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Have you checked to see if your tips are "allocated tips"? Look at box 8 on your W-2. If there's an amount there, these are tips your employer assigned to you based on sales, and they don't withhold social security tax on these. You're responsible for paying the full social security tax on allocated tips yourself, which could explain the huge drop in your refund.
Just checked and there's nothing in box 8, so I don't think it's allocated tips. All my tips are reported in box 7 as "Social security tips" with $10,065. Could it be that I'm supposed to be paying extra social security on those somehow? Like both the employer and employee portion?
If your tips are in box 7 and not box 8, your employer should have withheld the correct social security tax on them. The amount withheld should be 6.2% of the combined wages (box 3) and tips (box 7). Since your tips are properly reported in box 7, you're only responsible for the employee portion (6.2%), not the employer portion. Check if the amount in box 4 (Social security tax withheld) equals 6.2% of the combined amount in boxes 3 and 7. If that's correct but you're still seeing the huge refund drop, it might be how the tax software is handling the second W-2. Try entering your W-2s in a different order or double-check that you haven't accidentally entered the tip income twice.
From what I can tell after reading your situation, I think FreeTaxUSA might be calculating something called "excess social security tax withheld." When you have multiple jobs and your combined income has had too much social security tax withheld (above the 6.2% on the maximum wage base), you get a credit for the excess. When you enter only your full-time W-2, the software might be calculating a refund of excess social security withholding. Then when you add the part-time W-2, it realizes you haven't actually exceeded the wage base, so that "excess" disappears. Try this: enter BOTH W-2s, then look at the detailed tax calculation in FreeTaxUSA and check the line for "Excess social security tax withheld" to see if it changed.
Just to add another perspective on Form 8814 - even if you CAN file it, sometimes it's better NOT to. When you add your child's investment income to yours, it gets taxed at YOUR tax rate, which is probably higher than your child's would be. For example, in 2024 the first $1,150 of a child's unearned income is tax-free, and the next $1,150 is taxed at just 10%. So if your daughter has $2,400 in interest, she'd only pay about $115 in taxes if she filed her own return. But if you add that $2,400 to your income and you're in the 22% or 24% bracket, you could end up paying $500+ in taxes on the same amount. Just something to consider before automatically using Form 8814 for convenience!
Good point! I made this exact mistake last year. Claimed my kid's dividend income on my return using Form 8814 and ended up paying WAY more tax than if I'd just helped him file his own return. The convenience cost me about $300 extra in taxes because I'm in the 24% bracket. Definitely worth running the numbers both ways.
This is such a helpful perspective, thank you! I hadn't even thought about the potential tax rate difference. I'm in the 24% bracket, so that would definitely impact the amount we'd pay on her interest income. Maybe the convenience isn't worth it after all. I'll run the numbers both ways before deciding. Really appreciate this insight!
Just a heads up - if your child has an UTMA/UGMA account (which sounds possible given the grandparent setup), make sure you're handling it correctly. Once your child reaches age of majority in your state (18 or 21 depending on state), that account legally belongs to them, not you, even if you're still managing it. The Form 8814 question might be moot if she's over the age of majority in your state because then it's legally her income, not yours to elect to report. Different rules apply for custodial vs. non-custodial accounts, so make sure you know which type of account is generating the interest.
That's a really important point about UTMA/UGMA accounts. I got audited a few years ago because I kept claiming my son's UTMA account income after he turned 18 (age of majority in my state). The IRS was very clear that once he hit 18, that income was his responsibility to report, not mine, regardless of who was managing the account day-to-day. Cost me penalties and interest because I had been doing it wrong for 2 years.
Don't forget about Form 8833 (Treaty-Based Return Position Disclosure) if you're going to claim any benefits under a tax treaty between the US and your current country! I missed this when I first filed as a nonresident and ended up having to amend my return. Also, check if you need Form 8854 if you've given up your green card or citizenship. Doesn't sound like your case, but mentioning for others.
