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One thing to be aware of - when your son turns 18, the survivor benefits might automatically switch from your account to his own direct account. That's what happened with my daughter. When this happens, he will be responsible for any potential tax liability from that point forward. The good news is that most 18-year-olds don't have enough additional income to make their survivor benefits taxable, especially if they're full-time students (benefits can continue until 19 if still in high school).
Does anyone know if survivor benefits count against financial aid for college? My niece is 16 and getting benefits, but we're worried about how this affects her FAFSA application in a couple years.
Yes, survivor benefits do count as untaxed income on the FAFSA, but they're treated more favorably than regular income. They're reported in the "untaxed income" section rather than as regular income, which typically has less impact on the Expected Family Contribution (EFC) calculation. The good news is that many colleges have specific policies for students receiving survivor benefits and understand these are needed for basic living expenses, not discretionary income. I'd recommend contacting the financial aid offices at schools she's interested in to ask about their policies for students with survivor benefits. Some schools even have special scholarships or aid programs specifically for students who've lost a parent. Also, once she turns 18 and the benefits potentially end (unless she's still in high school), her FAFSA picture will change significantly for subsequent years, which could actually improve her aid eligibility.
Just wanted to add something that might help ease your mind about the audit concerns you mentioned. The IRS has specific safe harbors for children receiving survivor benefits, and they're generally very understanding about these situations since they recognize families are dealing with loss. If your son's only income is survivor benefits and they're under the taxable thresholds, you're actually at very low risk for audit issues. The IRS focuses their limited audit resources on higher-income situations and complex transactions, not children receiving government benefits. That said, I'd definitely recommend keeping good records - save all the Social Security benefit statements (Form SSA-1099) each year, even if you don't need to file. If questions ever come up later, having that documentation will make everything much easier. You can also set up a my Social Security account online to track his benefits electronically. The fact that you're asking these questions now shows you're being responsible about this. Most families in similar situations don't have tax filing requirements, but staying informed like you're doing is the right approach.
This is really reassuring to hear about the audit risk being low. I've been losing sleep over this since the benefits increased, thinking we might be missing something important. One quick question - you mentioned setting up a my Social Security account online. Can I set that up for him since he's only 14, or does he need to be 18? I'd love to have digital access to track everything rather than waiting for paper statements that sometimes get lost in the mail. Also, do you know if there's any difference in how the IRS treats survivor benefits vs regular Social Security disability benefits for kids? My neighbor's son gets disability benefits and she files taxes for him, but I wasn't sure if that's because his situation is different or if she's doing something unnecessary.
Great question! I've been using FreeTaxUSA's professional version for preparing returns for family and friends. It's much more affordable than the big names - around $25 per federal return plus state fees, and you can manage multiple clients under one account. What I really like about it is that it handles all the common situations you mentioned (W-2s, standard deductions, basic credits) really well, and the interface is clean and straightforward. You're not paying for a bunch of bells and whistles you probably won't need for simple returns. One thing to keep in mind - make sure you're comfortable with the responsibility aspect. Even with "basic" returns, there can be tricky situations that pop up (like unreported income, dependents with SSN issues, etc.). Having a good relationship with your clients about what you can and can't handle is key. I always tell people upfront that if their situation gets complicated, I'll refer them to a CPA. Also seconding what others said about the PTIN - definitely get that sorted first. It's free and required by law if you're charging for prep services.
Thanks for the FreeTaxUSA recommendation! I hadn't considered that one. The $25 per federal return pricing sounds really reasonable compared to some of the other options mentioned here. Quick question - when you say you can manage multiple clients under one account, does that mean you don't have to create separate logins for each person? That was one of my main concerns with some of the consumer versions I looked at. And do you know if they have good customer support if I run into issues during busy season? I'm definitely planning to get the PTIN sorted out first thing. Sounds like that's step one before doing anything else.
Something I wish someone had mentioned to me when I started - keep really good records of what you charge each client and any expenses related to your tax prep business. Since you're earning income from this (even if it's just $35-65 per return), you'll need to report it on your own taxes. I'd suggest setting up a simple spreadsheet to track client payments, software costs, PTIN fees, any supplies you buy, etc. This becomes business income and you can deduct legitimate business expenses. Just makes everything cleaner come tax time for yourself. Also, consider asking clients to pay you via check or electronic transfer rather than cash so you have a clear paper trail. Makes record-keeping much easier and looks more professional too.
This is really smart advice that I hadn't thought about! I was so focused on the software side that I completely overlooked the business/record-keeping aspect. Setting up a proper tracking system from day one will definitely save headaches later. The point about payment methods is especially helpful - I was actually thinking cash would be simpler, but you're absolutely right that checks or electronic payments create better documentation. Plus it probably does look more professional to clients. Do you happen to know if there's a minimum threshold for reporting this kind of income? Like if I only end up doing a handful of returns, is it still something I need to declare? I'm assuming yes, but figured I'd ask since you seem to have experience with the business side of this.
