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Just to add another perspective - I was in a similar situation a couple years ago. For filing past Form 8606s, I actually did not get penalized when I proactively submitted them. The IRS seems more concerned that you're tracking your basis correctly than penalizing people trying to fix honest mistakes. I did all three years at once and sent them to different addresses though - they have specific instructions for where to send prior year forms. Check the IRS website for the correct mailing addresses for prior year returns.
Do you remember if you had to pay the $50 penalty for each year that Form 8606 wasn't filed? I've read conflicting things online - some say the penalty is automatically applied, others say the IRS often waives it if you voluntarily file the missing forms.
I didn't end up paying any penalties at all. I included a brief letter explaining that I hadn't been aware of the filing requirement but was now submitting the forms to properly track my basis. I believe the $50 penalty is technically on the books, but in practice, the IRS seems to be reasonable about waiving it when people proactively fix the issue. I think they care more about getting people compliant than collecting the relatively small penalty. Just make sure your calculations are accurate and consistent across all years.
For anyone else dealing with this, make sure you're using the correct Form 8606 for each tax year! The form changes slightly year to year, and you need to use the version that corresponds to the tax year you're filing for. You can find prior year forms on the IRS website by searching "Prior Year Forms 8606" - don't just use the current year form for all your back filings.
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - you should think about protecting yourself throughout this process. I reported financial wrongdoing at my company a few years ago, and even though there are supposed to be whistleblower protections, it got really uncomfortable at work. Document EVERYTHING from the moment you discovered the embezzlement. Keep copies of all communications about it. If you have emails or messages where you reported it to the owner, save those somewhere outside of your work accounts.
That's really good advice - I didn't even think about potential blowback. Did you experience retaliation at your job after reporting? I've already saved some evidence on my personal drive and took screenshots of the conversations with my boss, but I should probably be more systematic about it.
I did face some subtle retaliation. Nothing they could get in legal trouble for, but I was suddenly excluded from meetings, my ideas were dismissed, and I was passed over for a promotion that I was previously told was coming my way. Beyond what you're already doing, I'd recommend keeping a detailed journal with dates, times, and descriptions of all conversations about the embezzlement. Include who was present and what was discussed. If you have verbal conversations, follow up with an email summarizing what was discussed ("Just to confirm our conversation today about..."). This creates a paper trail. Also, familiarize yourself with whistleblower protection laws in your state, as they vary significantly. The federal protections mainly apply to government employees or contractors, not necessarily private business employees.
People are making this way more complicated than it needs to be. The 44.6% rate is just a PROPOSAL at this point - Congress hasn't passed anything, and with the current makeup of the House and Senate, it's unlikely to pass in its current form anyway. Also, historically, capital gains rates have fluctuated a lot. In the 1970s, the maximum rate was 35%. Under Reagan, capital gains were briefly taxed as ordinary income which meant rates up to 50%! So this isn't unprecedented at all. Unless you're making over $1 million annually, this whole discussion is academic anyway. Most middle-class investors will continue to pay 15% on long-term gains.
You're glossing over important context here. The economy and investment landscape in the 1970s was completely different than today. Many more middle-class people are invested in the market now through 401ks and IRAs. Plus, what starts as a tax on the wealthy often trickles down to impact everyone eventually.
You're right that the investment landscape has changed since the 1970s, but you're missing a critical point: retirement accounts like 401ks and IRAs aren't subject to capital gains taxes at all. They're either tax-deferred (traditional) or tax-free for qualified withdrawals (Roth). These proposed changes would have zero effect on most middle-class retirement savings. As for the "trickle down" tax concern, capital gains tax rates have historically been quite stable for middle income brackets. The 15% rate that most middle-class investors pay has remained consistent for decades across both Republican and Democratic administrations. The changes nearly always happen at the top brackets, not the middle ones.
Genuine question - if Biden's plan would take capital gains to 44.6%, highest since 1922, what were the rates like throughout history? Anyone know what the capital gains tax rate was under other presidents like Reagan, Clinton or Obama?
The capital gains tax rate has varied significantly throughout history. Under Reagan, the Tax Reform Act of 1986 actually raised the maximum capital gains rate to 28% (up from 20%). Under Clinton, it was lowered to 20% in 1997. George W. Bush reduced it to 15% in 2003. Under Obama, it went up to 20% for high earners, plus the 3.8% Net Investment Income Tax was added as part of the Affordable Care Act, bringing the effective rate to 23.8% for high-income individuals. The highest capital gains rate was actually around 35% in the late 1970s before Reagan's first round of tax cuts. The 44.6% rate would indeed be the highest since the tax was created, though it would only apply to those making over $1 million annually.
Thanks for that historical breakdown! Really helpful to see how the rates have changed over different administrations. So if I understand correctly, we've basically been in the 15-28% range for most modern history, with some additional taxes added more recently that brought it to around 23.8% for high earners. The proposed 44.6% would be a significant jump from where we've been for the last several decades, even if it only affects millionaires. I'm curious to see if Congress will actually pass something this high or if they'll negotiate it down.
Check your divorce decree! Mine specifically stated how tax refunds or liabilities from joint returns would be handled even after the divorce was final. The language in that legal document will likely override general tax guidance. Also, in my state, money used to pay a marital debt (which the incorrectly assessed tax was) that comes back as a refund is typically considered marital property subject to division, regardless of whose name is on the court case. But this varies a lot by state.
Does it matter that she refused to participate in the tax court case though? Seems unfair if she gets half when she thought it was a waste of time and wouldn't help.
While it seems unfair, her refusal to participate in the tax court case typically wouldn't eliminate her right to part of the refund. Courts generally look at the source of the funds used to pay the original tax bill (joint savings in your case) rather than who pursued getting it back. Think of it this way - if you had a joint debt that she paid from joint funds, and later you discovered an error and got a refund, the nature of the original payment (joint funds for a joint liability) usually determines how courts view the refund. Your efforts to secure the refund might entitle you to compensation for your time and costs, but the underlying refund typically remains jointly owned if it came from a joint return paid with joint funds.
i went thru something similar last yr... my advice is DON'T TOUCH THAT MONEY until u talk to ur divorce lawyer!! i deposited a tax refund check and spent it, then got in huge trouble with the judge later. they made me pay my ex half PLUS a penalty. not worth it!!!
What kind of penalty did they give you? Was it just interest or something more?
Laila Prince
Has anyone actually checked their state's tax laws? I'm in Tennessee and sales tax DOES apply to warranty deductibles here because they consider it part of a "repair service" which is taxable. But my cousin in Oregon said they don't have any sales tax on services at all. So it probably depends on where you live.
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Isabel Vega
ā¢I'm in California and had this exact same issue! When I called the warranty company they explained that in California, labor for repairs is taxable, so even though the deductible is a flat fee, they have to charge tax because it's considered payment toward the labor portion of the repair. Super annoying but apparently legal here.
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Laila Prince
ā¢That's a great point about checking the specific state laws. Tennessee definitely taxes almost all services, which is why we see it on warranty work. California's system makes sense too - if the deductible is specifically allocated toward labor rather than being a general "access fee," then it would fall under service taxation rules in states that tax labor.
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Dominique Adams
My brother works for a home warranty company and he said this is actually pretty common. The deductible itself isn't taxed, but the SERVICE provided is taxable in many states. So they're not taxing your deductible fee - they're charging you tax on the service being provided, and you're just paying a portion of it through your deductible.
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Marilyn Dixon
ā¢That explanation actually makes the most sense. So its not that the deductible itself is taxed, it's that we're paying for a portion of a taxable service?
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