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I'm dealing with a similar inherited stock situation and this thread has been incredibly helpful! One thing I'd add from my recent experience is to check if your current UTMA custodian has any historical cost basis records they can provide before you transfer. Even if they don't have complete information for pre-2011 holdings, they might have some documentation that could save you research time. Also, when you're gathering all the spinoff allocation information, make sure to note the exact dates of each distribution. The IRS can be particular about using the correct valuation dates, especially for inherited securities where the stepped-up basis calculation is involved. Having precise dates will help if you need to look up historical stock prices for any manual calculations. Good luck with the transfer process - it sounds like you're getting great advice here about the various resources available to help with these complex basis calculations!
This is such great advice about checking with the UTMA custodian first! I'm new to dealing with inherited stock issues, but reading through this entire thread has been really educational. It's amazing how complex something that seems straightforward can become when you factor in decades of corporate actions. I'm curious - for those of you who have been through this process, how long did it typically take from start to finish to get all the cost basis information sorted out and complete the transfer? I'm trying to set realistic expectations for myself since it sounds like there might be multiple steps involving different organizations and potentially some waiting for documentation. Also, the point about precise dates is really important. I hadn't thought about how the exact timing could affect valuations, especially for inherited securities. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Based on my experience helping clients with similar inherited stock situations, I'd estimate the entire process typically takes 4-8 weeks from start to finish, depending on how responsive the various parties are. Here's what you can generally expect: Week 1-2: Gathering documentation from your current custodian and requesting corporate action information from the companies involved. This is usually the fastest part. Week 2-4: Waiting for historical documents like Form 8937s and allocation statements. Some companies respond quickly, others can take 2-3 weeks. If you need to use services like the ones mentioned earlier in this thread, this is when you'd typically get results. Week 4-6: Calculating cost basis allocations and preparing transfer paperwork. If you're doing manual calculations, this can take longer. If using professional help or automated tools, it's much faster. Week 6-8: Completing the actual transfer to your new brokerage and ensuring all cost basis information transfers correctly. One tip that can speed things up: start gathering documentation even before you decide which brokerage to transfer to. You can request historical corporate action information and Form 8937s while you're still researching brokers. The documentation process is often the biggest bottleneck, so getting that started early can save weeks. Also, consider calling ahead to your target brokerage to discuss their process for handling complex inherited stock transfers. Some have specialized teams that can walk you through exactly what documentation they'll need, which prevents delays from missing paperwork.
Former H&R Block employee here. The price difference exists because the downloadable version (sold on Amazon) and the online version are technically different products with different target customers. The downloadable version is cheaper because it's designed for people who use the same tax software year after year and are comfortable with tax prep. It also doesn't include all the hand-holding and live help features. The online version charges more because it includes more interactive guidance, the ability to start on one device and continue on another, and usually some form of support. They're essentially charging for convenience.
Does the Amazon version include the ability to import last year's return if I used H&R Block online last year? Or would I have to manually enter everything again?
If you used H&R Block online last year, you'll need to manually export your previous return from the online account first, then import it into the desktop software. It's not automatic like it would be if you stayed within the same ecosystem. The process isn't difficult, but it's an extra step. You'll need to download a PDF of last year's return from your online account, then use the import feature in the desktop version. Just be aware that some information might not transfer perfectly and may need manual correction.
One major difference nobody's mentioned yet is that the website version of H&R Block regularly updates throughout tax season if tax laws change. With the Amazon download version, you might need to manually check for and install updates. This became a big issue during COVID when tax laws were changing rapidly and some people using downloaded software missed some benefits because they didn't update.
Wow that's a really good point. If I buy the Amazon version, how would I know if there's an update I need to install? Do they email you or something?
Your analysis is absolutely correct, and frankly, your professor's interpretation is concerning from a professional standards perspective. As someone who's dealt with numerous IRS audits involving meal deductions, I can tell you that the position your professor is advocating would not hold up under scrutiny. The "ordinary and necessary" test from Section 162 requires BOTH elements to be met. While eating might be "ordinary" for humans, personal meals during work hours are not "necessary" business expenses - they're personal living expenses that happen to occur during business hours. The IRS has consistently ruled that personal consumption expenses remain personal regardless of when they occur. If your professor's logic were correct, every employee could deduct lunch because "eating is necessary to work." The fact that someone is an independent contractor doesn't magically transform personal expenses into business deductions. I'd suggest your professor review Revenue Ruling 59-307 and the Tax Court case of Haft (T.C. Memo 1972-140), which specifically addressed similar meal deduction claims by delivery workers. The courts have been very clear on this issue. Your research methodology and conclusion demonstrate much better understanding of tax law than what your professor is teaching. Don't let credentials intimidate you when the law is clearly on your side.
