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Just wanted to add something important - make sure you keep documentation of all your attempts to get the W9 from your landlord. I had a similar situation and the IRS actually questioned my 1099 filing during a review of my return. I was able to show emails requesting the W9 multiple times, which satisfied them that I had made a "reasonable effort." Also, when you do get the W9, verify the TIN (Tax Identification Number) using the IRS TIN matching program if you can. Prevents headaches later if the information turns out to be incorrect!
How do you access the IRS TIN matching program? Is that something available to small business owners or only for certain types of companies?
The TIN Matching program is available to all businesses that need to file 1099s, including small business owners. You can access it through the IRS website - just search for "TIN Matching" on irs.gov. You'll need to register for an account and there's a small fee per TIN verification (I think it's around $5 per match). It's especially useful if you're dealing with situations like this where you're not sure about the entity receiving your payments. The system will tell you if the name and TIN combination match IRS records before you file your 1099s. Much better than finding out after filing that the information was wrong!
This is such a helpful thread! I'm dealing with a similar situation where I have a home office but my lease is under my personal name, not my LLC. One thing I learned from my accountant is that you should also consider the timing of when you formed your LLC versus when you signed the lease. Since your lease was signed before your LLC existed, you're personally liable for the rent payments (not your LLC), but you can still deduct the business portion as a business expense on your Schedule C. The 1099 requirement still applies because you're paying for business use, even though the lease isn't in your LLC's name. Also, a pro tip - when you do reach out to Pine Valley Properties for the W9, explain that you need it for tax compliance purposes and that it's a standard business requirement. Most property management companies deal with this regularly and should have a process in place. If they seem confused, you can even send them IRS Publication 1220 which explains their obligations as payees.
This is really valuable information about the timing aspect! I hadn't considered that the lease being signed before the LLC formation would affect things. So even though I'm operating through my LLC now, since the lease predates it, I'm still personally responsible for the rent but can deduct the business portion? One follow-up question - when I do get the W9 from Pine Valley Properties and file the 1099, should the 1099 be issued from me personally or from my LLC? Since the lease is in my personal name but I'm claiming it as a business expense through my LLC, I'm not sure which entity should be listed as the payer on the 1099 form. Also, thanks for the tip about IRS Publication 1220 - that sounds like it could help make the conversation with the property management company much smoother!
I've been following this thread with great interest as I'm dealing with a somewhat similar situation - though thankfully with fewer states involved! One aspect that hasn't been discussed much is the potential for estimated tax payments at the state level. Since you mentioned this partnership has been generating income for a few years, you might need to consider whether any of your filing states require quarterly estimated payments for the upcoming tax year. Some states have pretty aggressive underpayment penalties that can add up quickly, especially if your partnership income is growing. I learned this lesson when I filed returns for three states last year but forgot to set up estimated payments for this year. Two of the states sent notices about required quarterly payments with penalty calculations that were eye-opening. The threshold amounts vary significantly by state - some require estimates if you expect to owe more than $400, others have $1,000+ thresholds. Given your systematic approach to tackling this multi-state challenge, you might want to add estimated payment requirements to your research checklist for each state where you decide to file. It's much easier to set these up proactively than to deal with underpayment penalties later. Also, kudos on successfully completing your 1065 after 130 hours of self-study - that's genuinely impressive! Your late CPA would be proud of how much you've learned and the thorough approach you're taking to this complex situation.
This is such a crucial point that I hadn't even considered - thank you for bringing up estimated payments! I've been so focused on getting the current year returns filed that I completely overlooked the forward-looking payment obligations. This is exactly the kind of detail that could create problems down the road if I don't address it proactively. Do you happen to remember which states had the lower thresholds for required estimated payments? Since our partnership income has been growing and I'm expecting similar or higher distributions next year, I should probably assume I'll hit the payment requirements in most of the states where I'm filing returns. I'm adding this to my research checklist for each state - along with partnership registration requirements that Dylan mentioned earlier. It's amazing how many interconnected obligations there are beyond just the basic tax return filing. Each state seems to have its own ecosystem of requirements that aren't immediately obvious when you're just looking at income tax filing thresholds. Thanks for the encouragement about completing the 1065! It definitely felt overwhelming at times, but breaking it down into smaller learning chunks made it manageable. My late CPA always emphasized understanding the "why" behind each form and calculation, which really helped when working through the more complex partnership allocations and basis adjustments. This whole thread has been incredibly valuable - I feel like I have a much clearer roadmap now than when I started researching this multi-state maze!
