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As someone who's dealt with this exact issue multiple times, I can confirm that a $140+ fraction of cents adjustment is definitely not normal and indicates a systematic error somewhere in your calculations. The good news is that you've already identified the root cause by finding the discrepancy in your February deposit ($58,435 vs $58,294.81). Here's what I'd recommend as your next steps: First, go through every single deposit on Schedule B and compare it to your actual EFTPS payment history - don't just spot check. Second, verify that your Schedule B is reporting tax LIABILITY by pay date, not deposit amounts or deposit dates. These are often confused. Third, if you have employees hitting the Social Security wage base ($160,200 for 2023), double-check that withholding stopped at exactly the right amount mid-quarter. The fraction of cents line should only account for rounding differences when you calculate tax liability per employee vs. the aggregate. Once you fix the Schedule B errors, that $140 should disappear almost entirely. Don't submit until you've tracked down every significant discrepancy - the IRS computers will flag unusual adjustments and it's much easier to fix now than deal with correspondence later.

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This is incredibly helpful - thank you for the step-by-step breakdown! I'm definitely going to work through each of these systematically. The distinction between tax liability by pay date vs deposit amounts/dates is something I need to clarify with our accounting team, as I suspect that might be part of our confusion. One quick question: when you say "don't submit until you've tracked down every significant discrepancy" - what would you consider significant? Should I be concerned about differences under $10, or are you talking about larger amounts like the $140+ discrepancy we found?

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GamerGirl99

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For Form 941 purposes, I'd focus on discrepancies over $5-10 per deposit when reviewing Schedule B. Small differences under that amount could be legitimate rounding or timing differences. However, when those small discrepancies add up across multiple pay periods, they can create a larger cumulative error. The key is that your total Schedule B should match your actual tax liability for the quarter, and your deposits should reasonably approximate that liability (within the safe harbor rules). If you're finding multiple discrepancies like that $140+ difference in February, definitely track down each one. A few dollars here and there might be acceptable, but when you're seeing adjustments over $100, it usually means there are several underlying errors that need correction. Also remember that the IRS penalty safe harbors are based on timely deposits of the correct amounts - so getting Schedule B right isn't just about the fraction of cents line, it's about avoiding deposit penalties too.

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Evelyn Kim

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I've been following this thread and wanted to add another potential cause I've encountered - check if your payroll system is handling state unemployment insurance (SUI) wage bases correctly. Some payroll systems incorrectly include SUI adjustments in federal tax calculations, especially when employees hit state-specific wage base limits that differ from federal limits. Also, if you're using a third-party payroll processor, they sometimes make "correcting" entries that don't get properly reflected in your 941 calculations. I'd recommend requesting a detailed payroll tax reconciliation report from them that shows exactly how they calculated each tax component for the quarter. One more thing - make sure you're not double-counting any year-end adjustments or corrections that might have carried over from Q4 of last year. Sometimes accounting departments make manual adjustments that create phantom discrepancies in subsequent quarters.

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Diego Vargas

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This is really valuable insight about the SUI wage base issues - I hadn't considered that our payroll system might be mixing state and federal calculations. We do use ADP for payroll processing, and I'm now wondering if some of their automated adjustments are creating these discrepancies without us realizing it. I'll definitely request that detailed tax reconciliation report you mentioned. Do you know specifically what to ask for from ADP? I want to make sure I get the right report that shows the federal tax calculations broken down by component. Also, your point about year-end adjustments carrying over is interesting - we did have some W-2 corrections from last year that required amended forms. I should check if any of those corrections are somehow affecting this quarter's calculations.

