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I've been a tax preparer for 10 years and see this situation frequently. Here's what you need to know: For EITC purposes, a qualifying child must meet relationship, age, residency, and joint return tests. Nowhere in those requirements does it state that you must be the one claiming them as a dependent. However, if both parents could potentially claim EITC for the same child (both meet income requirements), the tiebreaker rules apply. But in your case, since your ex exceeds EITC income limits, there's no competition for the EITC. The most important thing is consistency. Make sure information like the child's SSN, name spelling, and date of birth match exactly on both returns to avoid automatic flags.
What happens if the other parent also tries to claim EITC even though they make too much? Will the IRS automatically reject the higher income person's claim or will both returns get flagged?
If a parent attempts to claim EITC while exceeding the income threshold, their tax software or the IRS systems will automatically calculate that they're ineligible and they won't receive the credit. The system is designed to check income against the EITC thresholds. Even if they somehow managed to claim it incorrectly, the IRS would not penalize you for correctly claiming EITC when you're eligible. They would address the incorrect claim with the higher-income parent. The key is making sure all your information is accurate and consistent, especially the child's SSN, which the IRS uses to track who's claiming which benefits for each dependent.
Quick question about this EITC situation - does anyone know if TurboTax handles this correctly? Like if I input that I have 50/50 custody and want to claim EITC for a kid that my ex is claiming as a dependent, will it let me do that or will it give me an error?
I used TurboTax last year for this exact scenario. It asks separate questions about who claims the child as a dependent versus who can claim them for EITC. Just make sure to answer carefully - when it asks if you're claiming the child as a dependent, say no for the one your ex claims. Later when it asks about qualifying children for EITC, you can include both children if you meet all the EITC requirements.
I think TurboTax is fine for basic returns but beware they are constantly trying to upsell you. I started using it 4 years ago when my taxes were super simple, but now that I have some 1099 income and investments, I felt like they weren't giving me enough guidance on deductions. Switched to FreeTaxUSA last year and paid WAY less for basically the same service. TurboTax starts cheap but by the time you need to add state filing and any slightly complex situation, the price jumps up like crazy.
Do you think FreeTaxUSA is good for someone who has rental property income? I've been using TurboTax Deluxe but thinking of switching.
FreeTaxUSA handles rental property income really well in my experience. I have a small rental property and had no issues reporting all the income and expenses. They walk you through all the necessary depreciation calculations and possible deductions specifically for landlords. The interface isn't quite as polished as TurboTax, but functionally it does everything you need and saves you a ton of money. Their Deluxe version is still way cheaper than TurboTax's basic version once you add state filing. I particularly liked their audit assistance which is included in the Deluxe version for much less than TurboTax charges.
don't use turbotax!!! they charged me like $120 last year after starting with their "free" version. as soon as i had to enter an HSA contribution they forced me to upgrade to deluxe. check out the IRS Free File options, many people qualify for actually free software from various providers (including turbotax) but they hide these options. google "irs free file" instead of going directly to turbotax.
This is good to know. I make under $73k so I should qualify for Free File but I always end up paying when I go through TurboTax's website directly.
Have you looked into whether your 17-year-olds qualify as Qualifying Children vs Qualifying Relatives? The age requirements and support tests are different, which might help. Also, if either child has any income of their own, there could be strategies around how you claim them. I had this issue last year and found that by having my 18-year-old file their own return (they had a part-time job) but still claiming them as a dependent, I was able to optimize our family's overall tax situation.
One of my kids did work a summer job and made about $3,800 last year. How would that change things? Should they file their own return? Would I still claim them as a dependent?
Yes, your child should definitely file their own return for that summer job income. The good news is that you can still claim them as a dependent on your return as long as you provided more than half of their support for the year and they meet the other dependent tests. When they file their own return, they'll check the box indicating "Someone can claim you as a dependent." This is actually beneficial because while you still get whatever dependent benefits you qualify for, they may get some of their withholding back if too much was taken from their paychecks. It's not a major tax strategy that will eliminate your $2500 liability, but every bit helps, and it's teaching them about tax responsibility too.
Not sure if this helps but I'm in almost the same boat. Does the homeownership help you at all? I wasn't sure if I should itemize or take the standard deduction. My mortgage interest was around $9,200 and property taxes about $4,500.
