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For future reference, try to avoid using payment processors like PayPal, Venmo, or Cash App for non-business transactions if you have a business account with them. These platforms are required to report transactions to the IRS once they exceed certain thresholds, but they have no way of distinguishing between actual income and personal transfers/loans. If you must use these services for personal transactions, consider setting up a separate personal account. The reporting thresholds are different for personal accounts in some cases, and it makes accounting much cleaner.
Definitely learning this lesson the hard way! Would a wire transfer or direct bank deposit have avoided this issue entirely? Or would any large deposit potentially trigger scrutiny?
A direct bank transfer, wire transfer, or even a personal check would have completely avoided this issue. Those methods don't generate 1099-Ks because they're not payment processors - they're just moving money between accounts. Bank deposits over $10,000 do trigger a Currency Transaction Report (CTR), but that's just an anti-money laundering measure and doesn't affect your taxes. It's not reported as income. The only real concern with bank transfers is if you have mysterious large deposits with no explanation, which might raise questions during an audit - but a documented loan with repayment terms wouldn't be a problem.
Has anyone considered that this is actually a great problem to have? I know it's annoying but think about it - you got a $15,000 loan from family without a credit check, application fees, or interest! Most small businesses would kill for that kind of arrangement! The tax headache is a pain, but with proper documentation, you're not actually paying taxes on it. And now you know for next time to use a different transfer method. Win-win if you ask me!
The optimism is nice but maybe not helpful for someone facing potential tax issues lol. Interest-free family loans are great until the IRS questions them and potentially recharacterizes them as gifts with gift tax implications.
You make a fair point! I just think sometimes we get so caught up in the tax complications that we forget to appreciate the underlying financial benefit. Interest-free capital is incredibly valuable to a small business. But you're right that proper documentation is essential. Even with family loans, it's worth taking the time to create a simple promissory note with reasonable interest (even if minimal) to avoid any gift tax complications. The small amount of interest is still way cheaper than commercial financing.
Some practical advice - make sure you keep documentation of EVERYTHING. I had a similar situation (though not as long-term as yours) and when it eventually got resolved, I needed to prove I had been trying to fix it all along. Save copies of: - All letters from the IRS - Dates and times of phone calls - Names of representatives you speak with - Copies of any refund checks you receive - Your tax returns showing you didn't claim these payments If someone is using your SSN by mistake to make payments, this documentation will protect you if the IRS ever questions why you received and cashed refunds.
Thanks for the advice about documentation. I've kept all the IRS letters so far, but haven't been great about noting down phone call details. Going to start doing that immediately. Do you think I should deposit the refund checks or hold off until this gets sorted out?
You should definitely deposit the refund checks - they'll expire if you wait too long. Just make sure you keep copies of them first. The IRS has already determined those refunds are rightfully yours based on the returns you filed. If it turns out later that someone was legitimately trying to pay your taxes (like a family member trying to help), you can always work out repayment with them directly. But more likely, it's someone using your information incorrectly, and holding onto the checks won't help resolve that situation.
Could this be some kind of identity theft situation? I'd recommend checking your credit reports and maybe putting a freeze on your credit too. Someone having enough of your personal info to make tax payments in your name is concerning.
Just FYI, if you made less than $12,950 TOTAL income in 2024 (including your W-2 job and all cash jobs), you might not even be required to file a federal return. But if you made more than $400 in self-employment income, you still have to file to pay self-employment tax even if you're under the filing threshold. If you're worried about past years, look into the IRS Voluntary Disclosure Program. Sometimes they'll waive penalties if you come forward voluntarily.
Thanks for all this advice everyone. My total income including my W-2 job is definitely over that threshold, probably around $28k total. Sounds like I definitely need to report everything. Do you know if I can still claim business deductions even if I don't have receipts for things like gas and tools? And should I be worried about getting audited if this is my first time reporting self-employment income?
For business deductions without receipts, you can still claim reasonable expenses based on your best recollection, but start keeping better records immediately for the future. Many small business owners keep a dedicated credit card or checking account for business expenses which creates a record even without physical receipts. Regarding audit concerns, filing self-employment income for the first time doesn't automatically trigger an audit. The IRS is more concerned with patterns that don't make sense, like claiming excessive deductions relative to income. Report your income honestly, claim legitimate deductions you can reasonably support if questioned, and you'll significantly reduce audit risk. Going forward, even a simple spreadsheet tracking income and expenses will put you in a much better position.
The real question is how would the IRS even know about your under the table work? Unless someone reports you or you're depositing large cash amounts regularly, they have no way to track cash transactions. Not saying you shouldn't report it, just saying realistically the chances of getting caught are pretty low for small amounts.
This is terrible advice. The IRS has sophisticated methods to detect unreported income, including lifestyle analysis, bank deposit analysis, and information from third parties. They also run statistical comparisons against similar taxpayers in your area and profession. Plus the penalties for intentional non-reporting are severe - we're talking 75% penalty on the tax you should have paid PLUS interest PLUS potential criminal charges for willful evasion. They can look back many years if they suspect fraud. Not worth the risk for a few thousand dollars.
You're probably right. I didn't consider all that. I've always reported my side income but know plenty of people who don't. Guess they're taking a bigger risk than I realized.
A quick note on Form 8606 that I don't think was mentioned yet - make sure you're keeping copies of ALL your 8606 forms indefinitely. The IRS doesn't track your nondeductible basis for you, so these forms are your only proof that you've already paid tax on those contributions if you get audited years later. I learned this the hard way!
How far back should we keep them? I've been doing backdoor Roth conversions for about 8 years now but honestly not sure if I still have all the forms.
You should keep them forever, honestly. The IRS doesn't have a central system tracking your nondeductible basis, so those forms are your only proof that you already paid tax on those contributions. If you're missing some forms from previous years, you might want to request transcripts from the IRS for those tax years to see if you can reconstruct your basis history. The problem is that if you can't prove your basis and you take distributions later, the IRS might treat the entire distribution as taxable, even though you already paid tax on those contributions.
Something that tripped me up when filling out form 8606 was that tax software can mess this up! TurboTax kept putting my nondeductible IRA contribution on the wrong line and I had to manually override it. Double check the final form before filing!
Omar Hassan
I've used TurboTax Home & Business for the past 3 tax seasons with a similar mix of income sources. Honestly, it's pretty straightforward for your situation. The education expenses are simple to enter - it asks specific questions about your tuition and related expenses. For the self-employment portion, it breaks down common deductions by business type. Just make sure you've tracked your business expenses well throughout the year. The biggest hassle is entering all the individual expenses, but if you have good records it's not too bad. One tip: if you buy it through Amazon or Costco, you can often find it for $10-15 less than the list price!
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CosmicCowboy
ā¢Do you think TurboTax would catch something like the Qualified Business Income deduction? I've heard that's a big potential tax break for self-employed people, but I'm not sure if I qualify or how to calculate it.
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Omar Hassan
ā¢TurboTax absolutely handles the Qualified Business Income deduction automatically. It determines your eligibility based on your business type and income level, then calculates the deduction without you needing to understand the complex rules. It also helps with things like the home office deduction (if applicable) and separates your self-employment tax calculations automatically. The software has gotten really good at guiding you through potential deductions with a simple interview process - it asks questions in plain English rather than tax jargon.
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Chloe Robinson
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Diego Chavez
ā¢FreeTaxUSA is good but I found it doesn't give as much guidance for self-employment deductions. TurboTax specifically asks about industry-specific deductions you might miss otherwise. Worth the extra money in my experience since it saved me way more than the price difference.
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