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Pro tip: when entering self-employment income in turbotax, make sure you create a SEPARATE schedule C for each different type of business activity. Don't lump everything together. My wife does hair styling plus sells products, and the IRS wants these reported as two different business activities.
One important thing about filing without 1099s - the IRS matching system won't have those earnings on file. In my experience, this can sometimes trigger a verification letter later where they ask you to confirm your income (happened to me in 2023). Don't panic if this happens - just respond with your documentation. As long as you reported everything accurately, you'll be fine. This is also why keeping good records is super important when you don't have official forms!
Don't forget about workers' comp insurance! While not technically a "tax," it's calculated based on payroll and is required in most states. The rate varies by the type of work your employees do. For a bakery, your rates might be higher than some office jobs because of potential injuries from equipment, burns, etc. Each employee's wages get multiplied by the rate for their job classification. Keep this in your calculations because it's a significant payroll expense that catches many new business owners by surprise!
Omg I didn't even think about workers comp! Do I calculate that the same way as the other payroll taxes? Is there a standard percentage for bakery workers?
You don't calculate workers comp the same way as payroll taxes. You'll need to contact an insurance provider who offers workers compensation insurance in Illinois. They'll assign classification codes based on the type of work (bakers might be code 9083) and give you a rate per $100 of payroll for each classification. The rates for bakery workers vary widely by state, but in Illinois, you might expect something around $1.50-$3.00 per $100 in payroll, depending on your claims history and other factors. So if you have $10,000 in monthly payroll, you might pay $150-$300 monthly for coverage.
Plz dont make the mistake i made... i tried to do my own payroll and messed up the calculations so bad that i ended up owing like $2300 in penalties and interest. seriously consider just paying for a payroll service like gusto or quickbooks payroll, its like $45/month + $6 per employee which seems like a lot but way cheaper than the mistakes youll probably make trust me when i say the IRS doesnt mess around with payroll taxes!!! they hit u with penalties superrr fast if u mess up
For a more formal education, check out the NAEA (National Association of Enrolled Agents) courses. I took their Tax Business 101 and S Corporation Taxation modules when I started my consulting business, and they were incredibly comprehensive. If you're looking for free options, the IRS also has a Small Business Tax Workshop that covers a lot of basics. It's not S Corp specific but covers a lot of general business tax concepts that apply.
How difficult was the NAEA content? I don't have any formal accounting background - just basic bookkeeping for my business. Would I be in over my head?
You wouldn't be in over your head with NAEA courses. They're designed to be accessible to people without accounting backgrounds, starting with fundamental concepts and building from there. Each module typically begins with basics and progressively gets more detailed. The S Corporation course specifically explains concepts like reasonable compensation and pass-through taxation in plain language before diving into the more technical aspects. They also provide plenty of real-world examples that make it easier to understand how the concepts apply to actual businesses. Most of my fellow students were business owners like yourself rather than accounting professionals.
Has anyone tried the Pronto Tax School? I heard they offer certifications that are less intensive than becoming an EA but still pretty comprehensive for business owners.
Former restaurant manager here. You're 100% correct. If tips became tax-free, owners would absolutely use it as an excuse to keep hourly wages at absolute minimum. Why? Because they could argue "hey, you're making all this tax-free money now!" The other thing nobody's talking about: tip-sharing and pooling would become a nightmare. Right now, those systems work because everything is reported. Take away the reporting requirement and suddenly there's no accountability for how much is actually being collected and distributed. I've seen how restaurant owners operate, and I guarantee many would find ways to manipulate a tax-free system to their advantage, not the employees'.
Do you think this would affect different types of restaurants differently? Like would high-end places where servers make $300+ per night handle it differently than diners where tips might be way smaller?
Absolutely. High-end establishments would likely see even more dramatic effects. In fine dining where servers can make $70,000-$100,000 annually primarily through tips, the impact on lending, retirement, and benefits would be catastrophic. Their reported income would suddenly appear to be just $15,000-$20,000 on paper. Smaller diners and casual places would still see negative effects, but the dollar amount difference wouldn't be as extreme. However, servers at these establishments often rely more heavily on programs like EITC and healthcare subsidies, which are all income-based. So while the absolute numbers might be smaller, the relative impact on their financial lives could actually be worse.
Has anyone done the actual math on this? I'm curious how much tax you actually pay on tips vs how much you'd lose in benefits.
I did the calculations for my situation. Last year I made about $42k total, with $35k from tips. I paid roughly $4,800 in federal taxes on that income. But I received $2,300 in EITC and child tax credits. I also qualified for a $1,200/month apartment based on that income and got approved for a car loan at 5.9% interest. If only my hourly wage counted ($7k), I'd save $4,800 in taxes but lose $2,300 in credits. Plus my apartment application would be rejected (they require income 3x rent) and my car loan interest would jump to 18.5% as a "high-risk" borrower. Not worth it at all.
Evan Kalinowski
One thing nobody's mentioned - OP, you should see if your daughter's graduate program qualifies for the student loan interest deduction down the road. That's available even if she's not your dependent and even if you help her make payments. My daughter finished her master's program last year and even though she wasn't my dependent during school, I help her with loan payments, and she can deduct up to $2,500 of the interest on her taxes. It's an "above-the-line" deduction too which is nice. Just something to consider for future tax years!
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Victoria Charity
ā¢Does this student loan interest deduction phase out at certain income levels? My son makes about $75k at his new job after grad school but still has tons of student loans.
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Evan Kalinowski
ā¢Yes, the student loan interest deduction starts phasing out at $75,000 of modified adjusted gross income for single filers ($155,000 for married filing jointly) and completely phases out at $90,000 ($185,000 for married couples). If your son is right at the $75k threshold, he might still get a partial deduction. He should definitely look into it because every bit helps with those loan payments. Also worth noting that unlike some deductions, he can take this even if he doesn't itemize, which is really helpful for younger people who typically take the standard deduction.
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Jasmine Quinn
Does your daughter qualify as your dependent? The tuition and fees deduction expired after 2020, but if she qualifies as your dependent, you might be eligible for the Lifetime Learning Credit which covers graduate education.
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Oscar Murphy
ā¢The Tuition and Fees deduction has been gone for a while now, but the Lifetime Learning Credit was actually expanded in recent years. It's worth up to 20% of the first $10k in qualified education expenses.
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