This is really eye-opening as someone new to tax law! I'm just starting to understand these concepts, but it seems like there's a clear distinction between what feels like it should be deductible versus what actually is according to the IRS. The cases you mentioned (Revenue Ruling 59-307 and Haft) - are these the kind of precedents that definitively settle questions like this? It's concerning that even experienced professionals can misinterpret these rules. How common is it for tax preparers to make mistakes on meal deductions?
As a newcomer trying to understand these tax rules, this thread has been incredibly educational! I'm just starting out with some freelance work and was completely confused about what I could and couldn't deduct. The distinction everyone is making between personal expenses that happen during work hours versus actual business expenses makes so much sense now. I was initially thinking like the professor - that if I'm working, everything I spend should be deductible somehow. But reading through the explanations about Revenue Ruling 59-307 and the "ordinary and necessary" test really clarifies things. It's actually kind of scary that even experienced tax professionals can get this wrong. Makes me realize I really need to do my homework and not just assume someone with credentials automatically knows the right answer. The resources mentioned here (Publications 535 and 463) seem like essential reading for anyone doing independent contractor work. Thanks to everyone who shared their knowledge - this is exactly the kind of practical tax education that's hard to find elsewhere!
Welcome to the world of tax law - it's definitely a learning curve! You're absolutely right to be cautious about assumptions, even with credentialed professionals. One thing that really helped me when I started doing freelance work was keeping detailed records of WHY I made each expense, not just what I spent money on. For example, I started writing brief notes on receipts like "client meeting at Starbucks with John Smith re: project proposal" versus just "coffee." That way, when tax time comes, I can clearly distinguish between business meals (deductible) and personal meals that happened to occur during work hours (not deductible). The IRS loves documentation that shows business purpose, so even if you think an expense might qualify, having that written justification makes all the difference. Publications 535 and 463 are definitely must-reads, but don't be afraid to cross-reference with actual court cases like the ones mentioned here when you're unsure about something!
This is a complex situation that highlights why proper documentation is crucial for professional gambling operations. From a tax compliance perspective, the W2Gs legally belong to whoever's SSN is on the forms - your cousin in this case. However, there are legitimate ways to handle this through proper income attribution. Your cousin will need to report the $83,000 in gambling winnings on his return since the IRS expects to see this income under his SSN. He can then document the transfer of these winnings to you through a formal agreement showing he was acting as your agent. A few critical points to consider: 1. Any federal withholding (typically 24% on jackpots over $5,000) was credited to your cousin's account, which needs to be factored into both returns 2. You'll want to create a written agreement backdated to before the gambling occurred that establishes your cousin was acting as your agent 3. As a professional gambler filing Schedule C, you can deduct your gambling losses and related business expenses against this income I'd strongly recommend consulting with a tax professional who has experience with gambling income attribution. The documentation needs to be bulletproof if either of you gets audited, and the specific reporting mechanics can be tricky to get right on both returns.
This is really helpful advice, especially the point about the withholding being credited to my cousin's account. I hadn't fully thought through how that would complicate things on both our returns. The backdated agent agreement makes sense too - it establishes the arrangement existed before the winnings occurred rather than looking like we're just trying to shuffle income after the fact. Do you happen to know if there's a specific IRS form or publication that addresses agent relationships for gambling winnings, or is this more of a general tax principle that applies here?
The IRS doesn't have a specific form for gambling agent relationships, but this falls under general tax principles around nominees and agents found in various revenue rulings and court cases. The key is establishing that a genuine agency relationship existed before the gambling occurred, not just a post-hoc arrangement to avoid taxes. For documentation, you'll want to reference the common law agency principles where an agent acts on behalf of a principal. The written agreement should clearly state that your cousin was authorized to gamble with your funds on your behalf, that he had no beneficial interest in the winnings, and that he was obligated to turn over any proceeds to you. Some tax professionals also reference Rev. Rul. 69-144 which deals with nominee situations, though that's more about investment income. The broader principle is that income should be taxed to the person who is the true economic owner, not necessarily the person whose name appears on the tax document. The challenge is that casinos are required to issue W2Gs to the person who physically triggered the jackpot, regardless of whose money was being played. This creates the attribution issue you're dealing with. Proper documentation of the agency relationship is your best defense if questioned.
Be very careful with this situation - I've seen similar cases get messy during IRS audits. The key issue is that W2Gs create a paper trail directly linking income to your cousin's SSN, so any "transfer" arrangement needs to be rock-solid defensible. A few red flags to avoid: - Don't try to create documentation after the fact that looks suspicious - Make sure any agent agreement reflects the actual relationship that existed when the gambling occurred - Consider that if your cousin owes other taxes or has liens, those W2G withholdings might get applied elsewhere One thing many people miss: your cousin may need to file quarterly estimates going forward since the IRS now expects gambling income under his SSN. Even if he transfers the money to you, the withholding timing can create cash flow issues. Also worth noting - if you're truly operating as a professional gambler, you should already have systems in place to avoid these complications. Most pros I know never let others physically trigger jackpots with their money specifically because of these tax attribution nightmares.
