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Anna Stewart

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I went through exactly this transition last year! Left my SEP open with the existing money and started a 401k when I brought on employees. One thing to watch for - make sure you properly document the termination of new contributions to the SEP (even though there's no formal closure). I kept a corporate minute in my company records noting the board decision to freeze the SEP and establish the new 401k. My accountant said this creates a clear paper trail if there's ever a question about why we stopped SEP contributions for the business.

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Smart tip about the corporate minutes! Did you also need to notify the financial institution where your SEP was held that you were discontinuing contributions? Or did you just stop sending money?

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I didn't formally notify the financial institution - I just stopped making contributions. The SEP IRA custodian doesn't need to be told you're discontinuing contributions since there's no ongoing obligation to fund it anyway. They'll still send you statements and the account remains active for investment purposes. The corporate minutes were really just for our own documentation to show we made a deliberate business decision rather than accidentally forgetting to contribute. My CPA said it's good practice for audit defense, especially since we switched to offering a different retirement benefit to employees.

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Great question! I actually went through a similar transition when my consulting business grew. You're on the right track - you can absolutely leave your existing SEP IRA open with the current funds and simply stop making new contributions when you switch to the 401(k) plan. Since you'll have employees in 2025, continuing SEP contributions would require you to contribute the same percentage for all eligible employees, which gets expensive fast. The 401(k) route gives you much more flexibility with different contribution levels and employee matching options. One practical tip: when you set up the new 401(k), check if the plan allows incoming rollovers from IRAs. If so, you might want to roll your SEP funds into the 401(k) to consolidate everything in one place. This can also help if you ever want to do backdoor Roth conversions later, since having money in traditional IRAs complicates that strategy due to the pro-rata rule. The transition timing is perfect since you're doing it at the start of a new tax year. Just make sure your 401(k) plan document is properly drafted to handle the contribution types you want (employee deferrals, employer matching, profit sharing, etc.).

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Paolo Longo

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This is really helpful, especially the point about checking if the new 401(k) allows incoming rollovers! I hadn't thought about the backdoor Roth implications either. Quick question - when you mention getting the 401(k) plan document "properly drafted," are there specific provisions I should ask for beyond the basic employee deferrals and matching? I want to make sure I don't limit my options down the road if the business continues to grow.

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Don't forget about the Secured Debt advantage too! If you record the loan against the property (like a second mortgage or deed of trust), it becomes secured debt which gives you stronger tax footing. I learned this lesson the hard way - had a private loan from my in-laws that wasn't recorded against the property. During an audit, the IRS questioned whether it was actually a gift disguised as a loan. Had to produce bank statements showing all the payments made over 3 years to prove it was legit. Now I always record private loans with the county even though it costs a few hundred dollars. The recording fee is worth the peace of mind and stronger tax position.

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Omar Hassan

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How do you record a loan against a property? Is that something I can do myself or do I need an attorney? Sounds expensive...

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You can typically record a private loan yourself without an attorney, though the process varies by county. Most counties have a recorder's office where you file a deed of trust or mortgage document. You'll need to prepare the document (templates are available online), get it notarized, and pay the recording fee (usually $50-200). Some title companies will also handle this for a small fee if you want professional help. The key is making sure the document properly describes the property, loan terms, and parties involved. Once recorded, it becomes public record and gives you that secured debt status for tax purposes. I'd recommend calling your county recorder's office - they can usually walk you through the specific requirements for your area. It's definitely worth doing for larger loans to strengthen your position with the IRS.

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This is a great question that many real estate investors face! The key thing to understand is that the IRS cares more about the legitimate business purpose of the loan than who the lender is. As long as you're using the money specifically for your rental property investment, the interest should be deductible on Schedule E. A few critical points to keep in mind: 1. **Documentation is everything** - Create a formal written loan agreement that includes the principal amount, interest rate, payment schedule, and maturity date. This doesn't need to be overly complex, but it should look professional and be signed by both parties. 2. **Interest rate considerations** - The rate should be reasonable and at arm's length. You can reference the IRS Applicable Federal Rates (AFR) as a baseline. If the rate is significantly below market, the IRS might view part of it as a gift rather than a legitimate loan. 3. **Keep excellent records** - Track all payments made, maintain copies of checks/transfers, and ensure the lender reports the interest income on their tax return. You'll need to provide the lender's information when you file. 4. **Consider recording the loan** - While not required for deductibility, recording a deed of trust or mortgage with your county can provide additional legitimacy and protection for both parties. The fact that it's family doesn't disqualify the deduction - just make sure you treat it like any other business loan with proper documentation and regular payments according to your agreement.

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This is really helpful! I'm just getting started with rental property investing and had no idea about the AFR rates. Quick question - when you mention "at arm's length," does that mean I need to negotiate the rate the same way I would with a bank, or is it okay to discuss family-friendly terms as long as we stay above the AFR minimum? Also, do you know if there's a specific form or template the IRS prefers for these private loan agreements, or is any professional-looking contract sufficient?

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Miguel Ramos

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Great question about "arm's length" - this basically means the terms should be similar to what unrelated parties would agree to. You don't need to negotiate as aggressively as with a bank, but the rate and terms should be reasonable and commercially viable. Using the AFR as your floor is smart - it shows the IRS you're treating this as a legitimate business transaction rather than a family favor. As for loan agreement templates, the IRS doesn't prescribe a specific form, but your document should include: loan amount, interest rate, payment schedule, maturity date, default provisions, and signatures from both parties. Many real estate attorneys or online legal services offer templates specifically for private real estate loans. The key is making it look professional and comprehensive enough that it would hold up under scrutiny. One additional tip: consider having the agreement notarized. While not required, it adds another layer of legitimacy and shows you're taking the loan seriously as a business transaction.