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Liam Murphy

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This thread has been absolutely invaluable! As someone who's been dealing with capital loss carryovers for the first time, I had the exact same misconception as so many others here. I've been carrying forward about $10,500 in losses from some disastrous crypto investments in 2022, and I was completely baffled when TurboTax started applying way more than $3,000 of them this year. Like everyone else, I was convinced there was a software error because I thought the $3,000 limit was a hard cap on ALL capital loss usage each year. I actually spent hours on tax forums trying to figure out if TurboTax was broken! The explanations in this thread - especially understanding that losses first offset capital gains dollar-for-dollar with NO limit, and the $3,000 restriction only applies to losses against ordinary income - have completely revolutionized my understanding. I realize now that I have about $7,500 in capital gains this year from some stocks that finally recovered, so TurboTax is correctly using $7,500 of my carryover losses against those gains, plus allowing the full $3,000 against my regular income. This means I'm using $10,500 of my carryover in just one year - essentially wiping out my entire loss carryover instead of the 3-4 years I was expecting! I had been so worried about "wasting" these losses by having gains, when actually the gains are helping me use them much more efficiently. Thank you to everyone who shared their experiences and knowledge. This community discussion has been better than any tax guide I've read. It's amazing how much clearer these rules become when explained through real examples by people dealing with the same confusion!

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Khalil Urso

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Welcome to the community, Liam! Your story is so similar to what many of us experienced - that moment of panic thinking the tax software was completely broken when it applied way more than $3,000 of carryover losses. I can totally relate to spending hours researching whether there was some kind of error! It's really encouraging to see how this thread has helped so many people understand this rule correctly. Your situation is a perfect example of how the system is actually designed to work efficiently - instead of being stuck with loss carryovers dragging on for years, having some recovery in your investments this year allows you to get the full tax benefit much faster. The fact that you're able to completely exhaust your $10,500 carryover in one year ($7,500 against gains + $3,000 against ordinary income) is actually fantastic for your tax situation. It shows how capital gains and capital losses are meant to work together in the tax system. I think this whole discussion really highlights how confusing tax rules can be when you're trying to figure them out alone, but how much clearer they become when people share their real experiences. Thanks for adding your story to this amazing educational thread - it reinforces just how common this misconception was and how helpful community knowledge sharing can be!

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Diego Rojas

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This entire discussion has been absolutely fantastic! As someone new to both investing and this community, I can't believe how many of us had the exact same misconception about capital loss carryovers. I'm dealing with about $7,200 in losses from some really poor investment timing in 2023, and like everyone else here, I was completely confused when my tax software applied way more than $3,000 of them. I actually called my brother (who's an accountant) in a panic thinking my TurboTax was glitched, and he had to explain the same thing everyone here has been saying - that losses first offset capital gains with no annual limit, and the $3,000 restriction only applies to the portion used against ordinary income like wages. What makes this thread so valuable is seeing so many real examples with actual numbers. It really drives home how this system works in practice. I have about $5,800 in capital gains this year from some tech stocks that finally recovered, so my software is correctly using $5,800 of my loss carryover against those gains, plus the remaining $1,400 against my ordinary income. That completely exhausts my entire carryover in one year! I had been avoiding taking any profits because I thought it would somehow interfere with my loss carryovers, but now I understand that having gains actually helps you use up those carryovers more efficiently. This community is amazing for helping newcomers like me navigate these confusing tax situations. Thank you all for sharing your knowledge so generously!

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Jabari-Jo

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Based on your situation, you're handling this correctly with the sessions method. You should report the $815k in winning sessions as gambling income and deduct the $246k in losing sessions on Schedule A - not your total individual transaction losses of $3.1m. The sessions method requires consistency throughout your entire approach. Since you've calculated your gambling activity using daily sessions (which is the standard approach for online platforms like FanDuel), you must stick with those session totals for both income reporting and loss deductions. A few important considerations for your specific case: 1. **Documentation is critical** - Keep your FanDuel transaction exports, your session calculation spreadsheets, and clear notes on your methodology. Define exactly how you determined each session (likely by calendar day) and apply it consistently. 2. **Tax software limitations** - H&R Block may try to default to reporting your full W-2G amounts. You'll likely need to override this and manually enter your session-calculated figures with proper documentation. 3. **State tax implications** - Double-check how your state handles gambling income. Some states don't recognize the sessions method and may require you to report the full W-2G amounts, which could significantly impact your state tax bill. 4. **Professional review recommended** - Given the substantial amounts involved ($290k federal tax liability), consider having a tax professional who specializes in gambling taxes review your calculations before filing. The upfront cost could save you significant problems if the IRS has questions later. The sessions method is well-established in tax court precedent and is designed to reflect the economic reality of continuous gambling activity. Just ensure your documentation clearly supports your methodology and calculations.

