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I've possibly been through this process about a dozen times, and in my experience, the DDD is generally quite reliable. That said, there are occasionally some minor delays that might push it back a day or two. Most banks I've used tend to deposit either on the exact date or, in some cases, a day early. It's probably worth checking your bank's policy on government deposits specifically, as they sometimes handle those differently than regular direct deposits.
Here's how to verify everything is set for your deposit: 1. Check your transcript again for any TC570 codes that appeared after your DDD was issued 2. Verify the last 4 digits of your bank account on the transcript match your actual account 3. Look at the amount listed with code 846 - this is your exact refund amount 4. If you filed with TurboTax or another service that takes fees from your refund, expect a slightly lower amount Thanks for sharing your timeline! It helps others know what to expect.
I had a similar DDD last year, but then got hit with a random verification delay. The money showed as "pending" in my bank for 5 days before disappearing completely. Had to call IRS and found out they pulled it back for "additional verification." Got it eventually, but two weeks later than the original DDD. Just sharing so you know it's not 100% guaranteed until it's actually in your account and cleared.
I'd recommend checking if your state has a Voluntary Disclosure Agreement program for employment taxes. I went through this in Arizona after a similar situation, and while I still had to pay all the taxes, they waived most of the penalties. Saved me thousands. Most important thing is to get ahead of this before you get caught - showing initiative to correct the problem goes a long way.
I've been through something very similar with my roofing company last year. The key thing to understand is that paying employees in cash doesn't change your payroll tax obligations - you're still responsible for withholding and remitting all the same taxes as if you'd paid by check. Here's what I learned from my CPA: You absolutely need to treat these as employees (not contractors) and calculate the full payroll taxes. This means Social Security, Medicare, federal income tax withholding, FUTA, and any state taxes. Since you didn't withhold from their cash payments, you're now responsible for both the employee and employer portions. The manual calculation process is tedious but doable if you have good records. You'll need to work backwards through each quarter of 2024 and file amended 941s. The penalties will add up, but there are abatement options available, especially if this is your first time being late with payroll taxes. One thing that really helped me was getting on a payment plan with the IRS early in the process. Don't wait until you have everything perfectly calculated - reach out to them as soon as you can to show good faith. The sooner you start the correction process, the better it looks from their perspective.
Quick question - I'm taking the married filing jointly standard deduction and my wife took some classes. Does the Lifetime Learning Credit work the same way for joint returns? Are there different income limits?
Yes, you can still claim the Lifetime Learning Credit while taking the standard deduction on a joint return, but the income limits are different. For married filing jointly, the credit starts phasing out at $160,000 MAGI and is completely phased out at $180,000. Also keep in mind that for joint filers, you can claim the credit based on either spouse's qualified expenses, but it's still limited to a maximum of $10,000 in expenses (for a maximum $2,000 credit) per return, not per person.
Great question! I went through this exact same confusion last year. The key thing to remember is that education credits and the standard deduction are completely separate parts of your tax return - they don't interfere with each other at all. The standard deduction reduces your taxable income (it's an "above-the-line" deduction), while the Lifetime Learning Credit directly reduces your tax liability dollar-for-dollar. Think of it this way: the standard deduction helps determine how much tax you owe, and then the education credit reduces that tax amount. At $55k income, you're well within the income limits for the full credit. Just make sure you have your Form 1098-T from your school and keep receipts for any qualified expenses not reported on that form (like required textbooks). TurboTax should handle the calculations correctly - it's a very common combination to take the standard deduction and claim education credits. You're definitely not doing anything wrong by claiming both!
This is really helpful clarification! I've been stressing about this for weeks. So just to triple-check my understanding - I can take my ~$14,600 standard deduction to reduce my taxable income from $55k down to about $40,400, and then still claim up to $840 in Lifetime Learning Credit to directly reduce whatever tax I owe on that $40,400? And the Form 1098-T - my school sent that in January, right? I think I have it somewhere in my tax documents pile. Thanks for mentioning keeping receipts for textbooks too - I definitely bought some required books that probably weren't included in the tuition amount on the 1098-T.
