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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the importance of understanding FIFO vs specific identification for your crypto transactions. Most exchanges default to FIFO (first in, first out), but you can actually choose specific identification to optimize your tax situation. If you've been buying crypto at different price points throughout the year, you might want to identify which specific coins you're selling to minimize your gains. For example, if you bought Bitcoin at $30K, $40K, and $50K, and it's now worth $60K, you could choose to sell the ones you bought at $50K first to minimize your taxable gain. This becomes especially important when you're trying to offset with stock losses. You want to make sure you're not creating unnecessary tax liability by accidentally selling your lowest cost basis crypto first. Just make sure to document your specific identification choices clearly - the IRS requires you to identify the specific units you're selling by the settlement date of the sale. Most crypto tax software can help you optimize this automatically, but it's good to understand the concept so you can make informed decisions about your trading strategy going forward.
This is such an important point that I wish I had known about earlier! I've been using FIFO by default on Coinbase and just realized I've probably been paying more taxes than necessary. Quick question - if I want to switch to specific identification method, do I need to make that election for the entire year or can I do it on a transaction-by-transaction basis? Also, once I choose specific identification for a particular crypto, am I locked into that method for all future sales of that same cryptocurrency? I'm definitely going to look into crypto tax software now. The idea of optimizing which specific units I sell to minimize gains while maximizing the benefit of my stock losses sounds like it could save me a significant amount. Thanks for bringing this up - it's exactly the kind of detail that makes a huge difference but isn't obvious to newcomers like me!
@891f4ac26687 Great explanation of specific identification! To answer @7527601be0e6's question - you can actually make the election on a transaction-by-transaction basis, which gives you maximum flexibility. You're not locked into one method for all sales of the same cryptocurrency. However, you do need to make the specific identification by the settlement date of each sale (not when you file your taxes), so it requires more active management of your trades. Most people either stick with FIFO for simplicity or use crypto tax software that can automatically optimize the selection based on your tax situation. The key thing is being consistent with your record-keeping. If you claim specific identification on your tax return, you need to have documentation showing exactly which units you sold for each transaction. This is where having good tracking becomes crucial - the IRS can ask for this documentation in an audit. For someone like @76edea107492 (the original poster) who's dealing with both crypto gains and stock losses, using specific ID could help minimize the crypto gains that need to be offset, potentially preserving more stock losses for future use or ordinary income deductions.
Just want to add one more consideration that hasn't been mentioned - make sure you're thinking about state taxes too! While federal treatment of crypto/stock offsetting is pretty straightforward (as others have explained well), some states have different rules or don't recognize crypto losses the same way. I'm in California and learned this the hard way last year. The state generally follows federal treatment, but there can be subtle differences in how they handle certain transactions. Some states don't have capital gains taxes at all, which obviously simplifies things, but others might have specific crypto reporting requirements. Also, since you mentioned this is your first year with significant crypto activity, you might want to consider setting aside a portion of any net gains for estimated tax payments. Even though your losses might offset most gains federally, you could still owe state taxes depending on where you live. Definitely recommend checking with a tax professional familiar with crypto in your specific state, especially given the amounts you're dealing with ($24K+ is significant enough to warrant some professional guidance). Better to spend a few hundred on proper advice now than deal with penalties or missed opportunities later!
This is such a crucial point about state taxes that I completely overlooked! I'm actually in New York and had no idea that states might handle crypto differently than federal. That's definitely something I need to research before I get too far into planning. The estimated tax payment advice is really smart too. Even if I break even federally, I could still end up owing state taxes on the crypto gains. I've never had to deal with estimated payments before since I'm usually just a W-2 employee, but with this level of trading activity I should probably start thinking like someone with investment income. Do you happen to know if there are any good resources for checking state-specific crypto tax rules? I'd rather figure this out now than be surprised at filing time. And you're absolutely right about getting professional help - $24K in gains is definitely enough to justify paying for proper advice, especially for my first year dealing with significant crypto transactions. Thanks for bringing up this angle - it's exactly the kind of thing that could have blindsided me!
I completely understand that anxiety! I went through this same situation about 18 months ago and the waiting was definitely the worst part. In my case, it turned out they needed verification of my child tax credit - specifically proof that my son lived with me for more than half the year since we had a custody arrangement change mid-year. A few practical tips while you wait: First, make sure your address is current in your IRS online account - these letters need to reach you! Second, start gathering common documents they might ask for (W-2s, 1098s if you have education expenses, Social Security cards for dependents, etc.) so you're ready to respond quickly when the letter arrives. The letter will be much more specific than that generic online message. Mine was actually pretty straightforward once I got it - they just wanted a copy of the custody decree and my son's school enrollment records. Sent everything certified mail and had my refund processed within 3 weeks. Your military attention to detail is actually a huge advantage here! You probably have better documentation than most taxpayers. Try not to stress too much until you see what they're specifically asking for - it's often something much simpler than we imagine while we're waiting in uncertainty.