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This is excellent advice, especially about the documentation requirements. I'm new to dealing with gambling taxes at this scale and want to make sure I understand the state tax piece correctly. You mentioned that some states don't recognize the sessions method - is there a resource where I can check my specific state's rules? I'm in New York and want to avoid any surprises when filing my state return. Also, when you say H&R Block might default to the full W-2G amounts, should I be preparing to file manually or can the software handle the override properly with the right documentation attached? One more question - you mentioned having a gambling tax specialist review the calculations. Are there any red flags or common mistakes I should specifically ask them to check for? With $815k in reported gambling income, I want to make sure everything is bulletproof before submitting.

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Mason Lopez

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@Sofia Hernandez For New York specifically, you ll'need to report the full W-2G amounts on your state return regardless of using the sessions method federally. NY doesn t'recognize the sessions method and requires reporting all gambling winnings as shown on W-2G forms, but you can deduct losses up to the amount of winnings on your NY return. Regarding H&R Block, the software can handle the override, but you ll'need to manually enter your session-calculated amounts in the Other "Income section" and attach a detailed statement explaining your methodology. Don t'rely on the automatic W-2G import feature. For a gambling tax specialist review, ask them to specifically check: 1 Consistency) in your session definition methodology throughout the year, 2 Proper) handling of any multi-day tournaments or events, 3 Treatment) of promotional bonuses and free bets, 4 Alignment) between your reported amounts and supporting documentation, and 5 Compliance) with both federal and NY state requirements. Given your substantial gambling income, also ask about estimated tax payment requirements for next year if you plan to continue gambling at similar levels. The IRS may expect quarterly payments based on this year s'activity. The most common mistake I see is inconsistent session definitions - make sure you applied the same rules for determining sessions throughout the entire year, not just when it was beneficial for tax purposes.

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The sessions method approach you're using is definitely the correct way to handle this situation. Your calculation of $815k in winning sessions as reportable income and $246k in losing sessions as your deductible losses is spot-on. What many people miss is that the sessions method isn't just about reducing taxes - it's about accurately reflecting the economic reality of your gambling activity. When you're making continuous bets on FanDuel throughout a day, each individual transaction doesn't represent a complete gambling event. The session as a whole does. A few key points for your situation: **Federal reporting**: Report the $815k as "Other Income" on Schedule 1 and deduct the $246k as gambling losses on Schedule A (subject to itemizing). You cannot mix methodologies by using session income but total transaction losses. **Record keeping**: Make sure you have clear documentation of how you defined each session (most likely by calendar day for online betting) and that you applied this consistently throughout 2023. Keep your FanDuel transaction exports and any spreadsheets showing your calculations. **Software considerations**: Tax software often defaults to W-2G amounts, so you may need to override these entries manually. Include a statement explaining your sessions methodology and reference supporting tax court cases like Mayo v. Commissioner. The $290k federal tax bill you're seeing is based on legitimate gambling income under an accepted methodology. While painful, it's much better than the alternative of reporting the full $2.3m in W-2Gs without proper session accounting. Consider having a tax professional who specializes in gambling taxes review everything before filing, especially given the substantial amounts involved.

