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Ethan Clark

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I've been dealing with this exact same issue! The IRS W4 calculator has been giving me inconsistent results too. What I found helpful was to run through the calculator multiple times with the same information to see if the Step 3 amount keeps changing - if it does, that's a clear sign the calculator has a bug. From what I've learned here and through my own research, the safest approach is to manually fill out your W4 rather than relying on the pre-filled version from the calculator. For your $9,500 Traditional IRA contribution, put it ONLY in Step 4(b) as a deduction. Since your income is $65,000, you definitely don't qualify for the Saver's Credit (which phases out completely around $36,500 for single filers), so Step 3 should remain blank unless you have other legitimate tax credits. The calculator seems to have known issues with how it handles retirement contributions, especially when combining them with other tax situations. Better to be conservative and follow the actual W4 instructions rather than trust the automated tool.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm new to dealing with W4 issues and have been so confused by all the conflicting information online. It's reassuring to hear that manually filling out the W4 is actually the safer approach - I was worried I was doing something wrong by not trusting the calculator. One quick question though - when you say to put the Traditional IRA contribution "ONLY in Step 4(b)", should I be concerned about under-withholding? I'm nervous about owing money at tax time, which is why I was trying to be so careful with the W4 in the first place after overpaying last year. Also, is there a way to double-check that my withholding will be correct once I submit the updated W4 to my employer?

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@Alina Rosenthal Great questions! For your Traditional IRA contribution in Step 4 b(,)you shouldn t'worry about under-withholding as long as you re'entering the correct amount. The $9,500 deduction will actually reduce your taxable income, which means you ll'owe less tax overall - so having less withheld is actually the goal here. To double-check your withholding after submitting your updated W4, I d'recommend using a payroll calculator or tax withholding estimator to verify your numbers. You can also monitor your first few paychecks after the change to see if the withholding amount looks reasonable compared to your expected tax liability. Another safety net is to make quarterly estimated tax payments if you re'still concerned about owing at tax time. But honestly, if you overpaid last year and you re'now properly accounting for your IRA deduction, you should be in a much better position. The key is being conservative with your entries and not letting the buggy calculator add mysterious amounts to Step 3!

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As someone who's been through this exact same confusion, I want to reinforce what others have said about manually completing your W4 instead of relying on the calculator's pre-filled form. The IRS calculator definitely has bugs when it comes to retirement contributions. Here's my simplified approach that worked for me: Enter your $9,500 Traditional IRA contribution ONLY in Step 4(b) under "Other adjustments to reduce your withholding." Leave Step 3 completely blank since you don't qualify for the Saver's Credit at your income level. The random amounts appearing in Step 3 each time you generate the form are a clear red flag that the calculator isn't working properly. I experienced this too and it turned out the calculator was incorrectly combining different tax scenarios. One tip: After you submit your updated W4, check your next paycheck to make sure the withholding adjustment looks reasonable. You should see slightly less tax withheld per paycheck since your taxable income is effectively reduced by the IRA contribution. This will help you avoid overpaying like you did last year while still ensuring you don't owe a large amount at filing time.

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Xan Dae

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This is exactly the kind of clear, practical advice I was looking for! Thank you for breaking it down so simply. I've been overthinking this whole situation and getting caught up in all the technical details. Your point about the random amounts in Step 3 being a "red flag" really resonates with me - I kept second-guessing myself thinking maybe I was missing something important, but it sounds like the calculator just has genuine bugs that multiple people have experienced. I'm going to follow your approach: put my $9,500 Traditional IRA contribution only in Step 4(b) and leave Step 3 blank. Then I'll monitor my first paycheck after the change to make sure the withholding adjustment looks reasonable. One follow-up question - roughly how much less should I expect to see withheld per paycheck? I get paid bi-weekly, so I'm curious if there's a ballpark way to estimate the change so I know if it's working correctly.

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Filing Taxes When Married to a Non-US Citizen: Resident vs Nonresident Alien Status

