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Don't forget there's also the "material participation" test for businesses. The IRS looks at whether you're actively involved in the operations on a regular, continuous, and substantial basis. For a side gig like yours, you'll want to keep good records of time spent working on your business. I track hours for my consulting work using a simple app. This helps support business classification if the IRS ever questions it.

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I'm curious how many hours you need to qualify as "material participation"? Is there a specific number the IRS looks for? I only spend maybe 5-6 hours a week on my online business.

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There's no absolute minimum hour requirement, but one test for material participation is 500 hours per year (roughly 10 hours weekly). However, that's just one of seven possible tests. You can also qualify if your participation was "substantially all" the participation in the activity (meaning you did most of the work), or if you participated more than 100 hours and that was as much as anyone else. For most side businesses where you're the only person involved, you're likely meeting the material participation standard even at 5-6 hours weekly.

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Friendly reminder that the business vs. hobby distinction isn't just about which one saves you more in taxes right now! If you genuinely have a profit motive and are running this as a business, you should file as a business even if it might cost more in taxes. Filing as a hobby when it's really a business can cause problems later if you get audited. Plus, business losses can sometimes offset other income, and you're building Social Security credits with self-employment taxes.

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What about if you have losses for several years? I've been running my art business for 3 years and haven't turned a profit yet. Tax preparer said IRS might reclassify it as a hobby?

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I went thru this last year. It's annoying but not as bad as it seems. Just be patient and persistent. You got this, OP!

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Thanks for the encouragement! Did you have any issues after you verified? Like, did your refund come through okay?

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Yep, everything went smooth after that. Took about 6 weeks to get my refund, but no problems.

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Hey Amy! I just went through this exact same thing a few months ago. The 4883C letter looks scary but it's actually pretty straightforward once you get through to them. A few things that helped me: 1. Call early in the morning (like 7-8 AM) - way better chance of getting through 2. Have your Social Security card handy too, not just tax returns 3. They might ask about previous addresses or employers from past returns 4. Write down the confirmation number they give you at the end! The whole verification call took about 20 minutes once I got someone on the line. My refund came through about 5 weeks later. You'll be fine! 👍

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Need help figuring out Box 4 on my 1098-T form for 2025 taxes

Hi everyone, I'm really confused about Box 4 on my 1098-T for 2025 and hoping someone can help me make sense of it. This is the first time I've had anything in this box and I'm getting conflicting info online. Here's what my forms look like: For 2024 1098-T: * Box 1: $8k * Box 5: $19k * Boxes 7 & 8 were checked * I didn't claim any education credits * I reported taxable scholarship income as $11k (Box 5 - Box 1) For 2025 1098-T: * Box 1: $12.5k * Box 4: $4k * Box 5: $19k * Boxes 7 & 8 checked * Not planning to claim education credits * Based on Box 5 - Box 1, my taxable scholarship would be $6.5k I was super confused about that Box 4 amount, so I called my university's financial aid office. They explained that the Box 4 amount was actually a refund of payments I made out-of-pocket for Fall 2024 tuition. Apparently after I paid, I got some additional financial aid that covered what I had already paid, so they refunded me that money in 2025, but since it was for 2024 tuition, it shows up as an adjustment to prior year. So now I'm totally stuck on what to do with this on my 2025 taxes. I've seen a few different suggestions: 1. Since I didn't claim education credits in 2024, this doesn't affect anything 2. I should reduce my 2025 qualified education expenses (Box 1 - Box 4) 3. I need to amend my 2024 return to account for reduced qualified expenses I checked Publication 970 but it mostly covers situations where people claimed education credits, which I didn't. Am I overthinking this? Does anyone know the right way to handle Box 4 in my situation? Thanks in advance for any help!

Just went through this with my kid's 1098-T. Box 4 is super confusing but here's the simple version: If you DIDN'T claim education credits in the previous year: - Box 4 doesn't affect anything. You can ignore it. If you DID claim education credits in the previous year: - You need to recalculate those credits with the reduced expense amount - May need to file an amended return (Form 1040-X) Since you didn't claim credits, you're in the clear! Just make sure you're correctly reporting your taxable scholarship amount (Box 5 - Box 1) as income on your current return.

