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Great decision, Sean! This thread has been incredibly educational for everyone involved. As someone who works in financial compliance, I see these types of schemes regularly, and they always follow the same pattern - complex structures that exist primarily for tax avoidance rather than legitimate business purposes. What's particularly valuable about this discussion is how it demonstrates the importance of community knowledge sharing. The collective experiences shared here - from those who nearly fell for similar schemes to those who got audited - create a comprehensive picture that's much more powerful than any single professional opinion. For future reference, the IRS publishes an annual "Dirty Dozen" list of tax scams that often includes these types of abusive tax shelters. They also maintain a list of "reportable transactions" that must be disclosed on tax returns, and many of these software license/LLC arrangements fall into that category. The fact that you trusted your instincts and sought out community input before making a decision shows exactly the kind of due diligence that protects people from financial harm. Your experience will undoubtedly help others who find this thread after being approached by similar companies. Thanks for sharing your story and for the follow-up on your decision. It's a perfect example of how asking the right questions and getting multiple perspectives can save you from very expensive mistakes.
This whole thread has been such an eye-opener for me as someone who's completely new to understanding these tax schemes. I actually got a very similar pitch from a company called "Health Innovation Partners" just last week, and after reading all these experiences, I can see it follows the exact same playbook - special LLC, $100k software investment, massive tax write-offs, and pressure to decide quickly. What really resonates with me is how everyone emphasized trusting your gut instincts. I had that same "too good to be true" feeling but was starting to second-guess myself because their materials looked so professional and they used a lot of impressive-sounding tax terminology. The point about asking for independent professional references who can verify the strategy is brilliant - when I asked them that question yesterday, they gave me the same runaround about most CPAs not understanding "advanced strategies." That was my red flag moment. Sean, thanks for starting this discussion and for sharing your final decision. You've potentially saved not just yourself but anyone else who finds this thread from making a costly mistake. The collective wisdom shared here is invaluable!
As a tax professional who's been dealing with these schemes for over a decade, I want to applaud everyone who shared their experiences here - this is exactly the kind of community knowledge sharing that protects people from financial predators. Sean, your decision to walk away was absolutely the right call. What strikes me about the My Health CCM pitch is how it hits every single checkbox on the IRS's list of abusive tax shelter characteristics: artificial complexity, disproportionate tax benefits, entity creation solely for tax purposes, and most tellingly, the insistence on using their "approved" professionals. I've represented clients in audits involving virtually identical structures, and the outcomes are consistently bad. The IRS has specific teams dedicated to unwinding these arrangements, and they're very good at it. They'll typically challenge both the inflated valuation of the software licenses AND the business purpose of the entire structure. For anyone else reading this who might be considering similar arrangements, here's my professional advice: if a tax strategy requires you to create new entities, involves transactions primarily with the company selling you the strategy, or promises tax benefits that seem disproportionate to your economic risk, get multiple independent opinions from tax professionals who have ZERO financial relationship with the promoter. The legitimate tax planning world has plenty of genuine opportunities that don't require elaborate schemes or artificial time pressure. Trust your instincts, do your due diligence, and remember that the best tax strategy is one that makes business sense first and tax sense second. Thanks again to everyone who contributed to this invaluable discussion!
Thank you so much for this professional perspective! As someone who's completely new to this community and just starting to learn about tax strategies, your breakdown of the IRS's specific characteristics for abusive tax shelters is incredibly helpful. Your point about the IRS having dedicated teams to unwind these arrangements is both reassuring and terrifying - reassuring that they're actively protecting people from these schemes, but terrifying to think about what would happen if someone got caught up in one. I'm curious - when you mention that the outcomes are "consistently bad" in audits, what's the typical timeline? Do these audits happen quickly after filing, or do people sometimes think they've gotten away with it for years before the IRS catches up? Also, your advice about getting opinions from professionals with "ZERO financial relationship" to the promoter really drives home how important independence is in this process. It seems like these companies deliberately try to control the entire ecosystem of advice around their schemes. This whole thread has been such an education for someone like me who had never even heard of these types of arrangements before. Thank you for sharing your professional expertise!
