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From my experience working at a tax firm before, the difference really depends on how complicated your taxes are. If you just have W-2 income and take the standard deduction, you're probably not missing anything major by doing it yourself. Where professionals sometimes help more is if you have multiple income sources, self-employment, rental properties, investments with complex tax implications, etc. They might know strategies for timing certain transactions or maximizing certain deductions that aren't obvious.
What about education expenses? I'm in grad school part-time while working full-time and always wonder if I'm claiming everything correctly. The lifetime learning credit vs tuition deduction confuses me every year!
Education expenses are definitely an area where people often miss opportunities! For grad school while working, you need to evaluate whether the Lifetime Learning Credit (up to $2,000) or the tuition and fees deduction would benefit you more - it depends on your income level and other factors. An often-overlooked benefit is that if your education is related to your current career (even if not required by your employer), you might be able to deduct some expenses as unreimbursed employee expenses if they exceed 2% of your AGI and you itemize. Most tax software will ask about education expenses, but may not always connect the dots between your education and potential business expense deductions.
I switched from using an expensive preparer to doing my own taxes with FreeTaxUSA three years ago and my refund actually INCREASED by about $400. Turns out my "expert" was missing some credits I qualified for. The key is to take your time and answer every question thoroughly. Don't rush through the software prompts - that's where most people miss deductions. If something doesn't make sense, Google it or check the IRS website directly.
One thing to be super careful about when filling out Form 4852 - make sure you're calculating your Social Security and Medicare taxes correctly. Those are usually 6.2% for Social Security (on the first $168,600 for 2025) and 1.45% for Medicare (on all earnings). I messed this up last year when dealing with a missing W-2 and it caused my return to get flagged for review, which delayed my refund by almost 2 months.
Is there a specific place on the tax return where we note that we're using Form 4852 instead of a W-2? Or does just attaching the form take care of that?
Just attaching the Form 4852 to your return takes care of it - there's no special place you need to note it elsewhere on your return. The form itself has a field where you explain why you're using it instead of the W-2 (missing W-2, incorrect W-2, etc.), which gives the IRS all the information they need.
Has anyone used TurboTax with Form 4852? My situation is basically identical to the original poster, but I'm not sure if the tax software will handle this correctly or if I need to file on paper this year.
Yes! TurboTax actually handles this pretty well. When you get to the income section, there's an option that says something like "I don't have a W-2" or "My employer didn't give me a W-2." If you select that, it walks you through entering all the information from your paystubs and generates Form 4852 automatically.
International student advisor here. This is a common issue we see. A few important points beyond just amending: 1. Make sure you also consider any tax treaty benefits you might have been eligible for on the 1040NR that weren't available on the standard 1040. 2. The 1040NR may result in different calculations for your standard deduction and exemptions compared to what you claimed on the 1040. 3. Document everything related to this amendment and keep copies of all paperwork. Having a clear paper trail will help if this ever comes up during future immigration processes.
Thank you so much for this information! I hadn't even thought about the tax treaty benefits. My home country is India - are there specific treaty benefits I should be looking into when I file the 1040NR?
India does have a tax treaty with the US, and there are some benefits for students. Most notably, Indian students and business apprentices may be eligible to exclude a certain amount of income from US taxation. For students from India, you may be able to exclude income for teaching or research if you meet certain requirements. However, tax treaties are complex and the benefits vary based on your specific situation, status, and type of income. When you file your 1040NR, there's a section where you can claim these treaty benefits (usually on Form 8833).
One thing nobody has mentioned yet - if you received any tax credits on your 1040 that aren't available to nonresidents filing 1040NR, this could complicate things. For example, nonresidents generally can't claim the Earned Income Credit or certain education credits.
Another option is to use the IRS Online Payment Agreement application. Even if your in-laws don't need a payment plan, going through the process will show them the current amount owed with penalties and interest calculated. You can find it on irs.gov under "Pay" and then "Payment Plans & Installment Agreements.
Do you need to complete the whole application process to see the current amount, or does it show that information early in the process?
You'll see the current amount with penalties and interest fairly early in the process, usually on the second or third screen when you've entered your basic information. You don't need to complete the entire application or commit to any payment plan to view this information.
What tax software did your parents use? With TurboTax, you can actually recalculate the return later and it will update with current penalty and interest estimates. Just go into the account, open the return (don't file again!), and it will show updated amounts.
They used a local tax preparer, not software. That's part of the issue - they just have the paper copies the preparer gave them and aren't tech-savvy enough to navigate online tools themselves. I was hoping there might be a simple way to confirm the current amount without having to call since the phone wait times are so long.
Jade O'Malley
Something nobody's mentioned yet - single member LLCs can be great if you want to buy real estate as an investment. I have rental properties in separate single member LLCs, and while it doesn't change the tax treatment, it DOES provide liability separation between properties. If something catastrophic happens at one property and exceeds insurance coverage, my other properties and personal assets have protection. Just make sure you actually operate them as separate entities - separate bank accounts, separate records, etc. My accountant charges a bit more to handle the extra bookkeeping but it's worth it for the peace of mind.
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Hunter Edmunds
ā¢Do you use the same LLC for multiple properties or create a new one for each property? I'm looking at getting into real estate investment and wondering what the best approach is.
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Jade O'Malley
ā¢I use separate LLCs for each property. This creates the strongest liability barrier between properties. If there's a lawsuit at Property A that exceeds insurance coverage, they can only go after that specific LLC's assets (that property), not Property B or C. Some people use one LLC for multiple properties to reduce fees and paperwork, but that defeats much of the purpose - if there's an issue with one property, all properties in that LLC are exposed. The extra cost and paperwork is my insurance beyond insurance.
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Ella Lewis
Does anyone know if turbo tax or h&r block handles single member llc taxes? Im thinking about forming one but tax filing looks complicated.
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Andrew Pinnock
ā¢Both handle single member LLCs fine. For federal taxes it's actually super simple - you just file Schedule C with your personal return, exactly like a sole proprietorship. There's no separate tax return for a single-member LLC unless you elect to be taxed as a corporation.
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