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Another option might be looking into actual investment loans which CAN be tax deductible, but with limitations. The interest is deductible up to the amount of investment income you have. So if your investments generate $2000 in income, you can only deduct $2000 in interest payments. The key is that the loan must be specifically for investment purposes, not a general personal loan.
Thanks for this alternative suggestion! Do you know if there are specific lenders that offer these investment loans? And would Treasury bonds count as investment income for this purpose? I'm wondering if the interest from the bonds would be enough to offset the loan interest deduction limit.
Most major brokerages offer margin loans or dedicated investment loans. Firms like Charles Schwab, Fidelity, and Interactive Brokers all have these options, often with better rates than personal loans since they're secured by your portfolio. Yes, the interest from Treasury bonds would count as investment income for this purpose. However, there's still a fundamental math problem with your strategy. If your investments earn 3.34% and your loan costs 3.34%, you're basically breaking even before taxes. After paying capital gains tax on the bond interest, you'd be at a loss. The interest deduction would only recover part of that loss, not create a net gain.
Instead of using loans for tax advantages, have you looked into tax-advantaged retirement accounts? Maxing out 401k's and IRAs can give you immediate tax benefits without the risk of loans. I save almost $8000 in taxes annually just by maxing these accounts.
I've been a freelancer for years, and this is unfortunately becoming more common. Some clients think they can avoid their tax obligations by not providing their EIN/SSN, but they're just creating problems for you and themselves. One thing I didn't see mentioned yet - if you have ANY company information (business name, address, etc.), you can also file Form SS-8 with the IRS requesting a determination of worker status. This sometimes helps smoke out the proper information, as the IRS will contact them directly to determine if you were a contractor or employee. Added bonus: if they determine you should have been classified as an employee, you might save on self-employment taxes.
Isn't filing an SS-8 form basically declaring war on a client though? I've heard horror stories about businesses getting hit with huge penalties after these forms are filed. Seems like a nuclear option if you ever want to work in the industry again.
You're right that filing an SS-8 is definitely escalating the situation, and it should be a last resort after you've tried everything else. It's not something I recommend if you're concerned about maintaining relationships in your industry. However, I don't think it's fair to characterize it as "declaring war" - it's simply using the proper channels when someone is refusing to fulfill their legal obligations. The penalties only come into play if they were incorrectly classifying workers, which is a legitimate issue. But yes, there could be relationship consequences, so weigh that against the tax implications for yourself.
Just curious - did your client pay you more than $600? Because if it was less than that, they actually aren't required to provide a 1099, and you would just report it as miscellaneous income without needing their EIN/SSN.
Yeah, it was definitely above the threshold - around $5,800 total for the work. They actually did provide the 1099 form itself (which means they know they were required to), they just blacked out their own identification number on it, which is super weird.
Even if it's under $600, you still need to report the income. The $600 threshold is just for when the payer is required to send a 1099. You always have to report all income regardless of the amount.
Something similar happened to my husband. His company had a policy where final paychecks are held for two weeks after the last day to make sure all equipment is returned and accounts are closed properly. His last day was Dec 27, 2023 but his final check came Jan 10, 2024. His employer explained that for tax purposes, income is counted in the year it's paid, not necessarily when it's earned. For the 1095-C, most companies continue benefits until the end of the month when you terminate, and sometimes offer COBRA for a month or two after. That's probably why your wife got the form showing coverage availability for January and February.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Did your husband just report it as 2024 income then? Did he have to provide any special documentation with your tax return to explain the situation? I'm mostly concerned about the day they're claiming she worked when she definitely didn't.
Yes, he reported it as 2024 income since that's when the payment was received. We didn't need any special documentation - we just filed according to what was on the W2. For your specific concern about the day they claimed she worked when she didn't - that's trickier. If it's just a clerical error in how they coded the final payment, it probably doesn't matter for tax purposes. But if you're concerned someone else was using her employee number, that's worth addressing with the employer directly. Ask for detailed records of that specific day they claim she worked.
I'm an accountant and see this issue constantly. Here's what's happening: 1) The $650 was probably her final paycheck from 2017 work, but it was issued in 2018, making it 2018 income for tax purposes. 2) The specific date they're claiming she worked in January is likely just their payroll system requiring an "event date" to process a payment, and someone just picked that date. 3) The 1095-C for two months is standard - companies typically extend COBRA eligibility for a period after termination. My advice: Just report the W2 as is on your 2018 taxes. The amount is small enough that trying to get a corrected W2 will be more hassle than it's worth. If you're really concerned about the January date showing work she didn't do, request your wife's complete time records from 2017-2018 to see what's actually recorded.
is there any downside to just reporting it as is? like could this cause problems with unemployment benefits or something if they think she was employed longer?
Great question. There could potentially be an impact on unemployment benefits if she filed for them immediately after leaving in December 2017. If the system shows she was employed into January 2018, that might have delayed eligibility. However, if she didn't file for unemployment, or if that period has already passed without issues, then there's likely no downside to reporting it as is. Social Security credits and other benefits are based on total annual income, not the specific timing of employment within the year.
To add to what others have said, there's one important thing to keep in mind: if your combined income is over the threshold for "substantial presence" (which changes each year), this can further complicate how the treaty benefits apply. For 2025 filing, make sure you're tracking the number of days your wife has been in the US over the past three years. That can impact whether you can claim the full $5,000 exemption under Article 20c.
Thanks for bringing this up. My wife has been in the US continuously since 2019, so I'm guessing the substantial presence test definitely applies to her. Does this mean we might not be eligible for the full exemption amount? Or just that we need to document it differently?
Since your wife has been here since 2019, she definitely meets the substantial presence test. This doesn't mean you lose the exemption - it just confirms she should be using Form 8833 rather than 8233. The good news is that Article 20c of the US-China treaty specifically allows the $5,000 exemption for students even after they become resident aliens, as long as they're still pursuing their education. So your wife should still qualify for the full exemption regardless of how long she's been here, as long as she's still a student. Just make sure to document that she's still pursuing her education when you complete Form 8833.
Heads up that there's a difference between the fellowship income and regular employment income for treaty purposes! If the fellowship is specifically for study and research, it might qualify for different treatment under Article 20 than her regular university employment.
This is a really good point. Each type of income might need to be reported separately on Form 8833. The university should have a tax advisor who specializes in international student taxation - have you tried contacting them? Most large universities have someone who deals with this all the time.
Connor O'Reilly
Did you check the supplemental information that comes with the 1099-B? Sometimes Robinhood puts the crypto details in a separate section or additional pages. I had the same issue last year and found that they included all the crypto transaction details in what they call the "Consolidated 1099 Information" section rather than in the main form boxes.
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NeonNomad
ā¢Yes! I just double-checked and found it in the supplemental pages! There's a whole separate section for "Proceeds from Broker and Barter Exchange Transactions" that has all the info I need, including acquisition date and cost basis. Thanks for pointing this out - I was only looking at the first page.
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Connor O'Reilly
ā¢Glad you found it! Robinhood's tax documents can be confusing because they combine different forms into one package. That supplemental section is actually the most important part for crypto transactions since it contains all the details you need for Form 8949. Just make sure you're using the correct acquisition dates since that determines whether it's long-term or short-term capital gains.
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Yara Khoury
anyone else notice that robinhood sometimes gets the cost basis slightly wrong? i had to manually correct mine last year. check your transaction history in the app and compare it to what's on the form.
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Keisha Taylor
ā¢Yep, happened to me too. The cost basis on my 1099-B was off by about $25 compared to what my actual purchase price was. I had to file a Form 8949 with code B to indicate the cost basis was reported incorrectly to the IRS.
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