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One thing to consider - if your friend is giving you $15k specifically for the business and not just giving you money personally that you choose to put in your business, the IRS might view this differently. The intent and documentation matters a lot here. If the money is clearly meant for business purposes from the start, you might want to consider formalizing it as either: 1) A documented interest-free loan, or 2) An actual investment where they get a tiny percentage of ownership Either approach might actually be cleaner from a tax perspective than trying to classify it as a gift if it's really intended for business purposes.
Thanks for bringing this up - I'm a bit confused now. Would it create problems if he specifically wants the money to go toward my business but doesn't want anything in return? He genuinely just wants to help me get started, not become a business partner or lender. What documentation would make the most sense in this case?
If he truly wants nothing in return and is giving the money to you personally (not to your business entity), then a gift is still appropriate. Have him write the check to you personally, not to your business name. Create a simple gift letter that clearly states it's a gift with no expectation of repayment, ownership, or any other benefit. After receiving the gift personally, you then make the decision to invest that money into your business as a capital contribution. This two-step approach makes it clearer that the money was first a personal gift to you, which you then chose to put into your business. Maintain separate documentation for each step - the gift from friend to you, and your capital contribution to your business. This separation helps establish that it was truly a personal gift that you independently decided to use for business purposes.
Has anyone else dealt with a situation where a friend gave money as a "gift" but later started acting like they owned part of the business? I didn't have good documentation and now it's super awkward. Make sure you get everything in writing no matter what!!!!
This happened to my brother! His college roommate "gifted" him $10k to start his landscaping business but then started showing up at client meetings and telling people he was a "partner." Total nightmare that ended their friendship. Definitely get crystal clear documentation.
Just want to add my two cents as someone who's been filing S-corp returns for my business for 7 years. The first year is definitely the hardest! There's a learning curve, but once you understand the basic concepts, it gets much easier. If you decide to do it yourself, make sure you understand: 1) How to allocate between reasonable salary and distributions 2) Keeping business and personal expenses separate 3) Quarterly estimated tax payments 4) Payroll tax requirements The software I use (TaxAct) actually has decent guidance for S-corps and is way cheaper than hiring an accountant. I'd say give it a try yourself first, and if you get stuck, you can always hire help for the complicated parts.
Thanks for the advice! Did you use any specific resources to learn about the S-corp requirements when you first started? And approximately how much extra time did it add to your tax preparation compared to just doing personal returns?
When I first started, I found the IRS's "Tax Information For S Corporations" publication really helpful, along with some YouTube videos from CPAs. The Small Business Administration website also has good resources. As for time commitment, my first year doing S-corp returns took about an extra 8-10 hours beyond my normal personal returns. There was a lot of learning and double-checking. Now I can knock it out in about 3-4 extra hours each year. The key is keeping good records throughout the year - that makes tax time so much easier! If your husband's businesses have clean bookkeeping, you're already halfway there.
Be careful about DIY with S-corps! I tried doing mine myself last year and missed the requirement to pay myself a "reasonable salary" - took too much in distributions instead. Ended up with an IRS notice and had to pay additional self-employment taxes plus penalties. S-corps have specific rules that personal returns don't. Honestly, the money I "saved" by not hiring an accountant ended up costing me three times as much in the end.
Let me add something that nobody has mentioned yet - make sure you're filling out Part IV of Schedule C where you answer questions about material participation and whether you started or acquired this business during the tax year. Many people skip this section, but it's crucial for establishing that this was a legitimate business activity, especially when you're showing losses. Also, consider adding a statement to your return that explains your business plan and why you reasonably anticipated making a profit eventually. This proactive documentation can help if questions come up later.
Would you recommend attaching some kind of profit projection or business plan to my return? I did have one when I started, showing how I planned to monetize once I hit certain view thresholds. Just wasn't sure if that would help or draw more attention to the loss.
I wouldn't attach the full business plan to your return as that might actually draw unnecessary attention. Instead, keep it with your tax records in case of an audit. What can be helpful is a brief statement with your return explaining the nature of your business, that you operated with an intent to profit, and mentioning that you have documentation of your business plan and efforts. This shows you're aware of the requirements without overwhelming the initial filing with extra documents.
Has anyone mentioned the potential impact on your Social Security earnings? If you're offsetting your W2 income with Schedule C losses, it could reduce your Social Security wages and potentially lower your future benefits. Something to consider when claiming significant business losses against high W2 income.
This is actually a common misconception. Schedule C losses don't reduce your Social Security wages from W2 employment. Your W2 income is still fully reported for Social Security purposes regardless of Schedule C losses. The losses might reduce your overall income tax, but your Social Security contributions and credits remain based on your W2 earnings.
One thing nobody's mentioned - if your donation to the school was for a raffle, you need to be extra careful. The IRS treats raffles differently than regular donations. The school should have given you documentation that specifically states the donation was for a charitable fundraiser. Just make sure the letter doesn't say it was a "raffle prize" but rather a "donation of goods to support educational fundraising" or something similar. It's a small distinction but can matter if you get audited.
Thanks for bringing this up! The letter they gave me does say "donation to support school fundraising activities" and doesn't specifically mention raffle or prize. So I'm guessing that's the right wording? Should I request any additional documentation from them before filing?
That wording sounds perfect! It acknowledges your charitable intent while not specifically tying it to the raffle mechanism. You should be good to go with that documentation. I wouldn't request additional paperwork as that might just complicate things. Just make sure you have your receipts showing your costs alongside the donation acknowledgment letter. For business expenses under $250, the documentation requirements aren't as strict, but since your total was $275, having both the letter and receipts provides the complete documentation package you'd need in case of questions.
Does anyone know if there's a minimum donation amount for taking the business deduction? I donated a small basket worth about $50 to my kid's soccer team fundraiser and wonder if it's even worth tracking.
There's no minimum for business deductions. But honestly for $50, you might spend more time documenting it than it's worth in tax savings. If your tax rate is say 20%, you're talking about saving $10. But if you're already tracking all expenses carefully anyway, might as well include it!
Amara Okafor
10 Does anyone know if this affects backdoor Roth IRA contributions? I'm planning to do one this year since I'm over the income limit, but now I'm worried about calculating the basis correctly.
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Amara Okafor
β’3 Yes, this is related but slightly different. With backdoor Roth, you make a non-deductible Traditional IRA contribution first, then convert it to a Roth. You'll need to file Form 8606 to report the non-deductible contribution. For basis calculation: your basis in the Traditional IRA is what you've contributed after-tax (non-deductible contributions). When you convert to Roth, you'll pay taxes on any earnings plus any pre-tax money in ANY Traditional IRA accounts you have (pro-rata rule).
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Amara Okafor
β’10 Thanks! I didn't realize I needed to file Form 8606 for the backdoor Roth. And I completely forgot about the pro-rata rule. I have an old Traditional IRA from a 401k rollover that would definitely complicate things.
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Amara Okafor
22 Just wanted to share what I learned handling a similar situation with Fidelity last year. If you call Fidelity directly, they can actually recode the distribution as a "return of excess contributions" which gives you the proper coding on your 1099-R for next year. Too late for 2023 obviously, but might help someone in the future!
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Amara Okafor
β’1 That's really helpful to know! I wonder if I can still call Fidelity now about my 2023 distribution and have them update the coding retroactively? Has anyone tried this?
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