Thanks everyone for the incredibly thorough discussion! As someone who's helped dozens of small businesses through address changes, I wanted to add one more consideration that might be relevant for @Liam Fitzgerald and others. If you're moving your business across state lines (not just within the same state), you may also need to consider whether your business registration needs to be updated or if you need to register as a foreign entity in your new state. This is separate from the IRS Form 8822-B but equally important. For example, if you're currently registered as an LLC in California and moving to Texas, you might need to either transfer your registration or register as a foreign LLC in Texas while maintaining your California registration. This affects more than just your address - it can impact your tax obligations, annual filing requirements, and even your business insurance. The timing here is crucial because you want your federal address change (8822-B) to align with any state registration changes. I'd recommend checking with your new state's Secretary of State office or business registration department before finalizing your move timeline. Also, @Liam Fitzgerald, since you mentioned you're in consulting, don't forget to update your professional licenses or certifications if you have any - some are state-specific and may require separate notifications or transfers when you relocate your business.
@Lola Perez brings up such an important point about cross-state moves! I went through this exact situation last year when I moved my freelance business from Florida to Colorado. I was so focused on the federal tax implications like (Form 8822-B that) I almost missed the state business registration requirements entirely. In my case, since I was a single-member LLC, I had to dissolve my Florida LLC and create a new one in Colorado because Florida doesn t'allow simple transfers. But each state is different - some allow transfers, others require you to maintain dual registrations. It s'definitely not one-size-fits-all. @Liam Fitzgerald, I d'definitely recommend calling both your current state and your destination state s'business departments before you move. They can walk you through the specific requirements and timing. In my experience, getting this wrong can be way more expensive and complicated than getting the federal stuff wrong - some states have penalty fees for late notifications that can really add up. The good news is that once you have all the state requirements figured out, the Form 8822-B part is pretty straightforward in comparison!
This has been an incredibly helpful thread! I'm dealing with a similar situation - moving my small marketing agency from Arizona to Oregon next month. Reading through everyone's experiences, I'm realizing I need to plan this much more carefully than I initially thought. The electronic signature discussion is particularly useful since I have a business partner who's currently traveling internationally. Using DocuSign or Adobe Sign for the Form 8822-B makes perfect sense for us - we can both review and sign the form without coordinating schedules across time zones, then print and mail it as required. I'm definitely going to look into the state registration requirements that @Lola Perez and @Yuki Yamamoto mentioned. I hadn't even considered that Oregon might have different LLC requirements than Arizona. The last thing I want is to end up with compliance issues because I missed some state-level notification requirement. One question for the group - has anyone dealt with updating their business bank accounts during an address change? I'm wondering if banks require the IRS address change to be processed before they'll update business account addresses, or if they handle that independently. I want to make sure I can still receive important financial correspondence during the transition period. Thanks again everyone for sharing your experiences - this kind of real-world advice is so much more valuable than trying to decode IRS publications on your own!
When I was audited in 2022, I took a different approach than waiting to see if they'd hold my refund. I estimated what I might owe from the audit (added about 20% for safety) and adjusted my W-4 to have less withheld from my paychecks. This way, I wasn't giving the IRS an interest-free loan they might keep anyway. Then I set aside that money in a high-yield savings account. When the audit concluded, I had the funds ready plus had earned interest on it. Even if your audit results in zero additional tax, this approach gives you more control over your money.
I'm going through something similar right now and wanted to share what I've learned from my tax attorney. The IRS has something called an "offset" process where they can indeed hold your current year refund if there's an ongoing audit that might result in additional taxes owed. However, there are a few key factors that influence this decision: 1. **Timing matters**: If your audit is in the early stages (just requesting documents), they're less likely to hold your refund compared to audits nearing completion where deficiencies are already identified. 2. **Amount at stake**: Larger potential tax liabilities increase the likelihood of a refund hold. 3. **Your compliance history**: If you have a clean record and respond promptly to audit requests, they may be more lenient. My attorney suggested contacting the examining agent directly (their info should be on your audit notice) to ask specifically about refund processing. Also, consider filing Form 911 (Request for Taxpayer Advocate Service Assistance) if the refund hold creates financial hardship - the TAS can sometimes expedite resolution. One last tip: keep making your quarterly estimates as normal unless your audit reveals you've been significantly underpaying. Better to stay current on the current year while sorting out the past!