I got married in September 2023 to my wife who's from Brazil. As a US citizen married to a non-citizen, I'm completely lost on how to handle our taxes for this year. I have several questions I hope someone can help with: Does my wife qualify as a resident alien or a nonresident alien for tax purposes? Am I allowed to claim her as a dependent on my return? Would filing jointly be the best option for us? My wife is Brazilian and we're currently going through the marriage-based green card process. She's been living in the US for about 6 years now. Initially she was here on a tourist visa, then switched to an F1 student visa. Her F1 visa expired on January 15, 2024. Throughout her time in the US, she hasn't had any taxable income. I'm trying to figure out what to expect when filing our 2024 taxes. Some specific visa information: Her tourist visa (B1/B2) was issued March 22, 2017 and expires March 20, 2027. Her F1 student visa was issued February 12, 2020 and expired January 15, 2024. According to her I-94, her most recent arrival was August 23, 2021, with F1 as the class of admission and D/S as the admit until date. I've read something about the 183-day rule to qualify as a resident alien, but calculating this is confusing me. From what I understand, days on a tourist visa DO count toward this total, but days on an F1 visa DON'T count. Is that right? Her I-94 has multiple entries and exits since 2018, and it doesn't always specify which visa was used for each one. I only know her first entry was on a tourist visa and her most recent was on her F1. Do I really need to count every single day she's been in the US over the past 6 years? Or is there an easier way to determine her tax status? This seems extremely complicated! Any advice would be hugely appreciated!

This is exactly the kind of complex situation where getting expert guidance upfront can save you major headaches later. Based on your wife's visa history - 6 years total with tourist visa initially, then F1 student visa that expired in January 2024 - you're dealing with multiple moving pieces that affect her tax status. A few key points to consider: 1. Since her F1 expired in January 2024 and you're going through the marriage-based green card process, her current status likely affects how the substantial presence test applies for 2024. 2. The fact that she's had no taxable income simplifies things somewhat, but you still need to determine her correct status to choose the right filing approach. 3. Be very careful about the worldwide income reporting requirement if you make any election to treat her as a resident - this catches a lot of people off guard. Given the complexity with mixed visa types, the 5-year F1 exemption period, and the transition to marriage-based status, I'd strongly recommend getting a definitive determination of her tax status before making any elections. The consequences of filing incorrectly with international situations can be significant, and the rules around these elections have specific timing requirements and documentation needs. Have you been able to get copies of all her I-94 entry/exit records? That's usually the starting point for any accurate substantial presence test calculation.

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Yes, we were able to get her complete I-94 travel history from the CBP website, which shows all her entries and exits since 2018. It's actually quite detailed and shows the visa class for each entry, though like you mentioned, some of the earlier entries aren't as clear about which specific visa was used. One thing that's been confusing me is the timing aspect you mentioned. Since her F1 expired in January 2024 and we got married in September 2023, does that mean her status changed mid-year for tax purposes? We filed the I-485 (adjustment of status) in October 2023, so she's been in a kind of limbo status since her F1 expired. Also, regarding the worldwide income requirement - she literally has no income from Brazil or anywhere else. Her family there isn't wealthy and she's been a full-time student here. But I want to make sure I understand this correctly - if we make the election to file jointly, we'd still need to report $0 foreign income, right? Are there specific forms for that or just include it in the regular joint return? The timing requirements you mentioned have me worried. Is there a deadline for making these elections, or can we decide when we actually file our 2024 taxes next year?

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You're asking great questions! Let me help clarify the timing and status issues: Regarding mid-year status changes - yes, your wife's status likely did change during 2024 for tax purposes. When her F1 expired in January 2024, she transitioned to what's called "authorized stay" while her I-485 is pending. This authorized stay period generally DOES count toward the substantial presence test, unlike her F1 days during the 5-year exemption period. For the worldwide income reporting - absolutely correct that you'd report $0 if she truly has no foreign income. You don't need special forms just to report zero foreign income on a joint return, but you do need to be thorough. This includes any foreign bank accounts (even with minimal balances), investment accounts, or other financial interests. The key is being complete and accurate. Regarding timing - this is crucial. The Section 6013(g) election to treat a nonresident alien spouse as a resident must be made on your original return (including extensions) for the tax year. You can't make this election on an amended return. The First-Year Election mentioned by others has similar timing requirements. Given that her I-94 shows detailed entry/exit records, you should be able to calculate the substantial presence test accurately. But with her status transition mid-2024, I'd really recommend getting that professional determination before the filing deadline to avoid missing any election opportunities. The fact that she has no foreign income does simplify things significantly - one less complexity to worry about!

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As someone who went through a very similar situation with my spouse from Mexico, I want to emphasize how important it is to get this right from the start. The substantial presence test calculation with mixed visa types is genuinely complex, and the stakes are high. One thing I learned the hard way - even though your wife has no income, you still need to be absolutely certain about her tax status before making any elections. We initially thought the 6013(g) election was a no-brainer since my husband had no income either, but it turns out there can be unexpected consequences down the road. For example, once you make the 6013(g) election, it continues for all subsequent years until you revoke it or certain events terminate it. This means if her status changes again during the green card process, you're still locked into treating her as a resident for tax purposes until you formally revoke the election. Also, don't underestimate the importance of proper documentation. The IRS requires specific statements attached to your return explaining why you're making the election and confirming you understand the obligations. Missing these requirements can invalidate the election. Given that her F1 expired in January 2024 and she's been here 6+ years, definitely focus on getting an accurate substantial presence test calculation first. That will tell you whether you even need to make an election or if she already qualifies as a resident alien naturally. The calculation might be simpler than you think once you properly account for the F1 exemption period rules.