This is really solid advice about the potential audit risks and quarterly estimate issues. I hadn't considered that the IRS might now expect ongoing gambling income under my cousin's SSN, which could create problems down the road even after we resolve this year's situation. Your point about professional gamblers having systems to avoid these complications is spot on. I'm definitely learning this lesson the hard way. Going forward, I think I need to either handle all the machines myself or set up a more formal business structure like some others mentioned with the LLC approach. Do you know if there's any way to notify the IRS that my cousin doesn't expect ongoing gambling income in future years, or will he potentially deal with estimated payment issues until his filing history shows otherwise?
Dmitry Volkov
As a newcomer to this community, thank you so much for this incredibly detailed breakdown! I just completed my identity verification on March 18th and was feeling pretty overwhelmed by the "up to 9 weeks" timeline they gave me. Reading through everyone's real experiences here is so much more helpful than the vague official IRS information. It's really encouraging to see that most people are getting their refunds in the 4-6 week range rather than the full 9 weeks, and your step-by-step explanation of what actually happens during the process makes the wait feel much more manageable. My verification was for what they called "routine identity verification" - no specific issues mentioned with my return. Based on what others have shared here, I'm optimistic that puts me in the faster processing timeline. I'm definitely going to follow the advice about setting up bank account alerts after week 4 instead of obsessively checking WMR and transcripts. It sounds like those tools aren't very reliable for post-verification tracking anyway, and I love that several people mentioned their refunds just appeared without warning. One thing I'm wondering about - has anyone noticed if the time you call to verify (like morning vs afternoon) makes any difference in how quickly they process your case? I completed mine around 2 PM on a Tuesday and I'm probably overthinking it, but curious if there are any patterns people have noticed. Thanks for creating this thread - it's exactly the kind of real-world information that helps so much during this stressful waiting period!
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Nora Bennett
ā¢Welcome to the community! I'm also brand new here and just completed my verification on March 16th, so we're practically verification twins! Your question about timing during the day is interesting - I hadn't thought about that angle. I completed mine around 10 AM on a Monday and I'm probably overthinking it too, but it's natural to wonder if there are any factors that might help! From what I've been reading through all these shared experiences, it seems like the post-verification processing happens in batches regardless of when during the day you actually completed the verification call. The "routine identity verification" reason you got sounds exactly like what most of us newcomers have been told, and based on everyone's timelines here, that definitely seems to put you in the better 4-6 week category. I'm also planning to follow the bank account monitoring strategy after week 4 - it sounds way less stressful than constantly refreshing WMR and transcripts that apparently don't update reliably anyway. This thread has been such a game-changer for managing expectations and reducing anxiety during this process. Hopefully we'll both be posting our success stories here in about a month!
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Dylan Wright
As a newcomer to this community, this breakdown is incredibly helpful! I just completed my identity verification on March 19th and was feeling really anxious about the "up to 9 weeks" timeline they quoted me. What I find most reassuring from reading everyone's experiences is how the actual timelines are so much more reasonable than the worst-case scenario the IRS initially presents. The 4-6 week range that most people are experiencing gives me so much more realistic expectations. My verification was for what they called "standard identity verification" - the agent said it was routine with no specific issues identified on my return. Based on what others have shared here, I'm hoping that puts me in the faster processing category. I'm definitely going to follow the advice about setting up bank account alerts after week 4 instead of constantly checking WMR and transcripts. It sounds like those tracking tools aren't reliable for post-verification monitoring anyway, and I love hearing that refunds often just appear without any advance warning from the system updates. One question I have - has anyone noticed if completing verification later in the tax season (like mid-March) affects processing times compared to those who verified earlier in February? I'm wondering if the IRS might be less backlogged now or if it doesn't really matter. Thanks for creating this thread and to everyone sharing their real experiences - it's exactly the kind of practical information that helps reduce the stress of not knowing what to expect during this waiting period!
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Nia Harris
ā¢Welcome to the community! I'm also a newcomer here and just completed my verification on March 20th, so we're practically verification neighbors! Your question about timing during tax season is really thoughtful - I've been wondering about seasonal impacts too. From what I've gathered reading through everyone's experiences in this thread, it seems like the IRS processes these post-verification reviews in fairly consistent batches regardless of when during the season you complete verification, but it would be interesting to hear from someone who has data comparing early vs. late season timelines. The "standard identity verification" reason you got sounds identical to what most of us newcomers have been told, and based on all the shared experiences here, that definitely seems to put you in the favorable 4-6 week range rather than the longer processing times for more complex cases. I'm also planning to follow the bank account alert strategy after week 4 - it sounds so much less stressful than obsessively checking WMR and transcripts that apparently don't update reliably anyway. This thread has been absolutely invaluable for understanding what actually happens during this process and managing expectations instead of just being stuck in complete limbo. Hopefully we'll both be posting our success stories here in about a month!
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