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One thing to consider with your basis carryforward situation is whether you have any other traditional IRA assets. The pro-rata rule could make this more complicated. If you have other pre-tax money in any Traditional, SEP or SIMPLE IRAs, you won't be able to just convert the non-deductible portion. You'll have to convert a proportional amount of pre-tax money too, which creates a tax liability. For example, if you have $5,000 in non-deductible contributions (your basis) and $45,000 in pre-tax traditional IRA money, any conversion will be 10% tax-free and 90% taxable because of the pro-rata rule. Many people overlook this when doing backdoor Roth conversions and end up with unexpected tax bills.

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I fortunately don't have any other traditional IRA assets - I've always used my 401k for pre-tax retirement savings and only opened the traditional IRA temporarily for the backdoor process. So I think I'm ok on the pro-rata rule, but that's definitely an important point for others to consider. Actually, I'm wondering if there's any advantage to purposely waiting until the market goes up before doing the conversion next time? That way I could potentially use up some of this basis carryforward?

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Intentionally waiting for the market to go up before converting could help use up your basis carryforward, but it comes with risks. The longer you wait to convert, the more potential tax liability you could create if investments grow substantially before conversion. Remember that any growth that occurs while the money sits in the traditional IRA will be taxable when you convert. So while waiting might help with the basis issue, it could create a different tax problem. Most financial advisors recommend doing the conversion quickly after contribution to minimize taxable growth. It's usually a better strategy to just continue with regular backdoor contributions and let the basis work itself out over time rather than trying to time the market for tax purposes.

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Can someone explain how to calculate the amount that gets carried forward when doing the Form 8606? I'm about to do my first backdoor Roth and want to understand this better.

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The basis carryforward calculation happens on Form 8606. If you contribute $6,000 (non-deductible) to a traditional IRA but the value drops to $5,500 before you convert to Roth, you'll have: - Line 5: $6,000 (your non-deductible contribution) - Line 8: $5,500 (the amount you actually converted) - Line 9: $0 (assuming no previous basis) - Line 10: $6,000 (from line 5) - Line 11: 1.000 (divide line 10 by line 8, but capped at 1.000) - Line 13: $5,500 (line 8 Ɨ line 11) - Line 14: $500 (line 10 minus line 13) That $500 on line 14 is your basis carryforward to next year's Form 8606.

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Zara Malik

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One thing to watch out for with Airbnb rentals is the personal use calculation. If you or family members use it for more than 14 days OR more than 10% of the days it's rented out (whichever is greater), it's considered a mixed-use property and the depreciation rules change slightly. In your case, with 74% rental usage, you need to determine if the other 26% was simply vacant or if it included personal use days. If you personally used it for more than about 27 days (10% of the 74% rented days, assuming a full year), then you need to allocate expenses differently.

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Thanks for pointing this out! Of the 26% non-rental time, we probably used it personally for about 20 days total throughout the year. The rest was just vacancy between bookings. Does that change how I should handle the depreciation?

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Zara Malik

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Since you used it for 20 days personally and that's less than both 14 days and 10% of your rental days, you're still in the clear to treat it as a regular rental property. Your depreciation calculation remains the same - you can deduct 74% of the annual depreciation amount. Remember though, when allocating other expenses like utilities and maintenance, you'll need to use the 74% factor consistently. And keep good records of personal use days versus rental days versus vacant days, as the IRS might ask for this documentation if you're ever audited.

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Luca Greco

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Just a heads up - don't forget to report all your Airbnb income! They now send 1099-K forms to the IRS for any amount earned, so everything is tracked. But on the plus side, you get all these great deductions like depreciation to offset that income.

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Nia Thompson

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Is that true for 2024 taxes? I thought there was still a $600 threshold before they send a 1099-K?

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Something similar happened to me, and I found out it was because I didn't include my SSN on every page of the documents I sent in. Apparently if they can't immediately identify who the paperwork belongs to, it sits in a pile somewhere. When you resend your documentation, make sure your SSN, the tax year, and the notice number appear on EVERY SINGLE PAGE. Also include a copy of the notice itself as the first page of your package. I learned this trick from my aunt who worked at the IRS for 20 years.

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That's a great tip! I definitely didn't put my SSN on every page, just on the cover letter and the forms. Do you know if there's any specific format they prefer for this info? Like should it be in the header or just handwritten at the top?

