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Great question! As someone who went through this exact same confusion last year, I can share what I learned. The key thing to understand is that the mortgage interest deduction only helps if your total itemized deductions exceed the standard deduction. For your situation with a $385k house, you're probably looking at around $15-18k in mortgage interest for the first year (depending on your rate). Add your property taxes (~$5-8k typically for that price range) and you might be getting close to the $29,200 standard deduction threshold for married filing jointly. Here's what I wish someone had told me: Don't rush to adjust your withholding in your first year. Calculate your expected itemized deductions first (mortgage interest + property taxes + charitable donations + any other qualifying expenses) and only adjust withholding if you're confident you'll exceed the standard deduction by a meaningful amount. The mortgage interest deduction is great, but it's not automatic money back - it just reduces your taxable income. And remember, you can always make this calculation again next year when you have actual numbers from your first year of homeownership!
This is exactly the kind of practical advice I was looking for! I'm definitely going to be conservative with any withholding adjustments in our first year. It sounds like with our mortgage interest around $16k and property taxes of $5,400, we might be right on the borderline of whether itemizing makes sense. I think I'll wait to see our actual numbers after the first year before making any major changes to our W-4. Better safe than sorry when it comes to taxes!
I completely understand your confusion - this was one of the most overwhelming aspects of becoming a first-time homeowner for me too! Here's what I've learned after going through this process: The math is actually pretty straightforward once you break it down. For your $385k house with $2,680 monthly payments, you're likely paying around $15-17k in interest during your first year (assuming a rate around 6-7%). Add your property taxes, and you might be looking at around $20-23k in potential itemized deductions before considering charitable contributions or other eligible expenses. Since the 2025 standard deduction for married filing jointly will be around $29,200, you'd need about $6-9k more in deductions to make itemizing worthwhile. This could come from charitable donations, state/local taxes (up to the $10k cap), or medical expenses. My advice: Don't adjust your withholding in year one. Use this first year to collect real data on your mortgage interest (your lender will send you Form 1098), property taxes, and other potential deductions. Then you can make an informed decision about withholding adjustments for year two. The mortgage interest deduction is valuable, but only if it pushes your total itemized deductions above that standard deduction threshold. Take it slow and you'll figure out what works best for your specific situation!
This is really helpful advice! I'm curious though - you mentioned that charitable donations could help push you over the standard deduction threshold. How much do people typically need to donate to make a meaningful difference in this calculation? We do give to our church and a few charities throughout the year, but I've never really tracked it carefully. Should I start keeping better records of all charitable giving now that we're homeowners? Also, when you say "take it slow" - do you mean I shouldn't even consider adjusting withholding until after I file my first tax return as a homeowner? I'm worried about overwithholding and giving the government an interest-free loan, but I'm also scared of underpaying and owing a big chunk at tax time.
Has anyone tried the "two-earner/multiple jobs worksheet" on the W4? My husband and I both work and I feel like we're always owing a ton at tax time despite both claiming "Single" on our W4s.
That worksheet is actually really important if you have two incomes in the household! The problem is that each employer calculates withholding as if that's your only job, so they're both using the standard deduction and lower tax brackets in their calculations. Without the multiple jobs adjustment, you'll almost always underwithhold.
I went through something similar when I switched from hourly to salary. The key thing to remember is that the W4 is just instructions to your employer - you're not changing your actual tax liability, just the timing of when you pay it. For your situation making $4,800/month, $950 in federal withholding does seem high unless you have no deductions. A few suggestions: 1. Use the IRS Withholding Estimator first - it's free and official 2. If you're single with no dependents, you might be able to increase your take-home by claiming some estimated deductions in Step 4(b) 3. Don't claim "exempt" unless you had zero tax liability last year AND expect zero this year The restaurant industry can be tricky because tip income affects your withholding calculations. Make sure you're accounting for all your income when using any calculator. And remember - it's better to owe a small amount than get a huge refund, since that's basically giving the government an interest-free loan of your money.
This is really helpful advice! I'm actually in a similar situation - just started a new job and realized I might be over-withholding. The tip about restaurant workers having tricky withholding makes a lot of sense since tip reporting can vary so much month to month. Quick question - when you mention claiming estimated deductions in Step 4(b), what kind of deductions would someone like Jade typically be able to claim? I'm thinking things like work uniforms, car expenses for work, or maybe student loan interest? Just want to make sure I understand what counts as legitimate deductions before I mess with my own W4.
Just wanted to add my experience - I was in a very similar situation with a CP21B after my divorce. The $60k amount you mentioned is substantial, so I'd strongly recommend getting everything in writing before splitting it. Even though your divorce decree specifies 50/50, I'd suggest both of you sign a simple agreement acknowledging the refund amount, the split, and who received the original check. This protects both parties if questions arise later, especially with an amount this large. Also, keep copies of the CP21B notice, your divorce decree section about tax refunds, and any bank records showing the transfer. The IRS might ask questions years later about large deposits, and having clear documentation makes everything much easier to explain. One more tip - if the check comes made out to both names with "AND" between them (not "OR"), you'll definitely need both signatures. Some banks are strict about this even for divorced couples.