Is Form 8833 required for every tax treaty benefit? I thought there were some exceptions where you don't need to file it even if you're claiming treaty benefits?
You're right - there are some exceptions. You generally don't need Form 8833 for personal services income under $10,000, or for claiming reduced withholding rates on dividends, interest, royalties, etc. The IRS has a list of exceptions in the instructions for the form. There are also some "general benefits" from treaties that don't require the form. It's the more specific or unusual treaty positions that need disclosure with Form 8833.
Has anybody dealt with the Foreign Tax Credit (Form 1116) in this situation? I'm still confused about whether I can claim credit for taxes paid to my new country against my US-sourced income on Form 1040-NR.
From my experience, on Form 1040-NR you can only claim foreign tax credits against income that's considered effectively connected with a US trade or business. For regular passive income like dividends and interest, you usually can't use Form 1116 to offset those taxes on a 1040-NR.
Just wanted to add that if your wife's employers aren't doing proper withholding, you might want to make quarterly estimated tax payments to avoid penalties. My wife was in the same situation working as a tutor, and we got hit with underpayment penalties the first year. We now just calculate approximately what she'll owe and make payments every quarter through the IRS website. Super easy and prevents the surprise tax bill.
How do you figure out how much to pay quarterly? Do you just divide what she owed last year by 4, or is there some formula? Also, do you get some kind of receipt you can use when you file?
You have a few options for calculating quarterly payments. The simplest is to take what she owed last year and divide by 4, which is what we do. As long as you pay 100% of your previous year's tax liability through withholding or estimated payments, you're generally safe from penalties (110% if your income is over $150,000). Yes, you get a confirmation number when you make the payment online, and you should keep those records. When you file your taxes, you'll report these payments on your return (usually on Form 1040-ES). The IRS system will match them up with your account automatically.
Has anyone actually compared filing separately vs jointly in this situation? Sometimes it can be better to file separately if one spouse has certain deductions or income situations.
I did the comparison last year when my husband had 1099 income and I had W-2. For us, filing jointly saved about $1,800 compared to separately. The main reason was that filing separately prevented us from claiming certain credits and deductions. Filing separately is usually only better in very specific situations, like if one spouse has income-based student loan payments, massive medical expenses that wouldn't meet the threshold based on combined income, or if one spouse has tax issues you want to keep separate.
Vera Visnjic
Don't forget to track ALL your business expenses to offset some of that self-employment income! As a teacher doing curriculum work, you can likely deduct: - Home office space (if used regularly and exclusively for work) - Office supplies - Professional development materials - Reference books - Software subscriptions - Portion of internet bills - Mileage for any work-related drives (not to your teaching job) - Professional organization memberships I learned this the hard way by paying way too much my first year as a 1099 worker.
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Jake Sinclair
ā¢Can you really deduct home internet? I've been working as a freelancer for 2 years and my tax guy never mentioned this! How do you calculate what percentage to deduct?
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Vera Visnjic
ā¢You can absolutely deduct a portion of your home internet if you use it for your freelance work! The key is determining what percentage of your internet use is for business versus personal. A reasonable approach is to estimate the percentage of time you use the internet for work purposes. If you use your home internet 60% for business and 40% for personal, you can deduct 60% of the cost. Just make sure you can justify this percentage if questioned. Keep good records showing your work patterns and be prepared to explain your calculation method. Some people also base it on the number of devices in the home and how many are used for business.
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Brielle Johnson
Has anyone used a SEP IRA to reduce their self-employment tax burden? I'm teaching part time and doing consulting work, making about the same as you ($42K from 1099s) and my accountant suggested I open one to shelter some income.
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Honorah King
ā¢SEP IRAs are amazing for self-employed people! You can contribute up to 25% of your net self-employment income up to $66,000 (for 2023). It directly reduces your taxable income. I've been using one for years for my tutoring business alongside my teaching job.
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