I've been reading through this entire thread and wanted to share my experience with a similar multi-state partnership situation from last year. Like you, I had a complex K-1 (though thankfully only 89 pages!) from a fund-of-funds investment that touched about 25 states. One thing that really helped me was creating a "state decision tree" spreadsheet with columns for: income amount, filing threshold, penalty structure, composite eligibility, estimated payment requirements, and registration needs. This let me quickly sort and prioritize which states needed immediate attention versus which ones I could research later. For the Massachusetts situation specifically - I found out they have a "safe harbor" provision where if you file within 60 days of the due date and pay any tax owed, they'll often waive the daily penalties on first-time late filers. Might be worth calling them directly if you're close to that threshold. Also wanted to echo the suggestion about reaching out to your fund managers. When I contacted mine, they actually had a tax specialist who spent 30 minutes on the phone walking me through the most common filing issues their partners face. Turns out they get these questions constantly and had developed some helpful guidance documents they just don't proactively share. The multi-state filing process is genuinely one of the most complex areas of tax compliance, so don't feel overwhelmed by the scope. You've already demonstrated impressive capability by tackling the 1065 yourself - this is just the next logical step in that learning journey.
FYI - there's another situation where you need to file Schedule B regardless of the amount of interest or dividends: if you have any foreign accounts. I found this out the hard way after getting a notice from the IRS. Even if you only have $5 of interest total, if any of it came from a foreign bank account, you still need to file Schedule B and check that box in Part III.
Yes! This is super important and a lot of people miss it. Even if you're under the $1,500 threshold, you need Schedule B if you have financial interest in or signature authority over a foreign account. That includes accounts where you're not even the owner but just have signing authority. Also, don't forget about FBAR requirements (FinCEN Form 114) if your foreign accounts exceed $10,000 in aggregate at any point during the year. These are separate from tax filing but have serious penalties if missed.
Just wanted to add another important detail that I learned when I had to file Schedule B for the first time - you need to list ALL payers of interest and dividends on Schedule B, not just the ones that put you over the threshold. So even if you have 10 different accounts contributing small amounts that together exceed $1,500, you have to list every single payer on the form, including their name, address, and the amount they paid you. It can make for a pretty long form if you have accounts scattered across multiple banks and brokerages. The IRS uses this information for matching purposes - they want to see that what you're reporting matches up with all the 1099-INT and 1099-DIV forms they received about you. Missing even a small payer can trigger a notice later on.
This is really helpful to know! I was wondering about this exact thing - whether I needed to list every single account or just the major ones. I have probably 6-7 different accounts with small amounts of interest, and it sounds like I need to track down all those 1099-INT forms and make sure every payer is listed on Schedule B. Do you know if there's a minimum threshold for individual payers, or do I literally need to include even the $2.50 I earned from my old savings account that I barely use anymore? I'm trying to gather all my tax documents and want to make sure I don't miss anything that could trigger a notice later.