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This is a great explanation thread! I went through something very similar last year and wanted to add one small clarification that helped me understand Box 4 better. The key thing to remember is that Box 4 represents money that was *returned to you* for expenses from a prior year. So in your case, you paid tuition out of pocket in Fall 2024, then got financial aid that covered those same expenses, so the school refunded your payment in 2025. This is different from just getting a regular financial aid disbursement - it's specifically a refund of money you previously paid. That's why it shows up in Box 4 instead of affecting your current year's Box 1 or Box 5 amounts. Since you correctly didn't claim education credits in 2024 (which makes sense if your scholarships exceeded your qualified expenses anyway), this refund doesn't create any tax consequences for you. You just report your 2025 taxable scholarship amount normally. One thing that might help for future reference - if you expect to get additional financial aid after paying tuition, you might want to wait to pay until the aid is finalized to avoid these kinds of adjustments. But obviously that's not always possible with payment deadlines!

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Based on all the helpful discussion here, it sounds like you should be able to claim the credit since you're living there as your primary residence and paying for the improvement. However, I'd strongly recommend getting this confirmed in writing before making such a large purchase. One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that you might want to consider having a written agreement with your in-laws about the improvements you're making. Since you're essentially investing in their property, it could be beneficial to document that you have permission to make these improvements and that you're responsible for the costs. This could help support your tax credit claim and also protect your investment in case your living situation changes. Also, since you mentioned you'll be there for 2-3 years, make sure you understand what happens if you move before the system pays for itself through energy savings. The tax credit helps upfront, but you want to make sure the overall financial arrangement makes sense for your timeline.

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Great point about getting written documentation! I'm actually dealing with something similar - living in my parents' rental property while they're overseas. My tax preparer suggested creating a simple letter signed by the property owners stating that I have permission to make improvements and that I'm responsible for the costs. This helps establish the legitimacy of claiming credits for improvements I pay for. Also totally agree about the timeline consideration. With heat pumps, the energy savings usually take 5-7 years to break even without the tax credit, but with the 30% federal credit it's more like 3-4 years. Since you're planning to be there 2-3 years, the tax credit really makes the difference in whether this investment makes financial sense for your situation.

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! As someone who's been researching this exact situation, I want to add one more consideration that might be relevant. Since you're living in your in-laws' house under an informal arrangement, you might want to check if there are any gift tax implications if the total value of your improvements (including the heat pump) exceeds certain thresholds. The IRS might view substantial property improvements as gifts to the property owners, especially if there's no formal lease agreement. That said, for the heat pump specifically, the consensus here seems solid - you should be able to claim the 30% credit since it's your residence and you're paying for it. Just make sure to document everything thoroughly: receipts, manufacturer certifications, proof of residence (utility bills in your name, voter registration, etc.), and ideally that written agreement with your in-laws that others mentioned. One last tip: if you're planning other energy-efficient improvements during your time there (like insulation, windows, or a smart thermostat), you might be able to claim credits for those too under the 25C credit program, which covers up to $1,200 annually for various efficiency improvements.

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Has anyone actually claimed this credit as a non-owner and gone through an audit successfully? I'm in a similar situation with my parents' property and getting conflicting info from different tax preparers.

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I did last year. Claimed the credit for solar panels on my sister's house where I was living. Got selected for a correspondence audit (just had to mail in documents, not a full audit). Sent utility bills showing my residency, proof I paid for installation, and manufacturer certification. Credit was approved without further questions.

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I went through this exact situation two years ago when I installed a heat pump at my grandmother's house where I was living. The key thing that helped me was getting everything documented upfront - I made sure all the invoices were in my name, kept utility bills showing I lived there, and got a letter from my grandmother confirming I was responsible for the improvements. One thing I'd add to the great advice already given - consider having a written agreement with your in-laws about the improvements you're making. Even something informal can help establish that you're genuinely responsible for these costs as part of your living arrangement, not just doing them a favor. This could be helpful if the IRS ever asks questions about why a non-owner is claiming the credit. The 30% credit is substantial, so it's definitely worth pursuing if you meet the requirements. Just make sure you understand which components of your HVAC system qualify - the heat pump itself definitely does, but things like ductwork modifications might not.

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