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Keep in mind that the "placed in service" date matters a lot for depreciation. If you started using that furniture in December 2024, you only get to claim depreciation for about 1/12 of the annual amount for that first tax year (using the half-year or mid-quarter convention, depending on when you bought it). I made this mistake my first year in business and accidentally claimed a full year of depreciation for assets I bought in November. Had to file an amended return when my accountant caught it.
Oh that's something I hadn't considered at all! I bought the furniture back in October but didn't actually set it up and start using it until November. Does the "placed in service" date mean when I bought it or when I actually started using it? And what's this half-year convention thing?
The "placed in service" date is when the property is ready and available for its intended use - so that would be November when you set it up, not when you purchased it in October. The half-year convention is a simplification rule that assumes you placed assets in service halfway through the year, regardless of when you actually started using them. So for the first year of a 7-year property with straight-line depreciation, you'd take 1/14th of the cost (half of 1/7th). However, if you place more than 40% of your total assets for the year in service during the last 3 months, you have to use the mid-quarter convention instead, which is more complicated and bases your first-year depreciation on which quarter you placed the asset in service.
Has anyone used TurboTax for calculating depreciation? I'm having trouble figuring out where to enter my office furniture and how to set up the depreciation schedule. The interview process keeps asking me confusing questions about "listed property" and "MACRS".
I use TurboTax Self-Employed and it handles depreciation pretty well. When you get to the business expenses section, there's a separate category for assets that need to be depreciated. Just follow the prompts and it'll ask for purchase date, cost, and business use percentage. It automatically applies the correct MACRS schedule for office furniture (7 years). Office furniture isn't "listed property" so you'd select "no" for that question.
I've been trading through an LLC for the past 3 years. Here's my experience: 1. Just having an LLC doesn't magically make expenses deductible - I had to demonstrate I was truly operating as a business 2. I make 15-20 trades per week consistently throughout the year 3. I maintain a separate home office exclusively for trading 4. I keep regular "business hours" for my trading activities 5. I document EVERYTHING - time spent researching, analysis methods, trading strategies My accountant says the key is treating it like a legitimate business in every way. I got audited in 2023 and successfully defended my deductions because I had meticulous records showing this wasn't just casual investing.
What about the LLC protection itself? Does it actually do anything for you besides potential tax benefits? Like protecting personal assets if a trade somehow went catastrophically wrong?
The LLC provides some asset protection, but it's limited for trading activities. It mainly protects against business creditors, but since brokerages require personal guarantees, the protection for trading losses is minimal. The main benefit was being able to establish a separate business entity for tax purposes. For catastrophic trading scenarios, the LLC wouldn't protect me from losses on trades I authorized. Where it does help is separating my trading assets from personal assets for general liability purposes. I still maintain separate accounts, separate records, and never commingle personal and business funds, which strengthens both the liability protection and the tax treatment as a business.
Something nobody's mentioned yet - you need to consider making a Section 475(f) mark-to-market election if you're serious about this. This election treats your securities as ordinary income/loss rather than capital gains/losses and is often considered evidence that you're operating as a business trader. The deadline is April 15 of the tax year (or March 15 for existing LLCs taxed as corporations). Missing this deadline can complicate your case for trader status.
Just a tip from someone who works with taxes (not for the IRS) - "accepted" just means your return passed the basic formatting and math checks. Think of it as the IRS saying "we got your paperwork and it's filled out correctly." What people really want to see is "approved" - that means the IRS has processed your return and authorized your refund. The time between accepted and approved can be anywhere from a few days to a few weeks depending on your return complexity. Even after approval, there's still a slight chance of audit, but it becomes much less likely. The IRS does most of their checking during that acceptanceβapproval window.
This is really helpful, thanks! Is there any way to check for the "approved" status, or do they only tell you once the refund is actually sent? The IRS tracker just shows "accepted" with no further details.
The "Where's My Refund" tool on the IRS website or app will update to show "approved" status once they reach that stage. It will then give you an actual refund date. Some people never see the "approved" status and just go straight to "refund sent" if the processing happens quickly. If you filed electronically with direct deposit and have a simple return, you might see your refund in your account before the tracker even updates. The tool sometimes lags behind the actual processing by a day or two. But if you're at 21+ days since acceptance with no update, that's when you might want to call and check if there's an issue.
has anyone used credit karma tax? i filed with them cuz it was free and my return was accepted like 3 days ago but idk if theres any way to check if its been approved yet? the irs website just says its still processing when i check.
Credit Karma (now Cash App Taxes) is reliable. I've used them for 3 years with no issues. Processing time has nothing to do with which software you used - it depends on your return complexity and IRS workload. Check the IRS "Where's My Refund" tool or IRS2Go app for the most current status. If it's only been 3 days since acceptance, just give it time. Most refunds come within 21 days.
Another option is to check with the real estate agent who helped you buy the property. When I was figuring out depreciation for my rental, my realtor had access to detailed MLS data that showed typical land-to-building ratios in my neighborhood. She pulled some comparable sales and gave me documentation showing that properties in my area typically had land values at 22% of the total purchase price. I've been using that percentage for 3 years now without any issues.
Can a real estate agent really provide documentation that would satisfy the IRS though? I'm worried about getting audited and having to justify my numbers.
What you want is documentation showing how you arrived at a reasonable allocation, not necessarily an official appraisal. The IRS recognizes that determining exact land values isn't an exact science. A realtor can provide comparative market analyses (CMAs) of similar properties showing their land-to-building ratios, which demonstrates you used a reasonable method based on actual market data. If you're particularly concerned about audit risk, you could have the realtor write a brief letter explaining the methodology used to determine the typical ratio in your area, and keep this with your tax records. The key is being able to show you made a good faith effort to determine an accurate and reasonable allocation, rather than just making up numbers.
Quick tip - don't forget to reset your depreciation basis when converting from primary residence to rental! You need to use the LOWER of your adjusted basis (purchase price plus improvements minus any depreciation already taken) OR the fair market value at the time of conversion. I made this mistake and had to amend returns.
Is this still true with the 2025 tax year changes? I thought there was something about this rule being modified.
Aisha Abdullah
Something everyone should know - the IRS has a First Time Penalty Abatement policy that might help in your situation! If you've had a clean tax record for the past 3 years before your unfiled return, you can often get the failure-to-file and failure-to-pay penalties waived for one tax year. This wouldn't apply to the interest that's accrued, but it could significantly reduce what you owe. You'd need to file all your back taxes first, then request the abatement either by calling the IRS or submitting a letter.
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StarSeeker
β’That's amazing! I didn't know about this policy. Do you know if it would apply to my situation since I missed 2021 and 2022? Could I get the penalties waived for just 2021 or would it not work since I missed multiple years?
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Aisha Abdullah
β’The First Time Penalty Abatement typically only applies to the first tax year in which you had an issue, so in your case, it would likely only apply to 2021. It wouldn't cover 2022 because by then, you no longer had a "clean compliance history" due to the 2021 issue. The good news is that getting the penalties waived for even one year can make a significant difference. For your 2021 tax year, this could potentially save you hundreds or even over a thousand dollars depending on your original tax amount. After you file all your returns, you can call the IRS and specifically request a "First Time Abatement" for the 2021 tax year. Just make sure you've filed all your back taxes before making the request.
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Ethan Wilson
I'm going through almost the same thing - can anyone recommend good tax software for filing previous years? I need to file 2020 and 2021 returns.
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Yuki Tanaka
β’I used FreeTaxUSA for my previous year returns and it worked great. They charge like $15 for prior year federal returns and their interface is easy to use. You just need to make sure you're in the right tax year when you start - they have separate sections for each year.
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