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I'm a twitch streamer and we deal with this all the time. Easiest solution is honestly just to use a payment app like Venmo/PayPal and send the money as "friends and family" instead of for goods and services. No tax forms, no paperwork. Just between friends.
That's technically tax evasion though. The IRS doesn't care what payment method you use - income is income. Your friends are still supposed to report that money as taxable income, and you're supposed to deduct it properly as a business expense with documentation.
I mean, I'm just sharing what most creators do in practice, not saying it's 100% by the book. You're right that technically all income should be reported. I guess a better suggestion would be to keep payments under the $600 threshold when possible if you want to minimize paperwork, but still document everything properly on your end so you can deduct those expenses. Even if you don't issue a 1099, you can still claim those payments as legitimate business expenses with proper documentation.
Why not just make everything a gift? The gift tax threshold is $17,000 per year per person. As long as you don't pay any single friend more than that amount in a year, neither of you would need to worry about taxes on it at all!
That's not how it works. If you're paying someone for services or work they've done for your business, it's not a gift - it's compensation. The IRS looks at the nature of the payment, not what you call it. Calling business payments "gifts" to avoid taxes is misrepresentation that could get you in trouble.
I had this exact issue last year. For freetaxusa.com specifically, you need to: 1) Select P as the distribution code 2) On the next screen, it'll ask about the reason for the distribution 3) Select the option for "return of excess contributions" 4) It should then ask about the earnings amount (your $270 in box 2a) The software handles the calculations correctly if you follow those steps. Don't try to enter the J code separately - the P code plus the "return of excess contributions" reason covers both parts of the PJ code.
Just to add some additional context - the "P" code tells the software that this is a distribution from a Roth IRA, while the "J" indicates it's specifically a return of excess contributions that happened within the allowable timeframe (which is why you only have a small taxable amount on your earnings). Remember that only the earnings portion is taxable when you properly remove excess contributions, which matches your situation where box 2a is only showing about $270 taxable on a $7,800 distribution. The system should handle this correctly once you select the proper options.
Has anyone actually filled out the BOI report yet? I'm looking at the requirements and they want my home address... I use a PO Box for everything business related for privacy reasons. Can I use that instead? Don't really want my home address in some government database that could get hacked.
You HAVE to use your residential address on the BOI form. I tried using my business address and my application got rejected. Had to resubmit with my home address. The whole point of this law is transparency about who actually owns these companies, so they're strict about it.
Well that sucks but thanks for the info. I guess I'll have to use my home address then. Just feels like a privacy invasion when I've been so careful about keeping my home address separate from my business for so long.
Question for anyone who's gone through this: does my accountant count as a "company applicant" who also needs to be listed on the BOI report? My LLC was formed by my accountant on my behalf back in 2020.
For existing companies formed before January 1, 2024, you don't need to report company applicant information at all - just the beneficial owners. If your LLC was formed in 2020, you only need to report yourself as the beneficial owner, not your accountant who helped set it up. If your LLC had been formed after January 1, 2024, then yes, you would need to include your accountant as a company applicant since they filed the formation documents for you.
Thank you so much! That's a huge relief - my accountant retired and moved to Florida so I wasn't sure how I was going to get all his information for the filing.
Doesn't anyone remember that the $300/$600 above-the-line deduction was just temporary for COVID? It was never meant to be permanent. Before that special provision, charitable deductions were always itemized deductions. If you really want to get tax benefits from charitable giving, there are some creative approaches: - Donor-advised funds if you have larger amounts - Donating appreciated stock directly (avoid capital gains) - QCDs from IRAs as someone mentioned if you're old enough - Focusing on getting over the standard deduction threshold through bunching Standard deduction for 2022 is $12,950 for single filers, so you need substantial deductions to make itemizing worthwhile.
How do the donor-advised funds work? I keep hearing about them but don't really understand the benefits.
Donor-advised funds are essentially charitable investment accounts. You contribute cash, securities, or other assets to the fund and take an immediate tax deduction in the year you contribute. The money can then be invested and grow tax-free, and you recommend grants to your favorite charities over time. The main benefit is timing - you can make a large contribution in a high-income year to get over the standard deduction threshold, take the full tax deduction immediately, but then distribute the actual donations to charities over multiple years. Many financial institutions offer them with relatively low minimums nowadays. They're especially powerful if you donate appreciated stock because you avoid capital gains tax on the appreciation.
I think you can still deduct if you're self employed and its a business expense? I donated to some local charities last year from my small business and my accountant said it was deductible???
There's an important distinction here. If your donation was made as a business expense for business purposes (like sponsoring a local event with your business name displayed), then yes, it might be deductible as a business advertising expense on Schedule C. However, this is different from a charitable contribution. True charitable donations - even those made from your business account - are still personal itemized deductions and not business expenses. If your accountant classified a true charitable donation as a business expense, that's potentially problematic from an IRS perspective.
Owen Devar
Just wanted to add some info based on my experience as someone who prepares taxes seasonally. If your return was rejected and you never successfully resubmitted it, the IRS considers you as having never filed at all. That's different from filing late. The good news is that if you're owed a refund, there's no penalty for filing late. You have 3 years from the original due date to claim your refund. The bad news is that if you owed taxes, you're looking at both failure-to-file penalties (5% of unpaid taxes each month, up to 25%) AND failure-to-pay penalties (0.5% per month) plus interest. These can add up fast. One thing many people don't know is that the IRS offers a first-time penalty abatement program. If you have a clean compliance history for the past 3 years, you can often get penalties (but not interest) waived. Definitely worth asking about once you get everything filed!
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Abigail Spencer
ā¢Thank you so much for this detailed explanation! Quick question - when I refile the rejected return, should I attach any kind of explanation letter about why I'm filing so late? And does using tax software still work for submitting prior year returns or do I need special forms?
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Owen Devar
ā¢You don't need to attach an explanation letter when you refile, but it's not a bad idea to include a brief statement explaining you weren't aware the original filing was rejected. This won't prevent penalties automatically but could help if you request penalty abatement later. Most tax software can handle prior year returns, but you may need to purchase the specific tax year you need as they don't always keep all years available in the current software. Some companies offer prior year versions on their websites. If your situation is fairly straightforward, you can also download the forms directly from IRS.gov for the specific tax year and file by mail. Just be absolutely certain you're using the forms for the correct tax year - they change slightly each year.
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Daniel Rivera
Has anyone had success with trying tax attorneys to fix this sorta issue? I'm in a similar situation but I also have some self-employment income that complicates things and I'm worried about doing it wrong again.
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Sophie Footman
ā¢I used a tax attorney last year for a similar situation with rejected returns AND self-employment complications. It cost about $1200 but was 100% worth it for the peace of mind. They handled everything, negotiated with the IRS on penalties, and even found deductions I'd missed that nearly covered their fee. Just make sure you find one who specializes in tax resolution, not just general tax preparation.
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Daniel Rivera
ā¢That's really helpful to know! The $1200 seems steep but honestly if they can find deductions I missed and handle the IRS negotiations, that sounds worth it. Did you find them locally or use some online service?
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