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Lilah Brooks

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I'm definitely starting to understand why everyone keeps emphasizing getting the substantial presence test calculation right first. The point about the 6013(g) election continuing for subsequent years is something I hadn't considered - that could definitely impact us as her status changes through the green card process. One question about the documentation requirements you mentioned - are these specific IRS forms that need to be attached, or are we talking about written statements we prepare ourselves? I want to make sure we don't miss anything critical if we do end up needing to make an election. Also, you mentioned that the calculation might be simpler than I think once the F1 exemption rules are properly applied. Since she's been here 6+ years but most of that was on F1 status, am I right in thinking that only her days in 2024 (after F1 expired) plus any earlier tourist visa days would count toward the 183-day requirement? The F1 days from years 1-5 wouldn't count at all, and F1 days from year 6 onward would start counting? I'm trying to wrap my head around whether we're looking at a clear-cut resident alien situation or if it's more borderline and we'd need to make an election.

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Has anyone notice that different tax software handles this differently? In H&R Block, it automatically combines all entries with the same payer ID. But when I tried TurboTax at my friend's house, it let me enter each fund individually.

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That's true! I've used both TaxAct and TurboTax over the years and they handle it differently. TaxAct wanted me to combine everything with the same payer ID, while TurboTax gave me the option. The final tax calculation ends up the same either way though.

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Nia Johnson

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I actually just went through this exact same situation with my Vanguard 1099-DIV! After reading through all these responses and doing some research, I ended up listing each fund separately using the same payer ID that Vanguard provided on the form. What helped me decide was realizing that the IRS computers are designed to handle this - they match the total reported dividends under Vanguard's payer ID with what Vanguard actually submitted to them. As long as those numbers align, you're good. I used TurboTax and it made it really easy to enter each fund on its own line with the same payer information. Plus, having each fund listed separately will definitely help me next year when I need to track cost basis for any sales. Much better than trying to figure out which fund was which from a combined entry. The whole process took maybe 10 extra minutes compared to combining everything, but the peace of mind was worth it. No issues with my return either - got my refund without any questions from the IRS.

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Diego Flores

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I'm dealing with a similar situation and have been following this thread closely - thank you all for sharing such detailed strategies! I wanted to add one more approach that worked for me recently: if you have a specific IRS notice or letter, try calling the direct number printed on that notice instead of the general line. I had a CP2000 notice and called the number specifically listed on it, and got through in about 25 minutes on my second attempt. The agent was already familiar with that type of issue and resolved it quickly. Also, for anyone feeling anxious about these calls (like I was!), remember that the IRS agents are generally very helpful once you reach them - they deal with phone system frustrations all day too and understand what you've been through to get connected. Don't let the broken phone system discourage you from getting the help you need!

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Molly Hansen

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This is such a valuable tip about calling the direct number on notices! I hadn't even thought to look for a specific number on my CP14 notice - I just assumed I had to use the main IRS line. 25 minutes is so much more reasonable than the multi-hour waits people are experiencing elsewhere. You're absolutely right about the agents being helpful once you actually reach them - I think a lot of my anxiety comes from the anticipation of the phone system maze rather than the actual conversation. Thanks for the encouragement and for sharing another practical strategy! I'm going to check my notice right now to see if there's a direct number listed. Really appreciate you taking the time to share this approach! 😊

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AstroAlpha

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I've been following this thread as someone who recently went through the same struggle, and I wanted to share what finally worked for me after trying several of the methods mentioned here. I started with the Taxpayer Assistance Center line (1-844-545-5640) that @Grace Patel recommended, but got a busy signal twice. Then I tried the main line using @Freya Larsen's button sequence at 7 AM on a Wednesday, and after a 43-minute wait, I actually got through! The key things that helped: using a landline, having all documents ready (especially my physical Social Security card as @Tami Morgan mentioned), and staying calm during the call. The agent was incredibly patient and resolved my amended return question in about 15 minutes. For anyone still struggling - don't give up! The persistence really does pay off, and this community's advice is spot-on. Also, if you're calling about a specific notice, definitely try the direct number on that notice first as @Diego Flores suggested. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - it made all the difference! šŸ™

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How to fill out Form 5329 for excess Roth IRA contribution and when to pay penalties?