Thank you for this! The custody situation example is really helpful to understand the level of detail they might need. I'm definitely going to start gathering those common documents you mentioned - better to have them ready than scrambling later. It's reassuring to know that even complex situations like custody arrangements can be resolved relatively quickly once you provide what they're asking for. I'll check my IRS online account today to verify my address. Really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences - it's making this whole process feel much more manageable!
This thread has been incredibly helpful! As someone who just received this same message yesterday, I was definitely starting to panic. Reading everyone's experiences has really put things in perspective - it sounds like this is much more routine than it initially appears. I'm particularly grateful for the advice about checking my address in my IRS online account and having common documents ready. Like many of you mentioned, my military background means I probably have everything organized already, but it's good to know what categories to focus on (W-2s, dependent documentation, education credits, etc.). The timeline everyone's shared is really reassuring too - seems like most people got their letters within 2-3 weeks and had everything resolved within a month of responding. I'll definitely be sending my response via certified mail when the time comes. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this community is amazing for helping newcomers navigate these stressful situations!
Welcome to the club! I just got the same message three days ago and found this thread while frantically googling at 2 AM. It's amazing how that generic "we need more information" message can send you into a spiral of wondering what you possibly could have done wrong. Reading through everyone's experiences here has been such a relief - it really does seem like this is just their standard verification process rather than a sign that something's actually wrong with our returns. I'm definitely taking the advice about getting my documents organized and checking my address online. Here's hoping we both get straightforward requests when those letters arrive!
Great question! As someone who works in payroll processing, I can clarify this for you. The key thing to understand is that YTD calculations are based on pay periods worked, not payment dates or number of checks received. Since you're paid semi-monthly with a $68,000 annual salary, you have 24 pay periods per year at $2,833.33 each. Your pay period of 5/7-5/21 means you completed work through May 21st, which would be your 10th pay period of the year (assuming you started January 1st). So your YTD of $28,333.30 is correct: 10 pay periods Γ $2,833.33 = $28,333.30. The reason your calculation of 9 paychecks was off is because you were counting physical paychecks received rather than pay periods completed. There's often a delay between when a pay period ends and when you receive the actual payment, but YTD reflects earnings through the end of the pay period, regardless of when the check is issued. This is an important distinction for tax purposes since your W-2 will reflect earnings based on pay periods worked during the calendar year, not when payments were actually received.
This is exactly the kind of real-world explanation I needed! I really appreciate you breaking down the difference between pay periods worked vs. paychecks received - that distinction makes everything click into place. One follow-up question: if I were to start a job mid-year (say in March), would the YTD calculation still be based on calendar year (January 1st) or would it start from my actual start date? I'm wondering how this would affect tax calculations and W-2 reporting. Also, do you have any recommendations for tracking this stuff as a student? I want to make sure I'm building good habits for understanding payroll before I graduate.
Great questions! If you start a job mid-year, your YTD calculation would still be based on the calendar year (January 1st), but it would only include earnings from your actual start date forward. So if you started in March, your first paystub would show a YTD amount equal to just that first paycheck, and it would build from there. Your W-2 at year-end would only reflect earnings from March through December. For tracking as a student, I'd recommend creating a simple Excel spreadsheet with columns for: pay period dates, gross pay, federal tax withheld, state tax, other deductions, and net pay. Then add a running YTD calculation column for each category. This will help you spot any discrepancies immediately and give you hands-on experience with payroll accounting principles. Also, save all your paystubs (digital copies are fine) and compare your final paystub of the year to your W-2 when you receive it. They should match exactly, and understanding why they do (or catching when they don't) is a valuable skill in finance.