Exactly right! You've got it perfectly. The standard deduction brings your taxable income down to around $40,400, and then the Lifetime Learning Credit comes off your actual tax liability - it's like getting a $840 discount on whatever tax you owe on that $40,400. Yes, your 1098-T should have arrived in January (schools are required to send them by January 31st). It will show the qualified tuition and fees your school received, but you're smart to keep those textbook receipts! Required course materials like textbooks, supplies, and equipment needed for enrollment definitely count as qualified expenses even if they're not on the 1098-T. Just make sure the books were actually required for the course (not just recommended) and that you can prove it if asked. I always keep the syllabus or course materials list that shows which books were mandatory. You're being very thorough about this - that's exactly the right approach!
Has anyone considered that there might be state-specific rules that affect this too? Federal attribution is one thing, but some states have their own guidelines for S-Corps that might be more strict.
Good point! I'm in California and they definitely have additional rules that sometimes conflict with federal guidelines. Always worth checking both.
This is a great discussion that highlights how complex Section 318 can be in practice. I work as a tax preparer and see these family business attribution questions frequently. One thing I'd add is that even when attribution rules don't apply, you still need to be careful about the "reasonable compensation" requirements for S-Corp shareholders. If your husband is working full-time for the company and is considered family (even without direct attribution), the IRS may scrutinize whether he's receiving adequate W-2 wages versus distributions. Also, for health insurance specifically, make sure you're documenting the different treatment clearly. Even if both of you qualify as regular employees under Section 318, having a written policy explaining the rationale helps if there are ever questions during an audit. The tools mentioned here like taxr.ai and services like Claimyr sound helpful, but I always recommend having a qualified tax professional review any major decisions, especially with family businesses where the stakes are higher for getting it wrong.
This is really helpful perspective from a professional! I'm new to this community but dealing with a similar family business situation. The reasonable compensation point is something I hadn't considered - even if attribution doesn't apply, we still need to make sure salaries are appropriate for the work being done. Quick question: when you mention documenting the different treatment for health insurance, what specific documentation do you recommend? Corporate resolutions, employee handbook policies, or something else? I want to make sure we're covering our bases properly from the start. Thanks for sharing your expertise - it's clear there are a lot more nuances to this than I initially realized!
Leslie Parker
I just want to caution you about one thing - make sure the CP3219A is legitimate before paying anything! There are a lot of scams out there. Double check the phone number against the official IRS website (not just Google), and never pay through gift cards or wire transfers. Real IRS notices have a notice number in the upper right corner, and you can verify it by creating an account on irs.gov and checking your account transactions. If you're at all unsure, you can also request your wage and income transcript from the IRS website to verify what income they have on file for you for 2018.
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Sergio Neal
ā¢This is really important advice. My parents got a fake CP3219A last year that looked super convincing but had a slightly different phone number. The scammers were really pushy about paying immediately. Definitely verify through the official IRS site before paying anything!
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Angel Campbell
Just wanted to add my experience with CP3219A notices since I've dealt with a few of these over the years helping family members. One thing that often gets overlooked is that you should make a copy of everything before you mail it back - the Form 5564, the notice itself, and any payment confirmations. Also, when you pay online through Direct Pay, print out the confirmation page immediately. The IRS payment system sometimes has glitches where payments don't show up in their system for several days, and having that confirmation number can save you a lot of headaches if there are any questions later. I'd also suggest sending the Form 5564 via certified mail with a return receipt. It only costs a few extra dollars, but you'll have proof that the IRS received your response within the 90-day window. This becomes really important if there are any disputes later about whether you responded on time. The good news is that once you pay and submit the form, this should be resolved fairly quickly. Most people I've helped have seen their account updated within 2-3 weeks of payment, and the case gets closed out completely.
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