I went through something very similar last year with a CP21B notice for about $45k after my divorce was finalized. A few things I learned that might help: First, the timing of when you separated matters more than you might think. Even though your divorce was finalized in 2020, if you separated earlier in 2019, that could affect how the refund should be split according to your decree. Some courts consider the separation date, not the divorce date, for financial matters. Second, make sure you understand what triggered the CP21B. In my case, it was missed business deductions from my ex's side business that we had forgotten to claim. This changed our negotiation since those deductions were directly related to her income, not our joint expenses. Third, consider opening a temporary joint account just for this transaction if the check comes in both names. It's cleaner than trying to get dual signatures at the bank, and you can close it immediately after splitting the funds. The person at work who mentioned taxation was definitely wrong - this is your money being returned to you, not new income. But definitely keep detailed records since $60k will likely trigger some banking reporting requirements. Good luck with the split - having it spelled out clearly in your decree should make this relatively straightforward!
This is really helpful advice, especially about the separation vs divorce date distinction! I hadn't thought about that aspect. We actually separated in late 2019 but didn't finalize until 2020, so I should probably review our decree language more carefully to see if that matters for this refund. The temporary joint account idea is brilliant - much simpler than trying to coordinate bank visits for dual signatures. Did you have any issues opening an account specifically for this purpose, or were banks pretty understanding about the situation? Also, you mentioned banking reporting requirements for the $60k - should I expect any 1099s or other tax forms to be generated from this, even though it's not taxable income?
Question - does anyone know if providing snacks/drinks in the office counts under this exception? We spend about $500/month on office snacks and coffee. Is that considered employee recreation under ยง274(e)(4) or something else?
Office snacks and drinks are generally considered de minimis fringe benefits rather than recreation events under ยง274(e)(4). They're still deductible, but under a different section of tax code. As long as the value is small and accounting for it would be administratively impractical, you can deduct 100% of these expenses.
Great thread everyone! As someone who's dealt with this exact issue, I wanted to add that timing can also matter for these deductions. The IRS looks at whether the event was held during or reasonably close to the business year you're claiming the deduction. Also, one thing I haven't seen mentioned is the "all employees" requirement. Under ยง274(e)(4), the recreational activity needs to be available to employees generally - you can't just treat executives or a select group and claim the full deduction. If you're doing tiered events (like a nice dinner for managers and pizza for everyone else), that could complicate your deduction. For your specific activities @CosmicCommander, make sure your team dinners aren't too frequent or lavish, as the IRS might view regular expensive meals as compensation rather than recreation. The escape room and company picnic sound perfect for the exception though!
This is such valuable insight about the "all employees" requirement! I hadn't considered how tiered events could complicate deductions. Quick follow-up question - if we do a company-wide event but some remote employees can't attend due to location, does that still meet the "available to employees generally" test? We have about 5 remote workers out of our 15 total employees, and I'd hate for their inability to physically attend our local events to disqualify the deduction for everyone else.
Annabel Kimball
One thing to keep in mind is that most RSUs are taxed at vesting (your company probably withheld shares for taxes when they vested). So your actual cost basis for tax purposes is the FMV on vesting date, not zero. This means your older RSUs that are "lower than current price" might actually represent a loss if the current price is lower than when they vested! In that case, selling them would give you a capital loss you can use to offset other gains. Check your vesting statements carefully!
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Chris Elmeda
โขThis is such an important point! I actually discovered I had some "underwater" RSUs last year that were showing as a loss because the price had dropped since vesting. Was able to harvest those losses to offset some gains elsewhere in my portfolio.
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Dyllan Nantx
Great advice from everyone here! One additional consideration for @Kristin Frank - if you're in a higher tax bracket this year but expect to be in a lower bracket next year (maybe due to job change, retirement, sabbatical, etc.), it might make sense to delay selling the older RSUs to take advantage of the lower long-term capital gains rate when your overall income is lower. Also, don't forget about the Net Investment Income Tax (NIIT) - if your modified adjusted gross income exceeds $200K (single) or $250K (married filing jointly), you'll pay an additional 3.8% tax on investment income including capital gains. This could influence the timing of when you sell. The tools others mentioned like taxr.ai sound really helpful for modeling different scenarios, especially when you factor in state taxes and these additional considerations!
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Isabel Vega
โขThis is such a helpful perspective on income timing! I hadn't even thought about the NIIT threshold. Quick question - if someone is right at the edge of that $200K/$250K limit, would it make sense to spread RSU sales across multiple tax years to stay under the threshold? Or does the tax you save not make up for the complexity of managing multiple sale dates?
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