As someone who processes payroll for a living, I want to emphasize something that often gets overlooked in YTD discussions: make sure you're looking at the right YTD column on your paystub! Most payroll systems have multiple YTD calculations - YTD Gross, YTD Taxable Wages, YTD Social Security Wages, etc. Each can be different depending on your pre-tax deductions. For example, if you contribute to a 401(k) or pay health insurance premiums pre-tax, your YTD Taxable Wages will be lower than your YTD Gross by the amount of those pre-tax deductions. This is completely normal and actually beneficial since you're reducing your taxable income. When doing your manual calculations to verify accuracy, make sure you're comparing apples to apples. If you want to verify YTD Gross, multiply your gross pay per period by the number of periods worked. If you want to verify YTD Taxable Wages, you'll need to account for any pre-tax deductions that have been taken out. Also, keep an eye out for any one-time payments like bonuses, expense reimbursements, or corrections from previous pay periods - these will affect your YTD totals but won't follow the regular pattern of your base salary calculations.
This is such valuable insight! I never realized there could be multiple YTD columns with different purposes. I just looked at my most recent paystub and you're absolutely right - I have YTD Gross at $28,333.30 but YTD Taxable Wages at $26,800.15. The difference is exactly my 401k contributions and health insurance premiums that are taken out pre-tax. This explains why some online calculators were giving me different numbers - they were probably calculating based on taxable wages rather than gross wages. As someone new to understanding payroll, should I be focusing more on the YTD Gross or YTD Taxable Wages when trying to verify my calculations? And is there a good rule of thumb for catching errors before they become bigger problems?
Another option if your employer went out of business - check if they filed for bankruptcy. The bankruptcy court records might have copies of employee records including W-2s. You can search the PACER system (pacer.gov) for their case. Also worth checking with your state's Department of Labor as they sometimes require businesses to file final wage reports even when closing.
If you're still having trouble getting your control number, you might want to try Form 4506-T to request a wage and income transcript directly from the IRS. It's free and shows all the income reported to them for a tax year, including the control numbers from your W-2s and 1099s. Takes about 5-10 business days if you mail it in, or you can sometimes get it immediately online if you can verify your identity through their system. Way more reliable than trying to call them right now.
This is exactly what I needed! Form 4506-T sounds way easier than all the other suggestions. Do you know if there's any fee for the online version or is that free too?
Avery Saint
This confusion happens every tax season! "Payment Completed" in TurboTax literally just means they successfully charged you for their tax prep service - it has zero connection to your actual IRS refund status. Think of it this way: TurboTax is like a middleman who prepared your paperwork and submitted it. Once they get paid and file your return, their job is done and their system shows "payment completed." Your actual refund comes directly from the IRS treasury, not TurboTax. The IRS Where's My Refund tool showing only the first bar means they received your return but haven't finished processing it yet. Given you filed in early February and it's now March, you're well within normal processing times. The IRS has been taking 6-8 weeks for most returns this year. Stop checking TurboTax for refund updates - they literally don't have that information after they submit your return!
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Freya Ross
β’This is exactly what I needed to hear! I've been checking TurboTax multiple times a day thinking something was wrong with my filing. It makes perfect sense now that "Payment Completed" is just about their service fee, not my refund. I filed around the same time in February and was getting worried seeing everyone else get their refunds already. Thanks for breaking down the timeline expectations too - 6-8 weeks puts me right on track for getting mine soon. Definitely switching to just checking the IRS tool from now on!
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Adriana Cohn
I went through this exact same confusion two months ago! "Payment Completed" in TurboTax is just confirming they received payment for their tax prep services - it has absolutely nothing to do with your refund status. I made the mistake of refreshing that TurboTax page dozens of times thinking it would somehow update with my refund info. It won't! Once TurboTax submits your return to the IRS, they're essentially out of the loop. The IRS processes everything independently from that point forward. Since you filed in early February and it's March now, you're actually right in the normal processing window. The IRS has been taking 6-8 weeks for most returns this season due to increased security checks. My advice: bookmark the official IRS Where's My Refund tool and check that maybe once a week max. The first bar just means "received and processing" - totally normal. Your refund will come directly from the US Treasury when the IRS finishes their review, and TurboTax's status page will still probably show "Payment Completed" even after you get your money!
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Malik Johnson
β’Thank you for this detailed explanation! I'm a newcomer here and was actually experiencing the exact same confusion with TurboTax's "Payment Completed" status. I filed my return about 3 weeks ago and have been obsessively checking that TurboTax page thinking it would somehow magically update with my refund progress. Your breakdown about TurboTax being "out of the loop" after submission makes total sense - they're just the messenger, not the one actually processing or sending the refund. I had no idea the IRS was taking 6-8 weeks this season! That actually makes me feel much better about my timeline. Going to bookmark that IRS tool and stop driving myself crazy with the TurboTax page refreshing. Really appreciate you taking the time to explain this so clearly for those of us new to navigating this process!
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