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The IRS prefers it in the upper right corner of each page. You can handwrite it or type it, but make sure it's clear and includes both the SSN and the tax year in question. Something like "SSN: XXX-XX-XXXX Tax Year: 2021" is perfect. Also, don't staple anything! Use paper clips if you need to keep pages together. Staples slow down their processing because they have to remove them to scan everything.

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Zara Ahmed

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Has anyone mentioned the Taxpayer Advocate Service yet? They can sometimes help in situations like this where there's been an obvious breakdown in normal IRS processes. They won't represent you like a tax attorney, but they can often cut through red tape and get someone at the IRS to actually look at your case. They're free to use and pretty effective for situations exactly like yours. Google "Taxpayer Advocate Service" + your state to find the contact info for your local office.

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StarStrider

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TAS has been swamped since the pandemic. I tried using them last year and they told me they were only taking "hardship" cases where people were facing immediate financial harm. Worth a try though!

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My sister went through this exact situation with her now-husband. One thing nobody's mentioned yet - if your partner had legitimate business expenses during those cash-payment years, they might actually owe a lot less than you think. Self-employed people can deduct business expenses, home office, mileage, etc. The biggest shock they got was actually from state taxes, not federal. Their state had much higher penalties than the IRS. Definitely look into your specific state's policies on late filing.

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Chloe Wilson

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That's a really good point about business expenses! My partner definitely had work-related costs during those years, like tools and supplies. Do you know if they can still claim those deductions when filing so late? And did your sister's husband end up having to file for all the missing years?

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Yes, they can still claim legitimate business deductions when filing late returns. The key is having some form of documentation or reasonable estimates that could be justified if questioned. Even if they don't have perfect records, they should make reasonable estimates of business expenses rather than filing as if they had none. My sister's husband ended up filing 7 years back (which was what the IRS requested when they contacted him). The IRS was primarily concerned with the most recent years and years where he had significant income. They worked out a payment plan and the whole process was less catastrophic than they initially feared.

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Just FYI - claiming "exempt" on W-4 forms when you don't qualify is a big red flag to the IRS. It's not just "oops I forgot to file" but actively avoiding withholding. Your partner needs to stop doing this immediately! They should submit a new W-4 to their employer ASAP with the correct information. Also, you mentioned buying a house next year - that might be challenging with this tax situation hanging over you. Mortgage lenders typically require tax transcripts, and they'll see the unfiled years.

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Ethan Brown

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This is true but a bit alarmist. Yes, improperly claiming exempt is an issue, but the IRS distinguishes between tax avoidance (legal but aggressive) and tax evasion (illegal). Most cases like this end up as civil matters with penalties and interest, not criminal tax evasion charges.

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Lourdes Fox

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Something no one has mentioned yet: make sure you're documenting the exact fair market value of the stocks on the date of transfer. You'll need this for your records even if the gift is under the annual exclusion amount. Also consider the practical aspects - will your daughter have a brokerage account that can hold US stocks? Some foreign brokerages won't accept transfers of US securities. We had to open a special international account for my daughter in Australia before we could transfer any assets to her.

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Nolan Carter

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That's such a good point about the brokerage account! We hadn't even considered that her local bank might not be able to receive the stocks. Did you have to set up the international account from the US side or did your daughter have to do it locally?

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Lourdes Fox

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We had to coordinate from both sides. My daughter had to open a specific type of account with a brokerage in Australia that had international capabilities. Then on our end, we had to complete special transfer forms with our US brokerage that included her foreign account details and some extra documentation verifying her identity. It wasn't particularly difficult, but it did take about 3 weeks to get everything set up properly. Her brokerage also required documentation showing the origin of the assets (basically proving they were a gift and not some kind of suspicious transfer). Just make sure to start the process well before you want to actually transfer the stocks.

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Has anyone considered the daughter's tax situation in Bermuda? I'm not familiar with their tax laws specifically, but some countries have different rules for receiving foreign assets as gifts. Might be worth checking if there are any reporting requirements or taxes on her end.

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Good point! Bermuda actually has no income tax, capital gains tax, or gift tax. It's basically a tax haven which makes it pretty ideal for receiving assets. She might still need to report foreign accounts depending on local regulations, but tax-wise she's in a pretty advantageous position.

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