I think there might be some confusion in the thread about how distributions are ordered and reported. Let me clarify the proper sequence for S Corp distributions: When an S Corp makes a distribution, it comes out in this specific order: 1. First from AAA (Accumulated Adjustments Account) - this is previously taxed income 2. Then from PTI (Previously Taxed Income) if you have any from pre-1983 3. Then from paid-in capital/capital contributions 4. Finally, anything beyond that would be taxable gain For your $25k distribution with only $1.3k in AAA: - $1.3k reduces AAA and goes in Schedule M-2 Line 7, column (b) - The remaining $23.7k reduces your capital account and goes in Schedule M-2 Line 7, column (c) "Other adjustments account" This is NOT the same as the OAA that some mentioned - that's a different account entirely. The capital account reduction represents the return of your partner's original $52k contribution. On the K-1, the full $25k gets reported on Line 16d as a distribution. Your partner won't owe any tax on this since it's just getting back money he originally put in, and it reduces his stock basis accordingly. The key thing to remember is that returning capital contributions is generally tax-free as long as it doesn't exceed the shareholder's total basis in their S Corp stock.
This is such a helpful breakdown, thank you! I'm new to S Corp accounting and the distribution ordering rules were really confusing me. Just to make sure I understand - when you say the $23.7k goes in Schedule M-2 Line 7 column (c) "Other adjustments account", is that the same line where we'd report the reduction in capital contributions? I want to make sure I'm not mixing up the OAA with the capital account like someone mentioned earlier in the thread. Also, for someone just starting out with S Corp bookkeeping, do you recommend any specific resources for learning these distribution rules properly? I don't want to mess this up for our small business.
Great question! You're right to be careful about not mixing up the accounts. When I mentioned column (c) "Other adjustments account" on Schedule M-2 Line 7, I was referring to where the capital contribution return would be reported, but I should clarify that the actual Schedule M-2 has different column headings. Looking at the actual Schedule M-2, the distribution of returned capital contributions would typically go in the "Distributions" line but in the appropriate column based on the type of distribution. The $23.7k representing return of capital contributions should reduce the shareholders' capital accounts, which affects the balance sheet rather than the M-2 income statement. For learning S Corp distribution rules properly, I'd recommend starting with IRS Publication 589 and the Instructions for Form 1120S. The IRS also has some good examples in the K-1 instructions. Consider taking a basic S Corp tax course through NATP or similar organization - these distribution ordering rules are tricky and it's worth getting solid training early on rather than learning from mistakes! Also keep detailed basis tracking worksheets for each shareholder from day one - trust me, it's much easier than trying to reconstruct everything later.
This is a really common confusion with S Corp distributions! The key distinction you need to understand is the difference between the corporate-level accounts (like AAA) and individual shareholder basis. Your partner's $25k withdrawal is indeed a distribution, but here's how it should be handled: **Schedule M-2 Reporting:** - Only $1.3k would be reported on Line 7 column (b) as a distribution from AAA - The remaining $23.7k represents a return of capital contribution, which reduces the capital account on your balance sheet but doesn't flow through the M-2 in the same way **No Capital Gains Issue:** Your instinct is correct - this shouldn't trigger capital gains! Since your partner contributed $52k originally, withdrawing $25k is simply getting back part of his original investment. He still has $27k of capital contribution basis remaining. **K-1 Reporting:** Yes, report the full $25k on Schedule K-1 Line 16d as a distribution. This reduces your partner's stock basis but isn't immediately taxable since it's within his basis. **Pro tip:** Keep a separate basis tracking worksheet for each shareholder showing capital contributions, allocated income/losses, and distributions. This makes it much easier to determine the tax treatment of future distributions. The ordering rules for S Corp distributions can be tricky, but returning capital contributions is generally the most straightforward situation. You're doing the right thing by getting this clarified before filing!
This explanation really helped clarify things for me! I was getting overwhelmed by all the different account types and distribution rules. Just to make sure I'm following correctly - when you say the $23.7k "reduces the capital account on your balance sheet but doesn't flow through the M-2 in the same way," does that mean it doesn't get reported anywhere on the M-2 at all? Or does it go somewhere else on that schedule? I'm trying to reconcile this with what some others mentioned about the "Other adjustments account" and want to make sure I understand where exactly this shows up on the actual forms. The basis tracking worksheet idea is great - do you have a template you'd recommend or should I just create my own with the basic columns you mentioned?
