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Another important thing to consider here is commingling funds. When you take money from personal stock trading and put it into your LLC, you need to properly document it as either: 1) A capital contribution to your business (doesn't reduce your tax on the stock gains) 2) A loan to your business (still doesn't reduce your tax on stock gains) If you don't properly document this transfer, you risk "piercing the corporate veil" which could eliminate the liability protection your LLC provides. This is separate from the tax issue, but equally important!
Thanks for pointing this out! I hadn't even considered the liability aspect. So how should I properly document the transfer if I decide to move some of my stock profits into my business? Is there a specific form or process?
You should create a written resolution documenting the capital contribution or a formal loan agreement if it's structured as a loan. For a capital contribution, create a simple document stating the amount, date, and purpose that you're contributing capital to the business. Keep this with your company records. If you structure it as a loan, create a proper loan document with terms, interest rate (use the applicable federal rate at minimum), and repayment schedule. Then make sure your business actually makes the payments according to the schedule. This is more complicated but can be advantageous in certain situations if you want to pull the money back out later without tax consequences.
Curious - has anyone used TurboTax to handle this kind of situation with stock gains and LLC expenses? Does it give clear guidance on how to keep these separate or do you need something more specialized?
I used TurboTax last year with a similar situation. It does have separate sections for capital gains and business expenses, but it doesn't specifically guide you on the relationship between them. I had to know myself that they needed to be reported separately. The software doesn't warn you about taking stock profits and using them for business stuff - you have to understand that concept yourself.
One thing nobody has mentioned yet - did you perhaps make any large one-time payments that resulted in big deductions? Things like: - Making a large charitable donation - Paying points on a new mortgage - Having major medical expenses - Making a large retirement contribution Sometimes these one-time events can cause a big refund that won't repeat next year. If that's the case, you might not need to adjust your W4s as dramatically.
No, we didn't have any unusually large deductions or one-time payments. We just have the standard mortgage interest deduction, and we each contribute to our 401ks at work but nothing extraordinary. We've been in the same house for 5 years and our medical expenses were minimal. I think you guys hit the nail on the head about the dual income thing. We're both making good salaries but neither of us checked the box for "multiple jobs or spouse works" on our W4s. I'm going to have us both submit new W4s with that box checked and see if that helps!
Have you checked if your employers are using outdated W-4 forms? In 2020, the IRS completely redesigned the W-4 form and eliminated allowances. Some companies were slow to update their systems. If you're still using the old form with allowances, that could explain the over-withholding. The new form is much more straightforward for married couples with multiple incomes.
Just to add another option - if you used TurboTax and paid for it but didn't file, you can also try calling their customer support directly. They have access to your account history and can sometimes help recover forms even from several years back. I had to do this for a 2018 return last year and they were actually pretty helpful.
Do you remember what number you called? I tried their general support line and got stuck in an automated system that wasn't helpful at all.
I used 1-800-446-8848 which is their customer service line specifically for account issues. When you call, say "account help" or "speak to a representative" to bypass most of the automated system. Be prepared to verify your identity with things like your name, address, and the email you used to create your TurboTax account. Having your Social Security number handy helps too. The wait times can be long during tax season, but if you call early in the morning right when they open, it's usually much shorter.
PSA: If you never filed your 2019 taxes and you were OWED a refund, you only have until April 15, 2023 to file and claim it! After 3 years, unclaimed refunds become property of the US Treasury.
Have you looked into tax software that lets you prepare everything yourself but then just pay a smaller fee for only the e-filing portion? Some programs let you work through everything for free, then charge $15-20 just for the state and federal transmission rather than the full $50+ for the complete service. Might be a middle ground between completely free paper filing and the more expensive full-service options.
I didn't know that was an option! Most of the ones I looked at wanted the full payment upfront before even starting. Do you have specific ones you'd recommend that let you pay just for the filing part? I've already filled out all my forms so I'm really just looking for the electronic submission part.
FreeTaxUSA is pretty good for this approach. You can complete your federal return for free, then it's just $15 for the state portion. Some others like TaxAct and TaxSlayer have similar options where the federal basic filing is free and you just pay for state. If you've literally already completed the physical forms with a pen, then using the IRS Free File Fillable Forms mentioned above is your best bet. You'll just need to transfer the information from your paper forms to the electronic versions. There's a bit of duplicate work, but it's free and gives you the e-file benefits.
Don't forget to make copies of everything before mailing!!! Learned this the hard way when the IRS claimed they never received my return two years ago and I had no proof. Such a nightmare. Also if ur expecting a refund, paper filing will slow it down by weeks or months compared to e-filing.
Nia Harris
Anyone know if there's a way to check if your beneficial ownership information report was successfully processed after submission? I filed for all three of my companies last week after the Supreme Court lifted the stay on the Corporate Transparency Act, but I'm nervous the system might have glitched with all these legal flip-flops.
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GalaxyGazer
ā¢FinCEN's website states that you should receive a confirmation number immediately after submission. They've also indicated they'll send an email confirmation to the address you provided during filing. If you got the confirmation number, you should be good. I'd screenshot or save that somewhere for your records.
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Nia Harris
ā¢I did get confirmation numbers for each filing, but I was hoping there might be some kind of portal where you can log in and verify everything is properly recorded in their system. Guess I'll just hang onto those confirmation numbers as proof I complied with the Corporate Transparency Act reporting requirements while they were active. Thanks for confirming!
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Mateo Sanchez
Let's talk about what happens if the Corporate Transparency Act is struck down later AFTER you've already filed your beneficial ownership information. Does FinCEN delete all the data they've collected? Or do they keep it even if the law is invalidated? That's what worries me most about all this back and forth.
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Aisha Mahmood
ā¢Great question. From what I understand, if the CTA is ultimately struck down, there would likely be instructions from the court about what happens to already-submitted data. In similar situations with other agencies, courts have sometimes ordered collected information to be deleted or segregated. But it's not guaranteed.
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