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Don't forget that if you earn above certain thresholds, there's also the Additional Medicare Tax of 0.9% on earnings above $200,000 for single filers. That's another thing that messes up people's calculations when they're in higher income brackets. Also, you mentioned using tax brackets manually. Make sure you're using the correct tax brackets for the tax year you're calculating. They adjust for inflation each year, so the bracket cutoffs for 2024 are different than 2023.
Thanks for pointing that out! I'm not in that income bracket yet, but good to know for future planning. Do you know if HSA contributions have any special tax implications I should be aware of? I'm trying to max mine out this year.
HSA contributions are pretty much the ultimate tax-advantaged account - they're pre-tax for both federal income tax AND FICA taxes (unlike 401k contributions which are still subject to FICA). Plus, the money grows tax-free and withdrawals for qualified medical expenses are tax-free too. It's basically triple tax-advantaged. One thing to be careful about though - if your HSA contributions are made through payroll deduction, they're automatically pre-tax for everything. But if you contribute directly to your HSA outside of payroll, you'll get the income tax deduction when you file your taxes, but you won't save on the FICA taxes. So payroll deduction is usually better if you have that option.
I had similar problems with my calculations. The issue was that I was calculating taxes on a yearly basis, but my payroll system was calculating them on a per-paycheck basis and then projecting that out. The tax brackets are applied to each paycheck as if that's what you'll make every pay period for the whole year. So if you get paid biweekly and make $4,000 per paycheck, the system calculates taxes as if you'll make $104,000 for the year ($4,000 Ć 26 paychecks). If you have months with 3 paychecks or get a bonus, that throws off the calculation even more.
This is exactly right! Payroll systems use what's called the "aggregate method" or sometimes the "annualized method" where they take your current paycheck, multiply it out to an annual amount, calculate the tax on that annual amount, then divide back down to get the withholding for that specific paycheck. This is why your withholding might be higher on paychecks with bonuses or overtime - the system thinks your annual income just went up dramatically. By year end though, it all evens out when you file your tax return.
I think everyone's overcomplicating this. The old W-4 is actually pretty straightforward once you understand the basic concept. For line 1, think of allowances as people/situations that reduce your tax: you (1), spouse (1), dependents (1 each). Single with no kids? Just put 1 or 2. Married with 2 kids? Maybe 4. Line 3 is just adding lines 1 & 2 together (and since line 2 is blacked out, it's the same as line 1). Line 4 is OPTIONAL. Only fill this in if you want EXTRA money taken out of each paycheck. Line 5 is only for people who expect to have ZERO tax liability for the entire year. If you're working a regular job, this probably isn't you. That's literally it. Don't overthink it!
Is it really that simple though? I've heard that if you don't fill it out correctly, you could end up owing a lot at tax time. Isn't there some worksheet that's supposed to come with this form to help calculate the right number?
Yes, there should be a worksheet that comes with the form, but the basic concept is exactly as I described. The worksheet just helps you be more precise. For most people with straightforward tax situations (single, one job, no dependents), using 1 or 2 allowances works fine. If you want to be super cautious and ensure you get a refund rather than owing, use 1. If you prefer larger paychecks throughout the year and don't mind potentially owing a small amount at tax time, use 2. The more complicated your situation (multiple jobs, working spouse, investment income, etc.), the more important it is to use the worksheet or consult a tax professional. But the fundamental concept of "more allowances = less withholding" remains the same.
has anyone considered that maybe the employer's payroll system just hasn't been updated but they're INTERPRETING the old form using the new guidelines? my company did this - they had old forms but were processing them according to the 2020+ rules. might be worth asking HR how they're actually using the info from this form.
I actually did something similar last year with construction equipment. One thing to watch for that my CPA missed initially - if you're financing 90% of the cost but taking 100% of the purchase price as a Section 179 deduction, you need to be careful about the "at-risk" rules. You can only take deductions up to the amount you're personally at risk for. In my case, we had to restructure the loan to make sure I was personally liable for the financed portion in order to claim the full deduction. Otherwise, I would have been limited to deducting just my 10% down payment in the first year. Also, don't forget about state taxes - not all states conform to the federal Section 179 limits, so you might not get the same benefit at the state level.
Thanks for this insight - this is exactly the kind of real-world experience I was hoping to hear about. Did you use a specialized leasing company or did you find and manage your own customers? I'm trying to determine how hands-on I need to be with the day-to-day for this to work properly from a tax perspective.
