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Daniel White

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One thing to consider is that MTM doesn't just eliminate long-term capital gains treatment - it also affects wash sale rules. With MTM, wash sale restrictions don't apply to you anymore, which can be a huge advantage for active traders who frequently trade the same securities. Last year, I had significant losses that were disallowed due to wash sales. If I had MTM status, I could have claimed all those losses immediately. Just something else to factor into your decision.

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Nolan Carter

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That's a great point about wash sales! How difficult was the process of establishing trader status with the IRS? Did you have any issues proving you met the requirements?

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As someone who went through the MTM election process last year, I want to emphasize how important it is to get professional guidance on this decision. The tax implications are complex and can significantly impact your overall tax liability. One critical point that hasn't been fully addressed - if you're considering MTM for 2025, you need to make that election by the due date of your 2024 tax return (including extensions). You can't just decide mid-year in 2025 that you want MTM treatment. Also, regarding your NVDA shares - the previous comment about them being "marked to market" at year-end 2024 is correct. Any unrealized gains on December 31, 2024 would be treated as if you sold and repurchased them on January 1, 2025. This is called the "deemed sale" rule. For your specific situation with substantial NVDA gains, I'd strongly recommend running the numbers both ways - selling in 2024 to lock in long-term capital gains treatment versus keeping them and having them converted to ordinary income under MTM. The difference in tax rates (0%, 15%, or 20% for long-term capital gains versus up to 37% for ordinary income) could be substantial depending on your income level. The entity structure option (LLC/S-Corp) is possible but adds complexity and costs. You'd need to ensure proper business purpose and substance, maintain separate books and records, and the entity would need to qualify for trader status independently.

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Sean Kelly

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This is really helpful information, especially about the election deadline. I'm new to understanding trader tax elections and wasn't aware that the MTM election for 2025 needs to be made by the 2024 tax return due date. One question - you mentioned running the numbers both ways for the NVDA shares. Is there a general rule of thumb for when MTM makes sense versus sticking with capital gains treatment? I'm trying to understand at what point the benefits of avoiding wash sale rules and unlimited loss deductions outweigh losing the preferential long-term capital gains rates. Also, regarding the entity structure complexity you mentioned - what kind of ongoing costs should someone expect if they go the LLC route for separating trading activities?

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Make sure you actually have access to transcripts first. Had to verify my identity through id.me before I could see anything

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yep already did that part! just showing N/A for 2023

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Been there! Usually takes 5-10 business days for transcripts to update after e-filing, but can be longer during busy season. Since you got your acceptance confirmation, you're all set - just gotta wait it out. The transcript will show "N/A" until the IRS processes everything. Try not to stress too much, the waiting is always the hardest part!

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NeonNova

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Thanks for the reassurance! This whole process is way more stressful than I expected as a first-timer. Good to know the N/A thing is normal - I was starting to think I messed something up šŸ˜…

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CosmicCowboy

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Has anyone else dealt with capital loss carryforwards while living outside the US? Im in a similar situation with losses from 2023 stock sales, but im also wondering if the standard deduction comes into play here at all?

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Amina Diallo

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The standard deduction only applies to residents or certain non-residents from Canada, Mexico, and a few other countries with specific tax treaties. As a general rule, most non-resident aliens can't claim the standard deduction on Form 1040NR.

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Dylan Hughes

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I've been through a similar situation as a non-resident with capital loss carryforwards. One thing to consider is that if you truly have no US source income and no filing requirement, you might want to skip filing the 1040NR this year to preserve your full $3,000+ in losses. The key issue many people miss is documentation. If you decide not to file this year, make sure you maintain detailed records of your last filed return that shows the capital loss carryforward amount. When you eventually have US income again (from IRA/HSA withdrawals as you mentioned), you can pick up the carryforward from your last filed return. I'd recommend consulting with a tax professional who specializes in non-resident tax issues before making this decision, since the stakes are high with preserving those losses for when you actually need them. The $3,000 you'd "waste" this year could be valuable when you're dealing with early withdrawal penalties later.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the documentation aspect - when you say "maintain detailed records," what specifically should someone keep beyond just the last filed return? Should there be any kind of written statement explaining the gap years, or is the previous return showing the carryforward amount sufficient proof for the IRS when you file again years later?

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Does a basis calculation apply to Net Section 1231 Gains on partnership K-1?

I'm trying to figure out if I need to calculate a basis for Net Section 1231 Gains that were reported on a partnership K-1. I received an interest in a real estate limited partnership when my uncle passed in 2019. The property sold last year and I got the final K-1 showing a Net Section 1231 gain of around $21,500. Here's my problem - the general partner never gave me a fair market value when I inherited the partnership interest. My capital account at the time was negative (about -$630). I filed my taxes using the -$630 as my basis last April, thinking I'd fix it later with an amended return. Now I'm running out of time to file that amendment. When I finally reached the GP a couple weeks ago, he claimed that Net Section 1231 gains already have the partner's basis factored in, which is why he never provided a valuation. Is that actually true? If he's wrong, what section of the tax code can I point to that requires him to provide a valuation? Are there other ways to get a defensible valuation? My tax guy warned me that just estimating a basis (like assuming the basis equals the sale price since I only had it for a year) could be risky on an amended return. If the GP is correct and I should use $0 basis, how do I explain switching from the -$630 I originally reported? Or would my basis actually be +$630 (negative capital account becomes positive basis)? I get the general basis rules for inheritances, but I'm specifically confused about whether Net Section 1231 Gains work differently as the GP is suggesting. I've looked through IRS publications and haven't found anything that discusses this specific situation.