With mortgage interest of $9,200 and property taxes of $4,500, you're at $13,700 just from those two items. Add in state income taxes (up to the SALT limit) and any charitable contributions, and you might exceed the standard deduction ($13,850 for single filers, $20,800 for head of household in 2023). Run the numbers both ways to see which gives you the better result. But remember, even if itemizing only saves you a few hundred dollars over the standard deduction, that's still money in your pocket.
I think I see where the confusion is happening. Look at line 2 of your Form 8606 for 2024. You have $6,500 there, which is your basis from the previous year's non-deductible contributions. When you do a backdoor Roth, you need to track your basis across tax years. Since you did the conversion in 2024 of contributions made in 2023, plus additional contributions in 2024, the math gets a bit complex. The taxable amount should be: Total distribution ($7,204) minus your basis in the IRA ($6,500 + any other non-deductible contributions you've made in previous years that haven't been converted yet).
Thanks for pointing this out! So if I understand correctly, my 2023 contribution ($6,500) plus my 2024 contribution ($7,000) gives me a total basis of $13,500, which matches lines 3 and 5 on my Form 8606. But I only converted $7,204, leaving $6,296 as my remaining basis (line 14). Does that mean none of my conversion should be taxable? That doesn't seem right if I had earnings.
Your understanding is partially correct, but there's a key distinction. When you convert from traditional to Roth, the IRS looks at the proportion of your basis to the total value across ALL your traditional IRAs, not just the one you're converting from. If you converted $7,204, and your total basis across all traditional IRAs was $13,500, then the taxable portion would be calculated using the ratio of non-deductible contributions to total IRA balances. However, if the $7,204 includes $704 of earnings on the original $6,500 contribution, those earnings should be taxable. The fact that line 4b on your 1040 is showing "rollover" but no amount suggests the software isn't calculating this correctly. You may need to manually enter the taxable amount there.
Has anyone used TurboTax for backdoor Roth reporting? I've been trying to get mine right and it's driving me crazy. I keep getting different numbers depending on what order I enter things.
I use TurboTax every year for my backdoor Roth. The trick is to enter the 1099-R first, THEN enter Form 8606 information. If you do it the other way around, it sometimes miscalculates the taxable amount. Also, make sure you're entering your prior year non-deductible contributions correctly on line 2 of Form 8606.
Amara Okafor
Former tax professional here. One thing nobody has mentioned yet - you need to seriously consider firing this tax preparer in writing immediately. Send a certified letter stating you're terminating their services due to the unauthorized and potentially fraudulent deductions they included on your return. Also, were they a CPA, Enrolled Agent, or just someone who prepares taxes? The credentials matter for reporting purposes. If they have professional credentials, you should also report them to their governing body (state CPA board, etc.). For the immediate situation with the incorrect return, file both Forms 14157 and 14157-A to report the preparer AND file your 1040-X as soon as possible.
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Yuki Kobayashi
ā¢The guy is just some local tax preparer - not a CPA or EA as far as I know. He was recommended by a friend who said he "gets great refunds for everyone." Should have been a red flag right there! Do I still use those same forms to report him even if he's not credentialed?
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Amara Okafor
ā¢Yes, absolutely use those same forms even though he's not credentialed. The IRS needs to know about all tax preparers who engage in misconduct, regardless of their credentials. Form 14157 is specifically designed to report any tax preparer who violates tax laws or engages in unethical practices. The fact he's known for "getting great refunds for everyone" is definitely concerning and suggests a pattern of improper deductions. Make sure you mention that in your report, as it indicates this may not be an isolated incident. The IRS may look into his other clients' returns if they suspect a pattern of fraudulent activity.
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Giovanni Colombo
Something similar happened to my brother last year. The key thing nobody's mentioned is to print out and KEEP copies of both returns - the fraudulent one that was filed and your corrected version. When you file the 1040-X, attach a detailed letter explaining the situation. In my brother's case, the IRS actually called him for clarification (yes they sometimes actually call!) because the difference was so large. Having documentation ready made all the difference. His fraudulent preparer had claimed like $12k in fake business expenses.
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Fatima Al-Qasimi
ā¢Wait the IRS actually called your brother? I thought they only communicate through mail. Was it legit? I always heard to be super careful about scam calls claiming to be the IRS.
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