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I'm a bit confused about what the 3219A notice actually means. If I get one after already paying a CP2000, does that mean I'm being audited? Should I be worried?
The 3219A (Notice of Deficiency) isn't exactly an audit notice, but it is part of the IRS examination process. Think of the CP2000 as the IRS saying "we think you owe this money" and the 3219A as them saying "we've officially determined you owe this money." The 3219A gives you formal rights to challenge their determination in Tax Court if you disagree. But if you've already paid the amount from the CP2000 and agree with the assessment, you're not really being audited further. It's more of a procedural step to close the examination officially and give you due process rights.
I went through almost the exact same situation last year! Got a CP2000 in March, paid immediately, then received a 3219A in October showing additional interest through the notice date. It was really frustrating because I thought paying right away would end the matter. Here's what I learned: the 3219A is basically the IRS's formal way of closing the examination, even if you already paid the CP2000. The key issue is that their computer systems don't always sync up properly between departments. When I responded to the 3219A, I included: - Copy of my canceled check from March - Screenshot from IRS.gov showing my payment was processed - A simple letter stating "Payment was made in full on [date] as evidenced by the attached documentation. Interest should not accrue beyond this payment date per IRC Section 6601." Within 6 weeks, I received a letter confirming they had adjusted my account and removed the incorrect interest charges. The whole process was much smoother than I expected once I provided the payment proof. Don't stress too much about it - this seems to be a common administrative hiccup rather than anything you did wrong. Just respond promptly with your documentation and you should be fine.
yeah i claimed the home heating credit maybe thats why
I went through this exact same thing last year with Michigan! The "completed" but "under manual review" status is super confusing - basically it means they received and processed your return through their initial systems, but something triggered an additional human review step. In my case, it was also a credit claim (earned income credit) that flagged it. Took about 4-5 weeks total from the date I first saw that message. The waiting is honestly the worst part because there's literally nothing you can do except wait for them to either mail you requesting more info or approve it. One thing that helped me was checking the status every Friday - I noticed they tend to update things toward the end of the week. But definitely don't check daily, it'll just drive you crazy! The system rarely changes during the week. Michigan is notoriously slow with manual reviews compared to other states, but they do eventually get through them. Just try to be patient even though I know it's frustrating when you're expecting that refund!
This is really helpful, thanks! Good tip about checking on Fridays. I've been obsessively checking daily and it's definitely driving me nuts 😅 4-5 weeks sounds more reasonable than some of the horror stories I've been reading online. Did you end up getting your full refund amount when it finally processed?
One important thing nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you keep VERY detailed records of all your recharacterizations and conversions. I got audited last year specifically on IRA transactions, and without my documentation showing the exact dates and amounts, it would have been a nightmare. For the original poster, make sure you document: 1. Your original $6,900 Roth contribution date 2. The recharacterization date and total amount ($12.7K) 3. Your new Traditional contribution ($7,500) 4. The conversion back to Roth This paper trail will be crucial if questions ever come up years later.
How long should we keep these records for? And what specific documents should I be saving - just the year-end statements or something more detailed?
You should keep these records for at least 7 years, but honestly, for retirement account transactions, I recommend keeping them indefinitely. I had to reference a recharacterization from 9 years ago during my audit! As for what to keep, don't just save year-end statements. Save the confirmation receipts for each transaction (contribution, recharacterization, conversion), any 1099-R forms, and your amended tax returns. If you received any letters from your IRA custodian about the recharacterization, keep those too. The more documentation you have, the easier it will be to explain these complex transactions if you're ever questioned.
Something to be aware of - the recharacterization makes it look like you never contributed to the Roth in the first place, but your 2024 conversion of $7,500 from Traditional to Roth IS reportable on your 2024 taxes. You'll get another 1099-R for that. And don't forget about Form 8606 for the Traditional IRA contribution. It's super confusing but critical to track the non-deductible contributions if you're over the income limit!
Why do you need Form 8606 if you immediately convert the Traditional IRA to Roth? Doesn't that make the whole thing moot since the money doesn't stay in the Traditional IRA?
You still need Form 8606 even if you convert immediately because it tracks the basis in your Traditional IRA. Without it, the IRS assumes your entire Traditional IRA balance is pre-tax money, so when you convert to Roth, they'll tax the full amount. Form 8606 tells them "hey, this $7,500 was already taxed money (non-deductible contribution), so don't tax it again during the conversion." It's basically protecting you from double taxation on that money.
in the same boat rn... verified 3 weeks ago still waiting. this whole process is a joke fr fr 🤡
Good luck tomorrow! I just went through this last week. Definitely bring passport or driver's license, Social Security card, and all your tax docs (W-2s, 1099s, etc). Also bring a recent utility bill or bank statement for address verification - they asked me for that too. The whole appointment took about 30 minutes and they were actually pretty nice about it. Just be patient with the timeline after - mine took about 7 weeks but worth the wait!
Esteban Tate
Anyone know how options trading affects your MAGI for things like Roth IRA contribution limits? I'm planning to do some NVDA calls like OP but worried it might push me over income limits if I'm successful.
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Ivanna St. Pierre
•Capital gains (including from options) absolutely count toward your MAGI and can affect Roth eligibility. If you're close to the income limits, you might want to look into a backdoor Roth strategy. I unexpectedly made $43K on AMD calls last year and it pushed me over the limit - would have been better prepared if I'd known.
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Sofia Peña
Great question about getting started with options trading! One thing I'd add to the excellent tax advice already given - make sure you understand the assignment risk with options, especially if you're holding them close to expiration. If your NVIDIA calls get assigned (which can happen early with American-style options), you'd suddenly own 100 shares per contract at the strike price. This creates a much larger tax event than just selling the option for a profit. The tax treatment changes too - instead of just capital gains on the option premium, you'd have basis in the stock that affects future gains/losses. Also, consider starting smaller than $13K for your first options trade. Even experienced traders can get burned by the leverage and time decay (theta). Maybe try a $2-3K position first to get comfortable with how options behave, especially with a volatile stock like NVIDIA. Keep detailed records of every transaction from day one - your broker's cost basis reporting for options can sometimes be incomplete, and you'll thank yourself during tax season!
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