The interaction between Section 1231 gains and partnership basis is complicated. Here's what you need to know: your basis in a partnership is adjusted by your share of partnership income (including section 1231 gains), but that adjustment happens AFTER those gains flow through to you. In other words: 1. Section 1231 gain flows to you via K-1 2. You report that gain on Form 4797 3. Then your basis in the partnership increases by that gain amount So your GP is totally mixing up cause and effect here.

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StormChaser

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This makes perfect sense and helps clarify the timing issue. So essentially, if my inherited interest was worth $15,000 when I received it, and then I report the $21,500 Section 1231 gain on my 4797, my basis in the partnership would increase to $36,500 (assuming no other adjustments), but that doesn't affect how much gain I report from the K-1. Is that right?

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That's exactly right. The $21,500 flows through to you regardless of your basis, and then afterward, your basis would increase to $36,500 (assuming no other adjustments like distributions). But since this was the final K-1, I'm guessing the partnership is terminating, so that increased basis would only matter if there's a final liquidating distribution coming to you. If that's the case, you'd compare that final distribution to your ending basis ($36,500 in this example) to determine if you have any additional gain or loss on the termination.

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Lauren Wood

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I'm dealing with a very similar situation right now with an inherited partnership interest from 2020. My GP also tried to tell me that Section 1231 gains "already account for basis" which made no sense to me either. After reading through this thread and doing more research, I found that IRC Section 742 specifically addresses basis of transferred partnership interests, and Section 1014 covers the stepped-up basis for inherited property. These sections make it clear that you get a stepped-up basis equal to FMV at date of death, completely separate from how the partnership calculates Section 1231 gains on its assets. I ended up getting a professional appraisal of my partnership interest as of the date of inheritance. It wasn't cheap ($2,500) but it gave me defensible documentation for the IRS. The appraiser used discounted cash flow analysis based on the partnership's real estate holdings and debt structure. One thing that helped me push back on my GP was citing Treasury Regulation 1.704-1(b)(2)(iv)(l), which requires partnerships to maintain capital accounts but clarifies that capital accounts are NOT the same as outside basis for tax purposes. Your GP seems to be confusing these concepts just like mine was. Don't let them push you around on this - you have every right to proper documentation of your inherited basis.

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Don't forget about IRS Publication 551 which specifically covers "Basis of Assets" - it has examples for different scenarios. The most important thing to remember is that distributions from rental activities typically aren't affecting your basis the way you might think. For regular rental income: 1. Rental income doesn't reduce your basis 2. Rental expenses don't increase your basis (except capital improvements) 3. Depreciation DOES reduce your basis 4. Money you take out of the rental business doesn't affect basis This is different from partnership distributions where distributions can reduce your basis. Are you operating this as a sole proprietor or through an entity? That makes a big difference in how basis is calculated and tracked.

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Lara Woods

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But what if you refinance the property and take cash out? Does that reduce your basis? I did that last year and my tax guy mentioned something about it potentially being tax-free but tracking for later...

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Refinancing and taking cash out generally doesn't reduce your basis. This is often considered a loan, not income. The cash you receive isn't taxable when you get it, and it doesn't reduce your basis. However, your tax guy is right about tracking it. While the cash-out itself doesn't affect basis, it can create a situation where you have "negative equity" if you owe more than your adjusted basis. This can become important when you sell the property later, as it might limit your ability to defer taxes through a 1031 exchange or could trigger debt forgiveness income in certain situations.

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I'm actually dealing with this right now for a property I sold last year. One tip nobody mentioned yet: KEEP EVERY RECEIPT for improvements! I mean everything. New roof? Keep it. New appliances? Keep it. Even small stuff like cabinet hardware adds up. When I sold my rental last year, I was able to add almost $67k to my basis from improvements I made over 8 years. That significantly reduced my capital gains tax. I used a simple Google Sheet to track: - Original purchase price - Plus: Improvements (itemized by date) - Minus: Depreciation taken each year - Equals: Adjusted basis at time of sale The IRS allows you to include closing costs in your basis too! Don't forget those.

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How far back can you go for improvements? I have a rental I've owned for 15 years and I'm sure I'm missing receipts from the early years. Also did you have to submit all those receipts with your tax return or just keep them in case of audit?

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You can go back as far as you've owned the property for improvements - there's no time limit. The IRS expects you to have records, but they understand that older receipts might be missing. If you're missing some from the early years, try to reconstruct what you can using: - Bank statements showing payments to contractors - Credit card statements for materials - Photos with timestamps showing before/after improvements - Permits pulled (city records often go back decades) - Insurance claims that might have covered improvements You don't submit the receipts with your return - just keep them for your records. The IRS only sees them if you get audited. But definitely document everything you can find, even estimates are better than nothing. I had a few improvements where I could only estimate costs based on similar work done later, and my accountant said that was acceptable as long as the estimates were reasonable.

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