Great question, Derek! I went through this exact same confusion with my RSUs from Microsoft last year. Based on what you're describing with Fidelity automatically selling shares to cover taxes, you're definitely dealing with a "forced sale" situation rather than net settlement. Here's what you need to know: Your company should already be reporting the full fair market value of all 130 RSUs as ordinary income on your W-2 for the year they vested. This covers the tax on the compensation aspect. However, you'll also need to report the sale of those 26 shares that were sold for tax withholding on Schedule D. The tricky part is that your 1099-B from Fidelity might show an incorrect cost basis (often $0) for those sold shares, which would make it look like you have a big capital gain when you actually don't. Since you already paid ordinary income tax on the full value through your W-2, the cost basis for those sold shares should equal the fair market value on the vesting date. If the 1099-B basis is wrong, you'll need to use Form 8949 to make the adjustment. Most people miss this and end up paying tax twice on the same income. The remaining 104 shares you keep have a cost basis equal to their FMV on vesting date, so when you eventually sell those, any gain/loss is calculated from that point. Hope this helps clarify things!
This is exactly the clarification I needed! I was getting so confused looking at my Fidelity statements because they show two separate transactions on the same day - the vesting and then the immediate sale. I kept wondering if I was supposed to report both somehow. So just to make sure I understand correctly: the W-2 income from my employer covers the tax on receiving the RSU compensation, and then I only need to report the actual stock sale (those 26 shares sold for taxes) on Schedule D with the adjusted basis you mentioned? And the 104 shares I kept don't get reported until I actually decide to sell them later? I'm definitely going to need to use Form 8949 because my 1099-B is showing zero basis for those tax withholding shares. Thanks for breaking this down so clearly - it's way less complicated than I was making it in my head!
Derek, you're dealing with a really common source of confusion that trips up a lot of people with RSUs! Based on your description of Fidelity using sell-to-cover and only 104 shares ending up in your account while 26 were sold, this is definitely a "forced sale" scenario. The good news is that your employer has likely already handled most of the heavy lifting by including the full value of all 130 RSUs as ordinary income on your W-2 when they vested. This means you've already paid income tax on the compensation value of those shares. However, you do need to report the sale of those 26 shares that were sold to cover taxes on Schedule D. Here's the catch that gets most people: your 1099-B from Fidelity probably shows a $0 cost basis for those sold shares, which would create an artificial capital gain. Since you already paid ordinary income tax on their full value, the correct cost basis should be the fair market value on the vesting date. You'll need to use Form 8949 to make this basis adjustment - otherwise you'll end up paying tax twice on the same income. The 104 shares you kept don't need to be reported until you actually sell them, and their cost basis will be the FMV on the vesting date. This is one of those areas where the tax code creates unnecessary complexity, but once you understand the pattern it becomes much clearer!
This whole situation really highlights how the tax code can create unexpected hardships for seniors, and I feel for your aunt dealing with this confusing situation. The 85% Social Security taxation she's experiencing with Married Filing Separately status is unfortunately correct based on current IRS rules. What's particularly frustrating about her case is how those 21 days of living together in December triggered the harsh MFS treatment for the entire tax year. The IRS rule is very black and white - ANY cohabitation during the tax year means up to 85% of Social Security benefits can be taxable with virtually any other income when filing separately. For some context on why this happens: when you're married filing separately and lived with your spouse during the year, the threshold for Social Security taxation drops to essentially $0. This means her $22,100 in work income immediately pushes her into the 85% taxation category, with no 50% middle ground available. Looking ahead to next year, your aunt and her husband really should consider the financial benefits of filing jointly. With their combined situation - her Social Security income and his non-Social Security income - they might stay under the $44,000 threshold where only 50% of Social Security becomes taxable instead of 85%. The potential tax savings could be substantial. I'd recommend they sit down with a tax professional who can run the actual numbers comparing MFS vs MFJ for their specific situation. Sometimes seeing the real dollar difference helps reluctant spouses understand why cooperation on tax filing benefits both parties financially.
This is exactly the kind of clear explanation that helps make sense of such a complicated situation. Your breakdown of the $0 threshold for MFS filers who lived together really drives home why your aunt got hit so hard tax-wise. What really resonates with me as someone new to these tax rules is how that 21-day period in December essentially locked her into a penalty for the full year. It seems like such a harsh outcome for what was probably a joyful life decision - getting married and starting a new chapter together. The comparison you made about the potential joint filing benefits is really compelling too. If they could stay under that $44,000 threshold and only have 50% of her Social Security taxed instead of 85%, that's a significant difference that could impact their overall financial well-being. I hope your aunt can show this thread to her husband - sometimes having multiple people explain the same concept in different ways helps it click. The tax code shouldn't punish people for finding happiness later in life, but understanding how to work within these rules can at least minimize the financial impact. Thanks for taking the time to break this down so clearly. It's been really educational seeing how these complex tax situations play out in real life!