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Great question! I had the same confusion when I first started with HSAs. Your employer doesn't provide Form 8889 - that's a form you fill out yourself when filing your taxes. Since your W-2 shows the $3,000 in Box 12 with code W, you have everything you need from your employer. Just to add to what others have said - make sure you keep good records of any medical expenses you paid for with your HSA throughout the year. While you don't need to submit receipts with your tax return, you should keep them for your records in case the IRS ever asks. The Form 8889 will ask about any distributions you took from your HSA, so you'll want to have that information handy too. If you used tax software last year, it probably walked you through Form 8889 without you even realizing it was a separate form. Most tax prep software will automatically generate it based on the HSA information you enter.
This is really helpful! I'm new to HSAs too and had no idea about keeping receipts for medical expenses. Do you know if there's a specific way we're supposed to organize these receipts, or is it just a matter of keeping them somewhere safe? Also, when you mention distributions from the HSA - does that mean any time I used my HSA debit card to pay for something, or is that different?
Andre Dupont
This sounds exactly like what happened to me last year! The sudden doubling of both OASDI and federal withholding is definitely a payroll system error - I've never seen a legitimate tax scenario that would cause that exact pattern. What likely happened is your payroll system applied the tax calculations twice, probably triggered by your recent promotion or a system update for the new tax year. The fact that you're seeing around 12.4% for OASDI instead of the standard 6.2% is a dead giveaway - they're incorrectly deducting both the employee portion AND the employer portion from your paycheck. When you meet with HR on Monday, be prepared with specific numbers. Calculate the exact percentages and bring printed copies of both your normal paycheck and this reduced one. Don't let them brush you off with vague explanations about "tax adjustments" - the math clearly shows something is wrong. Ask them to show you the actual tax calculation screen in their system if possible. Sometimes seeing how their software computed the numbers makes the error obvious to everyone involved. And definitely push for the correction to be processed on your very next paycheck rather than "we'll look into it over the next few weeks." Keep detailed records of exactly how much was overwitheld so you can verify their correction is complete. This type of glitch is usually fixable once properly identified - you'll get your money back, just stay persistent with HR until it's resolved!
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Freya Pedersen
This is definitely a payroll system error - the simultaneous doubling of both OASDI and Federal Withholding is a classic sign of duplicate tax calculations being applied to your paycheck. What's most likely happening is that when your promotion was processed or during a recent system update for the new tax year, the payroll software got confused and started applying your tax withholdings twice. The 12.4% OASDI rate you're seeing is particularly telling - that's exactly what happens when the system incorrectly deducts both the employee portion (6.2%) AND the employer portion (6.2%) from your check, when it should only be deducting the employee portion. Before your HR meeting on Monday, document everything clearly: - Print copies of your last normal paycheck and this problematic one - Calculate the exact tax percentages being withheld (OASDI should never exceed 6.2% of gross wages) - Note the specific dollar amounts that were overwitheld When you meet with HR, be firm about getting this resolved quickly. Ask them to show you their system's tax calculation screen and request that the correction be processed on your immediate next paycheck, not "sometime in the coming weeks." This is their error and you shouldn't have to wait to get your own money back. Don't let them dismiss this as normal tax adjustments - the math clearly shows something is wrong. This type of payroll glitch happens more often than you'd think, especially during tax year transitions, and it's usually straightforward to fix once properly identified. Stay persistent and you'll get this resolved!
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Miranda Singer
ā¢This analysis is really helpful! I'm wondering - since this seems to be happening right after the new tax year started, is this something that could affect a lot of employees at once? If their payroll system is applying taxes twice due to a software update or configuration issue, it seems like it would hit multiple people, not just individuals. Also, when you mention asking HR to show the tax calculation screen - what specific things should someone look for to prove it's calculating twice? I want to make sure I know what questions to ask if I ever run into something like this myself. The advice about getting the correction on the very next paycheck is spot on though. No one should have to wait weeks to get their own money back from a payroll department's mistake!
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