I'm really confused about what I need to do with my Roth IRA contributions and could use some help. My situation is pretty straightforward except for this one issue, so I'm trying to avoid paying someone a ton of money for tax prep. My husband and I each put $6,000 into Roth IRAs for 2023 and $6,500 for 2024. We just realized while doing our taxes that our income was too high for both years, so we've already recharacterized the 2024 contributions and moved the 2023 ones. As of a few days ago, we officially withdrew the excess earnings. According to our broker at Fidelity, with the recent market downturn, our total excess earnings for both of us from the 2023 contributions came to about $850. I'm using TaxAct because our tax situation is usually pretty simple. I found where to report the excess contribution, and it looks like the 6% penalty comes out to around $60 total. The software is showing this on the 2024 Form 5329 along with our other 2024 tax documents (I haven't submitted yet). But from what I've read online, I think I'm supposed to complete a 2023 Form 5329 with this information, not a 2024 form. So should I go ahead with what the software is showing me with this on the 2024 Form 5329, or do I need to separately fill out and mail a 2023 Form 5329? Also, I'm assuming next year I'll receive a 1099-R for the 2023 Roth where I'll need to pay the 10% early withdrawal penalty on the excess earnings, and I don't need to pay that now? Really confused about the timing of all this!

CosmicCadet

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This is a really helpful thread! I'm dealing with a similar situation but with a twist - I made excess contributions to both traditional AND Roth IRAs for 2023. Do I need to file separate Form 5329s for each type of account, or can I report both on the same form? Also, I'm seeing conflicting information about whether I can recharacterize the traditional IRA excess contribution to a Roth IRA to avoid the penalty, or if that would just create another excess contribution issue since my income was too high for direct Roth contributions anyway. Has anyone dealt with this double excess contribution scenario before? My tax software (H&R Block) is giving me error messages when I try to enter both types of excess contributions, so I'm wondering if I need to handle this manually or switch to different software.

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You can report both traditional and Roth IRA excess contributions on the same Form 5329 - there are separate sections for each type of account. Part IV is for excess contributions to traditional IRAs, and Part V is for excess contributions to Roth IRAs. Regarding recharacterization, you're right to be cautious. Since your income was too high for direct Roth contributions, recharacterizing your traditional IRA excess to a Roth would indeed create another excess contribution problem. You'd essentially be moving the excess from one bucket to another rather than solving it. Your best bet is probably to withdraw the excess contributions plus earnings from both accounts before the filing deadline. This would eliminate the 6% penalty for both. The earnings from the traditional IRA withdrawal would be subject to income tax and the 10% early withdrawal penalty, while the Roth earnings would only be subject to the 10% penalty (since Roth contributions are made with after-tax dollars). If H&R Block is giving you errors, you might need to enter them separately or consider switching to software that handles multiple excess contributions better. Some people have had success with the tax tools mentioned earlier in this thread for complex IRA situations.

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Sarah Jones

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a similar situation but wanted to clarify something about the timing. You mentioned withdrawing the excess contributions "as of a few days ago" - the key deadline here is the tax filing deadline for the year the contribution was made (including extensions). For 2023 contributions, that deadline was October 15, 2024 (with extension). If you withdrew after this date, you'll still owe the 6% penalty for 2023 even though you removed the excess. The penalty applies because the excess was still in the account on December 31, 2023. Regarding TaxAct showing this on your 2024 Form 5329 - that's incorrect. You need the 2023 Form 5329 to report excess contributions made for tax year 2023. Most tax software struggles with this cross-year reporting. You may need to manually prepare and mail the 2023 Form 5329 separately from your main return. And yes, you're correct about the timing for the earnings tax - you'll report that on your 2024 return next year when you receive the 1099-R from Fidelity. The 10% early withdrawal penalty will apply to just the earnings portion, not the original contribution amount.

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Jason Brewer

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This is really helpful clarification about the timing! I had no idea about the October 15th deadline with extensions. So just to make sure I understand correctly - if someone made excess 2023 contributions and withdrew them in, say, November 2024, they'd still owe the 6% penalty for 2023 because the money was still in the account on December 31, 2023, even though they eventually fixed it? Also, when you say "manually prepare and mail the 2023 Form 5329 separately," do you mean I should get the actual 2023 version of the form from the IRS website and fill it out by hand, or can I still use tax software to generate it as long as I specify it's for 2023? I'm nervous about making calculation errors if I have to do it completely manually.

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