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One solution that worked for our family farm was negotiating a "guaranteed payment" instead of relying solely on distributions. A guaranteed payment is like a salary that gets paid regardless of profitability, and while it's still taxable, at least you actually RECEIVE the money to pay those taxes. Talk to the managing partners about amending the operating agreement to include this provision. We did this after three cousins nearly had to sell their shares because they couldn't afford the tax burden.
How exactly do you bring this up without causing family drama? My father-in-law gets defensive whenever I mention anything about the business structure or distributions.
The key is framing it as a business sustainability issue rather than a personal complaint. I approached it by saying: "For the business to thrive long-term, all owners need to be able to maintain their ownership without financial hardship." I also found it helpful to bring some documentation from our accountant explaining how other family businesses handle this common issue. When presented as a standard business practice rather than a criticism, it was received much better. Sometimes having a neutral third party (like an accountant) suggest these changes can remove the emotional element from the discussion.
Have you looked into whether you qualify for any deductions related to the business that might offset some of that tax burden? Since you're technically a business owner through those shares, you might be able to deduct certain expenses.
This is good advice. When I was in a similar situation, I was able to deduct a portion of my home office, travel to business meetings, and some professional development costs. It didn't solve the whole problem, but it reduced the tax hit by about 30%.
I hadn't even thought about deductions! I work from home occasionally on stuff related to the orchard (mostly bookkeeping and some marketing). Would that count toward a home office deduction? And we drive about 80 miles round trip to visit the orchard like 6-7 times a year.
Make sure you also look at what counts as a "statutory resident" in the states you're dealing with. In many states, if you maintain a permanent place of abode AND spend more than 183 days there, you can be considered a resident for tax purposes even if it's not your domicile. In NY specifically, they're super strict about this. If you hit that 184th day in NY with a place to stay there, they'll tax you as a resident even if your domicile is elsewhere. Some people literally track their days with GPS to prove where they were!
Whoa I had no idea about the 183 days thing! Is that calendar days or business days? And what counts as a "permanent place of abode"? Like if I'm renting a room would that count?
It's 184 calendar days (not just business days) - and partial days usually count as full days in NY. So if you cross into NY for lunch, that potentially counts as a full NY day. A "permanent place of abode" is usually any place you have regular access to that's suitable for year-round use - so yes, a rented room would typically count. It doesn't need to be owned by you or even paid for by you. If you have a key and regular access, it could qualify. NY is particularly aggressive about auditing people who claim to live elsewhere but work in NY. They've even been known to check your E-ZPass records, cell phone records, and credit card statements to verify your whereabouts! If you're close to that 183-day threshold, document everything.
Something nobody's mentioned yet - check whether your states have a reciprocal tax agreement! Some neighboring states have agreements that let you pay taxes only to your home state even if you work in the other state. For example, PA has agreements with IN, MD, NJ, OH, VA, and WV. But importantly, PA does NOT have one with NY, which is relevant to your situation.
Good point! This is why state-specific advice is so important. I'm in Illinois but work in Wisconsin, and they have a reciprocal agreement so I only pay IL taxes despite earning income in WI. Saves me from filing two state returns.
Just want to add that this is one reason why many small LLCs elect S-Corp status once they're profitable. With an S-Corp, you can take part of your money as salary (which is subject to self-employment tax) and leave the rest in the business as retained earnings (which avoids SE tax). With a partnership, all allocated income (even if retained in the business) is potentially subject to self-employment tax for general partners. Something to consider if your LLC continues to grow.
That's interesting about the S-Corp option. How difficult is it to change from partnership to S-Corp? Are there minimum salary requirements we would need to be aware of? Our LLC is still pretty small but we're planning for growth.
Converting from a partnership to an S-Corp isn't particularly difficult. You file Form 8832 to elect to be taxed as a corporation, then file Form 2553 to elect S-Corp status. It can be done any time, but if you want it effective for the current tax year, there are deadlines to be aware of. For salary requirements, the IRS expects S-Corp owners to take a "reasonable salary" based on market rates for the work you do. There's no specific minimum, but it needs to be defensible if questioned. Too low a salary raises red flags because it looks like you're trying to avoid payroll taxes. For a small business, even a modest salary that's in line with what you'd pay someone else for the same work should satisfy the requirement.
Pro tip: Set aside money for taxes as you go! Even though the cash stays in your business account, each partner will owe taxes on their 25% share. I made this mistake my first year and had a surprise tax bill with no cash distribution to cover it. Some partnerships actually do a small tax distribution just to cover the partners' tax obligations on phantom income. Might be worth discussing with your partners for next year.
To directly answer your question - the American Opportunity Credit has a lifetime limit of 4 years per student. It doesn't matter who claims it (you or your parents), what matters is that it can only be claimed 4 times total for each eligible student. You need to find out exactly how many years your parents claimed it for you. If they claimed it all 4 years already, then you can't claim it again, even if you're now independent. But if they only claimed it for 3 years or less, you could potentially claim it for your remaining eligible year(s), assuming you meet all other requirements. The Lifetime Learning Credit might be an alternative option if you're no longer eligible for the AOC.
Thanks for this clear explanation! Do you know if there's any way I can find out exactly how many years my parents claimed it without asking their accountant? And would the Lifetime Learning Credit be worth looking into if I'm no longer eligible for AOC?
The easiest way to find out how many years your parents claimed the AOC without asking their accountant would be to ask your parents to request a tax transcript from the IRS for the relevant years. They can do this online through the IRS website and it would show if they claimed the credit. The Lifetime Learning Credit is definitely worth looking into if you're no longer eligible for the AOC. While the AOC provides a maximum credit of $2,500 per eligible student, the Lifetime Learning Credit offers up to $2,000 per tax return (not per student). The Lifetime Learning Credit has no limit on the number of years you can claim it, and it can be used for undergraduate, graduate and professional degree courses. It has lower income limits and a smaller percentage of qualified expenses covered (20% vs. 100% for the first $2,000 for AOC), but it's a good alternative if you've exhausted your AOC eligibility.
just fyi, the whole "am i dependent or not" question is different from whether u can claim the credit. if ur parents provided more than half ur support (including housing!!) for the yr then ur still a dependent regardless of if ur working full-time a lot of ppl miss this. the rules r kinda complicated but basically u need to add up ALL support (housing, food, tuition, insurance, etc) and if u paid for more than 50% urself, then ur independent. if not, then ur folks can still claim u as a dependent.
Mateo Gonzalez
You might want to request a hold on collections while they review your case. When I had a similar situation, I sent in Form 911 (Taxpayer Advocate Service request) and they put a temporary hold on collections while sorting everything out. The double counting of W-2s is actually a pretty common issue in their automated matching system.
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Nia Williams
β’Does requesting a hold on collections affect your credit score or create any other problems? I'm dealing with something similar but worried about making things worse.
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Mateo Gonzalez
β’Requesting a hold doesn't affect your credit score at all. The IRS doesn't report to credit agencies unless they've actually filed a tax lien, which wouldn't happen at this early stage in the process. The Taxpayer Advocate Service is actually designed specifically to help in situations like this where there's a clear error or hardship. Many people don't realize it exists, but they can be incredibly helpful when dealing with issues that aren't getting resolved through normal channels.
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Luca Ricci
Make sure u keep EVERYTHING. All paperwork, copies of letters, proof of mailing (use certified mail!), and notes from any phone calls including agent ID numbers. IRS lost my response twice before and tried to say I never responded. The burden of proof is on you unfortunately.
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Aisha Mohammed
β’This happened to me too! I sent in all the documentation and they claimed they never received it, then hit me with additional penalties. What did you end up doing to resolve it?
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