I'm really sorry your aunt is dealing with this frustrating tax situation. As a newcomer to understanding these complex Social Security taxation rules, I've learned so much from reading through everyone's explanations here. What strikes me most about your aunt's case is how those 21 days in December essentially created a year-long financial penalty that she probably never saw coming when she got married. The idea that ANY cohabitation during the tax year triggers the harsh MFS treatment seems incredibly unfair, especially for seniors on fixed incomes who are just trying to find companionship later in life. From everything I've read here, it sounds like the 85% taxation rate she's experiencing is unfortunately correct under current IRS rules, but there's definitely hope for better outcomes next year if she and her husband can work together on joint filing. Given that he's younger and not collecting Social Security yet, their combined income situation might actually work in their favor for avoiding the higher taxation brackets. I'd really encourage your aunt to share some of these responses with her husband - sometimes seeing multiple explanations of how much money they could potentially save by filing jointly helps reluctant spouses understand why cooperation benefits everyone. The tax code shouldn't force people to choose between personal happiness and financial security, but at least understanding these rules can help minimize the impact. This thread has been incredibly educational about how marriage timing can have such dramatic tax consequences. Thank you for sharing your aunt's situation - it's helping many of us learn about these important but often overlooked tax implications.
You've really captured the essence of how unfair this situation feels! As someone also new to these tax complexities, I'm struck by how the IRS rules seem to punish life decisions that should be celebrations. Your aunt's story is a perfect example of how the tax code can create unexpected financial hardships for seniors. What bothers me most is that there's no proportional consideration for how long couples actually lived together during the year. Whether it's 21 days like your aunt's situation or 300+ days, the tax treatment is exactly the same - that seems fundamentally flawed from a fairness perspective. I hope your aunt can use all the great advice and resources shared in this thread to improve her situation for next year. The potential savings from joint filing could be substantial, and sometimes having community support and multiple perspectives helps when trying to convince a reluctant spouse to cooperate on tax planning. This whole discussion has really opened my eyes to how important it is for seniors to get tax advice BEFORE making major life changes like remarriage. The timing and filing status implications can have such dramatic financial consequences that most people never consider when they're focused on the joy of finding love later in life. Thank you for sharing your aunt's situation - it's created such a valuable learning opportunity for all of us about these hidden tax traps that affect real people's lives.
Natasha Kuznetsova
One important thing nobody's mentioned - if you file on time but your return gets rejected after the deadline, make sure you keep proof of your original filing attempt! Screenshot the confirmation page showing you submitted before the deadline. This has saved me from penalties twice when dealing with rejections. The IRS system timestamps your submission attempt, not just the final acceptance.
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Javier Mendoza
ā¢This is super helpful advice. How long should we keep these records? Just wondering if the screenshot on my phone is enough or if I should save it somewhere more permanent.
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Diego Rojas
ā¢I'd recommend keeping those records for at least 3-7 years, which is the typical IRS audit window. A screenshot on your phone is fine as a backup, but I always save mine to cloud storage or email them to myself as well. Phone storage can get corrupted or you might lose/upgrade your device. Also pro tip - most tax software keeps a record of submission attempts in your account history, so you can usually go back and download proof even if you forgot to screenshot at the time. Just make sure you don't delete your account after filing!
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Brielle Johnson
Great question about payment timing! As others have mentioned, you should always make your payment by the filing deadline regardless of acceptance status. I learned this the hard way a few years ago when I waited for acceptance and ended up paying interest on late payments. One thing to add - if you're ever unsure about your exact tax liability close to the deadline, it's better to overpay slightly than underpay. The IRS will send you a refund for overpayments (though it takes time), but underpayments start accruing interest and penalties immediately after the deadline. Also, for future reference, you can make payments online through IRS Direct Pay or EFTPS even if your return hasn't been accepted yet. Just make sure to include your SSN and tax year so the payment gets properly credited to your account when your return is eventually processed. Glad your return got accepted! The 1095-A forms can definitely cause processing delays, especially when combined with dependent status questions.
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Charlotte Jones
ā¢This is really solid advice about overpaying rather than underpaying! I'm curious though - if you overpay and request a refund, does that refund get processed faster or slower than a regular refund? I always worry about tying up too much money with the IRS, especially if it takes months to get back. Also, thanks for mentioning EFTPS - I've never used it but heard it's more reliable than some of the other online payment options. Do you know if there are any fees associated with it compared to Direct Pay?
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