring it out together!

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I'm so relieved to find this discussion! As someone new to the SMLLC world, I was completely confused about the W-9 requirements. I just started my consulting business last year and got my EIN specifically to avoid sharing my SSN with clients, but then when I went to fill out my first W-9, I wasn't sure whether to use my personal name or business name. Reading through everyone's experiences here has been incredibly educational. The "disregarded entity" concept is something I definitely didn't understand when I first set up my LLC. I thought having an LLC meant I was operating as a separate business entity for everything, but now I see that it's really just for liability protection while tax-wise the IRS treats it as if it doesn't exist. It's actually reassuring to know that so many experienced SMLLC owners went through this same confusion. Makes me feel less like I should have known better! I'm going to set up my W-9 template correctly from the start - personal name on line 1, LLC name on line 2, and my EIN for the tax ID. Thanks to everyone for sharing their knowledge and experiences!

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Giovanni Gallo

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I've been running my SMLLC for about 6 years and went through this exact same confusion! What really helped me was understanding that there's a difference between what your LLC does for you legally versus tax-wise. Your LLC absolutely provides you with liability protection and helps establish your business as a separate legal entity in your state. But for federal tax purposes, the IRS treats Single Member LLCs as "disregarded entities" - meaning they essentially ignore the LLC wrapper and treat all the business income as belonging directly to you personally. That's why the W-9 format seems backwards - you'd think putting your business name first would make more sense, but the IRS wants to see the actual taxpayer (you) on line 1 since that's who will be filing the tax return and paying the taxes. The good news is you've been doing the most important part correctly by using your EIN instead of your SSN! That's exactly what an EIN is designed for - protecting your personal information while still providing the necessary tax identification. Going forward, just update your W-9 template to show your personal name on line 1, LLC name on line 2, and keep using that EIN. Don't stress about past forms - as long as you've been reporting all income properly on Schedule C and using your EIN consistently, you're in good shape. The IRS matching system can connect the dots even if the formatting wasn't perfect before.

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Nia Wilson

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This is such a helpful explanation! I'm just starting out with my SMLLC and was completely overwhelmed by all the conflicting information I found online about W-9 forms. Your breakdown of the legal protection vs. tax treatment really clarifies why the format seems so counterintuitive at first. I think what confused me most was that I went through all this effort to create a separate business entity, get an EIN, register with my state, etc., and then the IRS basically says "we're going to pretend your LLC doesn't exist for tax purposes." But understanding that it's still providing me liability protection while just being transparent for taxes makes it make sense. I'm definitely going to set up my W-9 template correctly from the start - personal name on line 1, LLC on line 2, and use my shiny new EIN. It's really reassuring to hear from so many experienced SMLLC owners that this confusion is totally normal and that the EIN consistency is the most important factor. Thanks for taking the time to explain this so clearly!

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I went through something similar bringing electronics from South Korea to Vietnam last year. One thing I learned the hard way is that Indonesia actually has pretty strict rules about bringing in multiple identical items - they have specific guidelines that flag anything that looks like it's for commercial resale rather than personal use. For your Dyson situation, you'll definitely want to check Indonesia's import regulations on beauty electronics. They classify hair styling tools under a specific tariff code that can attract luxury taxes on top of regular duties. The total could easily hit 40-50% of your purchase value. My suggestion would be to contact the Indonesian customs office directly before your trip to get the exact calculation. They have a pre-clearance system where you can declare items in advance and get confirmation of the exact fees. This prevents any surprises or disputes at the airport. Also keep all your original receipts and consider getting them translated into Indonesian - it speeds up the process significantly. The key is being completely transparent about your intentions. If you're planning to resell, declare it as commercial import rather than trying to pass it off as personal use.

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Alicia Stern

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This is really comprehensive advice! I had no idea Indonesia had a pre-clearance system - that sounds like it could save a lot of headache at the airport. Do you know if this pre-clearance service is available online or do you have to visit their office in person? And roughly how long does the process take? I'm trying to plan my timeline for the trip and want to make sure I get everything sorted well in advance.

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Dominic Green

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The pre-clearance system is available online through Indonesia's National Single Window (NSW) portal. You'll need to create an account and submit your declaration along with scanned copies of receipts and product specifications. The process typically takes 3-5 business days for approval, but I'd recommend starting it at least 2 weeks before your trip to account for any additional documentation they might request. You'll get a reference number that you present at customs along with your printed approval - it makes the whole airport process much smoother since they already have your case in their system.

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Connor O'Neill

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I actually work for a customs brokerage firm and deal with Indonesia-Taiwan trade regularly. Just want to add a few important points that might help: First, Indonesia has been cracking down hard on undeclared commercial imports this year. They've installed new AI-powered screening systems at major airports that flag passengers carrying multiple identical high-value items. The system cross-references your travel history, so if you've made similar trips before, you're more likely to get pulled aside for inspection. Second, for Dyson products specifically, Indonesia classifies them under HS code 8516.32 (hair styling appliances) which carries a 15% import duty PLUS 11% VAT PLUS up to 20% luxury tax if the unit value exceeds $200 USD. So you're looking at potentially 46% total taxation before any "handling fees" at the airport. My honest recommendation? If this is truly for resale, consider going through proper import channels with a registered business. The penalties for commercial importing under tourist declarations can include confiscation of goods plus fines up to 500% of the item value. It's just not worth the risk for the relatively small profit margin you'd have left after paying duties anyway. Happy to answer any specific questions about the import process if you decide to go the legitimate route.

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Aisha Hussain

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This is incredibly helpful insight from someone who actually works in this field! The AI screening system detail is particularly concerning - I had no idea Indonesia had implemented that technology. Quick question: when you mention going through "proper import channels with a registered business," what's the minimum viable setup for something like this? Would I need to establish a full Indonesian business entity, or are there simpler options for small-scale importing? Also, do you know if the 500% penalty applies even for first-time offenses, or is there usually some leniency for people who genuinely didn't understand the regulations?

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