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Zara Ahmed

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This is really helpful confirmation of what I've been reading throughout this thread. As someone new to gambling taxes, I was initially overwhelmed by all the conflicting information online, but the consistency of advice here about the sessions method gives me confidence I'm on the right track. One thing I'm still unclear about - when you mention including a statement explaining the sessions methodology, should this be a formal attachment to the return, or just detailed notes kept with my records? I want to make sure the IRS understands I'm using an established methodology rather than trying to manipulate numbers. Also, you mentioned Mayo v. Commissioner as a supporting case. Are there other key court cases I should reference in my documentation? I want to have solid legal backing for my approach in case of an audit. The point about economic reality really resonates with me. Looking at my FanDuel activity, I was essentially gambling continuously throughout most days, making hundreds of small bets. Treating each $5 or $10 bet as a separate gambling event would create a completely distorted picture of my actual gambling behavior and results. Thanks for the guidance on working with a gambling tax specialist - given the amounts involved, the peace of mind seems worth the additional cost.

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I'm in a similar situation - just finished my EMT-B certification last month and was really hoping to deduct those costs too. One thing I discovered is that some volunteer fire departments will cover certification costs if you commit to volunteering for a certain period. Might be worth looking into if you're open to volunteer work while job hunting. Also, keep all your receipts organized anyway - tax laws can change and you never know if there might be future opportunities to claim these expenses retroactively.

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That's really smart advice about the volunteer departments! I hadn't thought about that angle. Do you know if the volunteer commitment affects your ability to get hired full-time elsewhere, or are most departments pretty understanding about volunteer obligations?

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@Dallas Villalobos Great point about keeping receipts! I ve'been told by a few people in the field that some departments actually view volunteer experience as a huge plus when hiring full-time. Shows commitment to the community and gives you real-world experience. Most departments I ve'looked into are pretty flexible about volunteer schedules, especially if you re'upfront about your career goals during the application process.

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Zoe Stavros

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This is frustrating but unfortunately accurate info from Javier. I went through something similar when I got my nursing certifications a few years back - had to pay out of pocket for everything and couldn't deduct any of it. One thing that might help is looking into whether your state offers any tax credits specifically for first responders or healthcare workers. Some states have been adding these in recent years. Also, if you end up working for a municipality or government agency, they sometimes have tuition reimbursement programs that could help with future training costs. Keep pushing forward though - the investment will pay off in the long run even without the tax break!

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Talia Klein

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Wait I'm confused about something. If I'm a substitute teacher working directly for a school district, wouldn't I be a W-2 employee not a 1099 contractor? I subbed last year and got a W-2.

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It depends on how the school district classifies you. Most public school districts treat subs as W-2 employees, but some private schools or tutoring companies might classify you as an independent contractor (1099). The classification isn't just about what they decide to call you - it's based on factors like how much control they have over your work. If they're controlling when, where and how you work, providing training, tools, etc., you SHOULD be classified as an employee regardless of what they call you.

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Margot Quinn

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Great question! As others have mentioned, you should receive a 1099-NEC from the learning center if they paid you $600 or more. But here's something important to keep in mind - the classification itself matters a lot. If the learning center was controlling your schedule, providing lesson plans, telling you exactly how to teach, or treating you like other employees, you might have been misclassified. True independent contractors have more control over how they do their work. This is especially common in education where companies try to avoid paying employment taxes and benefits. If you believe you were misclassified, you can file Form SS-8 with the IRS to get an official determination, or Form 8919 when you file your taxes to pay only the employee portion of Social Security and Medicare taxes instead of the full self-employment tax. This could save you money since self-employment tax is about 15.3% versus 7.65% for employees (the employer pays the other half). Just something to consider as you're navigating this for the first time!

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Aisha Patel

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This is really eye-opening! I had no idea about the misclassification issue. Looking back, the learning center did give me specific curricula to follow and set my schedule pretty rigidly. They also required me to attend training sessions. That sounds more like employee treatment than independent contractor, right? How do I know if it's worth pursuing the SS-8 form? Is there a downside to challenging their classification, especially if I might want to work with them again in the future?

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