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Random thought, but have you checked the other pages of the 1099? Sometimes the payer info appears on a different page or in a strange spot depending on which tax software they used to generate it. I once found the missing EIN on the "taxpayer copy" page when it was missing from the main form. Worth double-checking before going through all these other steps!

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Good point! Also check if they sent you any other tax forms or letters. Sometimes companies send multiple documents and the EIN might be visible on one of them even if it's hidden on the 1099-MISC. I'd even look at any invoices or payment statements they sent throughout the year - sometimes the EIN is listed there too.

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Arjun Kurti

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This is a really concerning situation that unfortunately happens more often than it should. The hidden/blacked out TIN is definitely not normal and raises some red flags about the company's tax compliance practices. Here's what I'd recommend doing immediately: 1. **Document everything** - Take clear photos of the 1099-MISC showing the hidden TIN, save all your communication attempts (voicemails, emails, etc.) 2. **Send a formal written request** - Send them a certified letter requesting the correct TIN within 10 business days. This creates an official paper trail. 3. **Check all your records** - Look through any contracts, invoices, or payment documents from this company. The EIN might be listed somewhere else. 4. **File Form 4852** if needed - If you can't get the TIN by the filing deadline, use this substitute form and attach documentation of your good faith efforts to obtain the information. The fact that they're not responding to your calls is another red flag. Legitimate businesses should be responsive about tax document issues. Make sure you report all $11,250 as income regardless - the IRS cares more about you reporting the income correctly than having every detail perfect when the payer isn't cooperating. Don't let this delay your filing too much. You can always amend later if you eventually get the correct information.

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Make sure you're tracking everything correctly if you go the real estate professional route. My sister claimed this status and got audited. The IRS was particularly interested in: 1. Evidence that she actually spent 750+ hours on real estate activities 2. Proof that she materially participated in each property 3. Documentation showing she spent more time on real estate than any other occupation They wanted to see phone logs, emails with tenants, receipts for supplies, mileage logs, appointment calendars, etc. The more detailed your records, the better. They rejected some of her hours because she couldn't prove them.

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Maya Patel

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This is important. I use an app to track all my real estate hours - it has GPS verification when I visit properties and lets me take pictures of repairs/maintenance that timestamp when work was done. My CPA said this type of contemporaneous evidence is gold in an audit situation.

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Ravi Sharma

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Based on your description, you have a strong case for qualifying as a real estate professional. Managing 2 properties completely on your own while actively expanding your portfolio definitely shows material participation. The key is going to be documenting those 750+ hours. Here's what I'd recommend starting immediately: **Start tracking NOW**: Even though it's already April, begin logging every minute you spend on real estate activities. Use a detailed spreadsheet or app that timestamps everything. **Reconstruct what you can**: Go back through 2024 and estimate time spent based on: - Text messages with tenants/contractors - Bank statements showing property-related purchases - Calendar appointments for showings/inspections - Mileage logs to properties **Include ALL qualifying activities**: - Tenant screening and communications - Property maintenance and repairs (including travel time) - Financial record-keeping and bookkeeping - Market research for new investments - Time spent on the pre-construction property purchase - Educational activities (real estate courses, seminars) **Document everything going forward**: Take photos of repairs, save all emails, keep receipts with notes about time spent. At your spouse's income level ($145k), the regular $25k rental loss allowance is almost completely phased out, so qualifying as a real estate professional would be huge for your tax situation. Just make sure your documentation is bulletproof!

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Has anyone here used the IRS's Interactive Tax Assistant for this? I tried using it but got confused about what counts as "improvements" versus "repairs" when calculating my basis.

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The basic rule is: if it adds value to your home, prolongs its useful life, or adapts it to new uses, it's an improvement. If it just keeps your home in good condition, it's a repair. Examples of improvements: adding rooms, remodeling kitchen/bath, new roof, new HVAC, finishing basement, adding deck/patio, major landscaping projects. Examples of repairs: painting, fixing leaks, replacing broken windows, repairing appliances, general maintenance. The IRS Publication 523 has more details, but that's the gist of it.

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Great question! I went through this exact process last year when selling my home. One thing that really helped me was keeping a detailed spreadsheet of all improvements from day one of ownership. Even seemingly small things like a new water heater or upgraded electrical outlets can add up to significant basis adjustments. For your situation, you're actually in pretty good shape. With a $250k gain before any adjustments, you're right at the exclusion limit. But remember that the $12k HVAC and $8k buyer credit will reduce your gain further, and any documented improvements over the years will increase your basis. A few practical tips: Keep ALL receipts from improvements (take photos and store them digitally too). For the HVAC situation, since it's being paid at closing as part of the sale negotiation, it's definitely a selling expense that reduces your gain. Don't let your realtor talk you into creative commission arrangements - stick to legitimate, documented transactions. Also, consider having a tax professional review your calculation before filing. Home sales can get complex quickly, and the potential tax savings usually justify the cost of getting it right the first time.

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Miguel Ortiz

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This is such helpful advice! I'm also going through a home sale right now and wish I had started that spreadsheet from day one. I've been scrambling to reconstruct 8 years of improvements from bank statements and old photos. Quick question - you mentioned keeping digital photos of receipts. Do you know if the IRS accepts digital copies during an audit, or do they require original paper receipts? I've been taking photos of everything but wondering if I should also keep the physical copies somewhere safe. Also, completely agree on getting a tax professional involved. The peace of mind alone is worth it when you're dealing with this much money!

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