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Something nobody mentioned yet - make sure you don't have any EARNINGS in the traditional IRA before you convert to Roth! If your money sits in the traditional IRA and earns interest or dividends before conversion, those earnings will be taxable when you convert to Roth. Best practice is to convert immediately after contributing to minimize any earnings.
How quickly should I do the conversion after contributing? Mine sat for about 2 weeks and earned like $12 in interest. Is that going to cause issues?
A couple weeks is totally fine, and $12 in interest isn't going to cause major issues. You'll just need to pay taxes on that $12 when you do your 2024 taxes (since that's when the conversion happened). The real problems happen when people contribute to a traditional IRA and then wait months or even a year before converting, allowing significant earnings to accumulate. Some people have their traditional IRA in investments that could grow substantially before conversion, creating a larger tax bill.
Has anyone used TurboTax for backdoor Roth reporting? I'm trying to figure out if it handles Form 8606 correctly or if I should use a different software.
I've used TurboTax for backdoor Roth for the past 3 years. It works but is a bit confusing. When it asks if you want to deduct your traditional IRA contribution, make sure to say NO. Then it will guide you through the Form 8606 for non-deductible contributions. The next year, it'll help you report the conversion with the 1099-R.
My sister dealt with this same situation. If the IRS already sent your refund including the child tax credit/EIC, there's a good chance they sided with you initially. The system automatically checks for duplicate SSNs being claimed, so they probably processed your claim first. BUT... the other person might still be going through review. If they submitted after you and included documentation, the IRS might still be reviewing their claim. In that case, you could still get a letter in the future. Keep EVERYTHING that proves you supported the child financially and that they lived with you. Calendar showing overnight stays, medical receipts, daycare payments, anything with dates on it. Don't throw away any of that until at least 3 years have passed.
Doesn't the tiebreaker rule mean that if two people can claim a child, the person with the higher AGI gets the claim? Or is that only when both people are equally eligible?
The tiebreaker rules only come into play when BOTH people are eligible to claim the dependent under all the qualifying child or qualifying relative tests. They're essentially the "last resort" when two people legitimately could claim the same dependent. In most disputes like this, the IRS determines only one person actually qualifies under the support and residency tests. If the child lived with the grandparent for more than half the year and the grandparent provided more than half the support, then the tiebreaker rules won't even be needed - the other person simply doesn't qualify regardless of their AGI.
watch out they might still audit u later. happened to my cousin last year. got the refund with dependent then 4 months later got a letter saying they were auditing. make sure u have proof of EVERYTHING. did u save receipts from when u bought stuff for the baby? need proof for: - medical expenses - food/formula - diapers - clothes - toys - percent of rent/utilities also need proof baby lived with u like mail addressed to baby at ur house, doctor records, anything with the address
You don't need proof for all that. IRS Publication 501 clearly states that for the support test, you only need to show you provided MORE than half of the child's total support for the year. You don't need to document every single expense.
ur right but in an audit they ask for everything. my cousin had to make a spreadsheet showing all expenses for the kid and who paid what. better to have too much proof than not enough! in a normal year ya don't need all that but when someone else also claimed the same kid its different. they check everything super carefully.
One thing nobody mentioned yet - if you're trading options in an IRA, you don't have to worry about any of this tax reporting! All my buy to open, sell to close trades happen in my Roth and I never pay taxes on the gains. Just something to consider if the tax headache is too much.
Doesn't the IRA limit what kind of options strategies you can use though? I thought you couldn't sell naked calls or do certain spreads.
You're absolutely right about the limitations. In an IRA, you generally can't sell naked calls or puts because they have undefined risk and require margin. Most brokers only allow covered calls, cash-secured puts, and certain defined-risk strategies like vertical spreads. The exact permissions depend on your broker and your approved option level within the IRA. Fidelity, for example, is pretty conservative and might restrict you to just covered calls, while some others allow vertical spreads if you have enough experience and account value.
Has anyone here actually gotten audited because of options trading? I'm doing similar stuff (buy to open / sell to close) but sometimes I do like 20-30 trades a week. I'm worried that's gonna trigger something with the IRS.
Here's a simple approach I use: Just calculate 4 different versions of your weekly pay in your spreadsheet: 1. Base 40 hours (lowest withholding %) 2. Moderate OT (medium withholding %) 3. Heavy OT (highest withholding %) 4. An average based on your typical pattern Then depending on what your week looks like, you can quickly reference the appropriate scenario. Not perfect but way easier than trying to build a complex formula.
That's not a bad approach for quick budgeting! Do you have any tips for how to determine the withholding percentages for each scenario? Are you just using the actual percentages from past paychecks?
I just look at my past paystubs and calculate the actual withholding percentage for each category. So I'll find a few examples of 40-hour weeks, average the withholding percentage, and use that. Same for the other scenarios. It's not perfect, but it gets me close enough for budgeting. The key is to categorize your past paychecks based on hours worked and then find the patterns. Over time, you'll see that the percentages are fairly consistent within each band of hours.
Have you tried the IRS Withholding Calculator? It's free and on the IRS website. You can run different scenarios with different weekly incomes to see how the withholding changes. I use it every January to make sure my withholding is on track.
The IRS calculator is good for annual planning but it's not great for weekly variations. It assumes consistent income throughout the year which is exactly what OP doesn't have.
Miguel Silva
Just a heads up for everyone amending 2020 returns - make sure you're using the CORRECT forms. The IRS changed some of the business expense categories on Schedule C for that year. I messed up my first attempt because I used a current year Schedule C as my reference instead of the 2020 version. Also, if your amendment results in a refund, be prepared to wait a WHILE. My amended return took about 16 weeks to process last year. The IRS says to expect 16 weeks but it can take even longer.
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Zainab Ismail
ā¢Do you remember what specifically changed on Schedule C? I'm working on mine now and want to make sure I get it right.
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Miguel Silva
ā¢The main differences weren't dramatic, but there were some COVID-related options that existed only for 2020 returns. For example, there were special provisions for the Employee Retention Credit and paid sick/family leave credits that appeared on that year's forms. The core expense categories stayed the same (advertising, car expenses, insurance, etc.), but some of the instructions and limitations were different due to pandemic relief provisions. Your best bet is to download the actual 2020 Schedule C form and instructions directly from the IRS website rather than using any current year references. That way you'll be working with the exact form as it existed then.
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Connor O'Neill
You might want to calculate if this is worth your time first. While you can definitely still amend a 2020 return, remember that you'll need to: 1) Recalculate your entire return with the new expenses 2) File Form 1040-X plus a new Schedule C 3) Include any supporting documentation 4) Wait potentially months for processing For $7,800 in business expenses, assuming you're in the 22% tax bracket plus self-employment tax, you might get back approximately $2,500. Only you can decide if that's worth the effort!
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QuantumQuester
ā¢Not to mention the possibility of having to amend your state return too depending on where you live. Some states require you to file a state amendment if you change your federal return.
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