Yara Assad
Great question about the QBI deduction! Since you're filing Schedule C as a sole proprietor, you likely do qualify for the 20% Qualified Business Income deduction. This applies to your net profit from the food truck business (after all deductions) and can be a significant tax saver. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the importance of keeping detailed mileage logs. Since you're traveling between events, commissary kitchens, and supply runs, those business miles add up quickly. You can either deduct actual vehicle expenses (gas, maintenance, insurance) or use the standard mileage rate - whichever gives you a bigger deduction. Also, don't forget about business insurance premiums! Your food truck liability insurance, equipment coverage, and any business-related health insurance premiums are all deductible. For record-keeping, I'd strongly recommend getting a dedicated business bank account and credit card if you haven't already. It makes tracking expenses so much easier, especially during tax season when you're trying to separate personal from business expenses. The fact that you're asking these questions shows you're being proactive about your taxes, which is smart. Even without a CPA right now, keeping good records will save you time and money whether you eventually hire one or continue doing your own taxes.
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GalaxyGazer
ā¢This is incredibly helpful advice! I'm curious about the mileage deduction - when you mention tracking miles between events and commissary kitchens, does this include the drive from my home to pick up the trailer, or only business-to-business travel? Also, for the QBI deduction, is there an income threshold I need to worry about, or does it apply regardless of how much profit the business makes? I definitely need to get that separate business account set up - you're right that it would make record-keeping so much cleaner. Right now I'm using my personal accounts and trying to flag business expenses, which is getting messy as the business grows.
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Carmen Vega
ā¢Great questions! For mileage, trips from your home to pick up the trailer would generally be considered commuting (not deductible), but once you have the trailer and are traveling between business locations (events, commissary, suppliers), those miles are deductible. The key is that the travel must be for business purposes between business locations. For the QBI deduction, there are income thresholds to be aware of. For 2024, if your taxable income is under $191,950 (single) or $383,900 (married filing jointly), you generally get the full 20% deduction on your qualified business income. Above those thresholds, there are additional limitations based on W-2 wages and property basis, but as a food truck owner, you'd likely still qualify for some deduction. Definitely prioritize getting that separate business account! It's one of the best things you can do for your business finances. Most banks offer free business checking for small businesses, and it will make tax prep so much easier. Plus, if you ever get audited, having clean separation between personal and business expenses makes everything much smoother.
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Jamal Anderson
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet that could save you significant money is considering whether your food trailer qualifies for bonus depreciation. Under current tax law, you might be able to deduct 80% of the trailer and equipment costs in the first year (2024) through bonus depreciation, rather than spreading it over 5 years with regular depreciation. Also, since you mentioned using volunteers (spouse and relative), make sure you're handling this correctly. If they're truly volunteers and you're not paying them wages, that's fine. But if you start paying them regularly, you'll need to consider payroll taxes and proper documentation. For your commissary kitchen expenses (if you use one), those are fully deductible as rent. Same goes for any storage fees for your trailer. One often-overlooked deduction for food trucks is professional development - if you attend food service trade shows, take food safety courses, or join food truck associations, those costs are deductible as business education expenses. Finally, don't forget about your business license fees, health department permits, and any certifications you need to maintain. These are all ordinary and necessary business expenses that should be deducted. Keep receipts for everything and consider using a mileage tracking app on your phone - it makes documenting business travel much easier than trying to recreate logs later!
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Connor O'Neill
ā¢This is excellent advice about bonus depreciation! I hadn't even heard of this option. Quick question - if I choose the bonus depreciation route for 80% in the first year, can I still use Section 179 for the remaining 20%, or do I need to pick one method? Also, regarding the professional development deduction you mentioned - I've been thinking about taking a food safety certification course that costs around $400. Would this be 100% deductible, and where would it go on Schedule C? Under "Other expenses" or is there a specific category for training/education? The mileage app suggestion is great too. I've been trying to recreate my business trips from memory which is definitely not ideal. Any specific apps you'd recommend that work well for food truck operations?
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