I worked with a specialized company that handled finding customers and managing the equipment, but I made sure to document my involvement in major business decisions. I maintained records of regular meetings where I reviewed leasing terms, approved maintenance expenses, and made decisions about lease renewals. For tax purposes, material participation is key - I spend about 5-7 hours per week on this business, tracking my time carefully. The leasing company does the daily work, but I'm involved in all significant decisions. My tax advisor recommended this level of involvement to satisfy the active participation requirements, especially since I'm using the losses to offset other income. Document everything - calendar entries, emails, meeting notes - it all helps establish your legitimate business involvement.
Has anyone considered the impact of this strategy on the qualified business income deduction (Section 199A)? I'm in a similar situation and was told that large Section 179 deductions can potentially reduce my QBI deduction, partially offsetting the benefit. Also wondering about how this affects social security tax planning. If you're reducing taxable income dramatically through the S-corp with these equipment deductions, are you also reducing your future social security benefits?
Great point about QBI - this is something to consider. Section 179 deductions do reduce QBI, which can impact your 199A deduction. It's definitely a balancing act. On the Social Security question, remember that W-2 wages from an S-corp are still subject to FICA taxes regardless of the business's profit or loss. If you're taking a reasonable salary from your S-corp, those earnings will still count toward your Social Security earnings record even if the business shows a large loss due to Section 179 deductions.
Another angle to consider: if the owner is truly performing zero services, but previously built the client base, you might want to reframe this relationship. Instead of viewing it as employment, it could be structured as you purchasing the business over time. With proper documentation, the payments to the owner could potentially be characterized as installment payments for business acquisition rather than distributions from ongoing operations. This would eliminate the reasonable compensation question entirely. A good business attorney could help structure this correctly, especially if this arrangement is expected to continue long-term. It might better reflect the economic reality of your situation than the current S corp structure.
That's a really interesting perspective I hadn't considered. So essentially, I'd be slowly buying the business through my work rather than just managing it for the owner? Would this potentially have tax advantages for both of us compared to the current arrangement?
Yes, exactly. Instead of you managing someone else's business indefinitely, you'd be acquiring equity over time through your work. This can have tax advantages for both parties depending on how it's structured. For you, payments applied toward business acquisition would be building equity rather than just being compensation. For the owner, they could potentially receive capital gains treatment on the sale rather than ordinary income, which typically has more favorable tax rates. Additionally, a properly structured installment sale can spread their tax liability over multiple years.
Has anyone dealt with an IRS audit specifically looking at this issue? I'm in a similar situation where our S-Corp owners are pretty hands-off, and I've heard horror stories about the IRS reclassifying distributions when they think salary is too low.
I went through this exact audit 2 years ago. The IRS initially tried to reclassify all distributions as wages for our inactive owner. What saved us was our operating agreement that clearly defined roles, board minutes documenting the owner's transition to inactive status, and communication records showing who was actually making decisions. Make sure everything is documented contemporaneously - creating documentation after the fact if you get audited looks suspicious. And the operating agreement should explicitly state the owner's current role (or lack thereof).
ApolloJackson
Have you tried completely starting over with the healthcare section in TurboTax? Sometimes their interview gets confused if you go back and change answers. When I had this problem, I cleared the entire healthcare section and started fresh, being super careful about my answers, and it worked. Also, make sure you're indicating you had "minimum essential coverage" through a government program for all 12 months of the year. That's the magic phrase that usually prevents these 1095-A related errors.
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Emily Nguyen-Smith
ā¢I ended up trying this approach last night after seeing your comment. You were right - I deleted all the healthcare info and started fresh, being super careful about how I answered each question. The key was making sure I selected "full year coverage" through a government program AND specifically selecting "Medicaid" from the dropdown. My return got accepted this morning! Thanks for the tip about "minimum essential coverage" - I think that was the phrase I needed to look for.
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Isabella Russo
Is anyone else annoyed that TurboTax has gotten worse over the years despite charging more? Like, for a premium tax product, it should be able to handle something as common as Medicaid without throwing confusing reject codes. I'm switching to FreeTaxUSA next year.
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Rajiv Kumar
ā¢I switched to FreeTaxUSA two years ago and never looked back. It's way more straightforward about healthcare stuff, and they don't nickel and dime you for every form. I used to get so many weird errors with TurboTax.
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Isabella Russo
ā¢Good to know! I've been hesitant to switch because I've used TurboTax for like 5 years and they have all my info, but these kinds of issues plus the constant upselling is getting old. Definitely trying FreeTaxUSA next year.
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