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Has anyone successfully negotiated with their employer to reduce the Annual Lease Value used in these calculations? My company is using the maximum value in the IRS range for our vehicle class, and I think they could justifiably use a lower value.
I actually did this at my last job. The key is to research the actual fair market value of your specific vehicle (make, model, year, options). Then bring that documentation to HR along with the IRS ALV table showing which range it falls into. In my case, they were using a value based on the most expensive trim level of our company cars, when most of us had the base model. Got them to reduce the ALV by about $1,200, which saved me around $300 a year based on my personal use percentage. Most employers want to be fair, they just don't want to do extra work figuring out individual values.
This is exactly the kind of situation where having proper documentation becomes crucial. I went through something similar when I first got a company car and the deductions seemed way off. A few things to double-check beyond what others have mentioned: 1. Make sure your employer is using the correct "first made available" date for determining the fair market value. If you got the car 6 months ago, they should be using the FMV from when you first received it, not when the company originally purchased/leased it. 2. Verify that they're calculating your personal use percentage correctly. Some companies incorrectly include weekends and holidays when the car just sits in your driveway as "personal use days" rather than basing it purely on actual mileage. 3. Ask for a detailed breakdown of how they calculated both the ALV and your personal use percentage. You're entitled to understand exactly how they arrived at these numbers. The $10,250 ALV does seem high for a basic mid-size sedan unless it's a newer model with higher-end features. I'd definitely recommend looking up your specific vehicle on KBB or Edmunds to get the fair market value, then cross-reference that with the IRS ALV tables to see if they're in the right ballpark. Don't be afraid to push back if the numbers don't add up - most payroll departments will work with you if you can show them specific documentation that their calculations might be off.
Quick tip from someone who trades futures regularly: futures contracts are NOT reported on Form 8949! They're Section 1256 contracts that go on Form 6781. They get special 60/40 tax treatment (60% long-term capital gains, 40% short-term).
This is correct. I'm an active trader and the distinction matters a lot for your tax bill. Section 1256 contracts (futures, foreign currency contracts, etc.) are marked-to-market at year end and get that special 60/40 split treatment. This is usually more favorable than the short-term capital gains rates that apply to most securities trading if held less than a year.
I went through this exact same confusion last year with my futures trading losses! Everyone here is absolutely right - futures are Section 1256 contracts that belong on Form 6781, not Form 8949. This is a huge distinction that can significantly impact your tax liability. The 60/40 treatment for Section 1256 contracts means 60% of your gains/losses are treated as long-term capital gains (taxed at lower rates) and 40% as short-term, regardless of how long you actually held the positions. This is usually much more favorable than regular securities trading. If TurboTax directed you to Form 8949, you likely entered your futures trading in the wrong section. Look for a section specifically for "Section 1256 contracts" or "mark-to-market" trading when you go back to review. Your 1099-B from futures trading should have different codes than regular stock trading - check if it shows code "A" or other Section 1256 indicators. You'll want to correct this before mailing anything to the IRS, as reporting futures on Form 8949 instead of Form 6781 could trigger unnecessary scrutiny or require amendments later.
The Turbotax error message is super misleading. Had the same issue last year and almost overpaid my state taxes. The $2,650 is definitely the gross proceeds (total sales amount) NOT your actual gain.
This happened to me too! I got so confused by these messages. For me, I ended up calling my state's department of revenue directly and they confirmed zero was correct since I had no long-term gains. TurboTax really needs to fix this confusing language.
I had this exact same issue when I moved from California to Texas mid-year! The key thing to understand is that TurboTax is showing you gross proceeds (total amount received from sales) in column A, not your actual capital gains or losses. Since you mentioned all your transactions were short-term and resulted in a net loss, you should definitely enter zero in column B. The form is specifically asking about long-term capital gains that are attributable to your new state, and you don't have any. Don't worry about entering zero - the instructions literally say "If none, enter a zero in column b" for this exact situation. The state understands that not all proceeds shown in column A will be taxable by them, especially when you've moved mid-year and have no long-term gains. I made the mistake of overthinking this and almost entered the wrong amount. Once I realized that proceeds β gains, everything made sense. Your federal return already properly accounts for your actual net loss, so you're all good there.
This is such a relief to read! I've been stressing about this for days. The distinction between proceeds and actual gains makes so much sense now. I was getting confused because TurboTax kept showing that $2,650 number and I couldn't figure out how it related to my actual net loss. Thank you for confirming that zero is the right answer - I was worried I'd mess something up by not entering the full amount. It's frustrating that TurboTax doesn't explain this difference more clearly in their interface. Your California to Texas example really helps since that's a similar interstate move situation.
I negotiated with my CPA to pay based on the actual tax savings they generate for me. Base fee is $900 for preparation, plus 10% of any tax savings they find beyond what I would have gotten with basic software. The first year they found an additional $9k in deductions I'd missed (so I paid $900 + $900), but now it's usually around $1200-1500 total. This incentivizes them to actually look for optimization opportunities instead of just filling out forms. Might be worth asking if any CPAs in your area work on this kind of model.
How do you determine what "you would have gotten with basic software" though? Seems hard to establish that baseline.
Based on what you've shared, $1800 for comprehensive tax planning that identifies $13k+ in annual savings sounds like excellent value. I pay around $1600 annually for similar services and my CPA has consistently found optimization strategies I never would have discovered on my own. The key is making sure they can clearly explain those savings opportunities and that they're legitimate strategies, not aggressive positions that could trigger audits. I'd recommend asking for a detailed breakdown of exactly how they plan to achieve those savings - a good CPA should be able to walk you through each strategy. Also consider the ongoing relationship value. The best CPAs don't just prepare your return once a year - they provide guidance throughout the year on timing decisions, estimated payments, and strategic planning. If this CPA offers that level of service, the fee becomes even more reasonable when you consider the year-round support.
Liam Fitzgerald
Just wanted to add something important that I learned the hard way - make sure to set aside some money for taxes throughout the summer, especially if you end up being classified as an independent contractor! When I worked as a camp counselor two years ago, I was so excited to get my paychecks that I spent everything right away. Then tax season came and I owed money because not enough was withheld (I was technically an employee but they didn't withhold much). It was a scramble to come up with the cash. My advice: put about 15-20% of each paycheck into a separate savings account just for taxes. If you end up getting a refund, great - you have extra money! If you owe, you're covered. This is especially important if you're getting tips too since those often aren't taxed upfront. Also, don't forget about FICA taxes (Social Security and Medicare) - these get taken out regardless of your income level if you're an employee, or you'll owe self-employment tax if you're a contractor. The math can get confusing but it's better to be prepared!
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Sophia Carter
β’This is excellent advice! I wish someone had told me this when I started working. Setting aside money for taxes is so important - I learned this lesson with my first part-time job in high school when I suddenly owed $300 at tax time and had no idea it was coming. One thing to add - if you do end up owing taxes and don't have enough withheld, you might also owe an underpayment penalty if it's a significant amount. The IRS generally wants you to pay as you go, not all at once in April. For most young people with simple tax situations this isn't usually an issue, but it's something to be aware of. The 15-20% rule is spot on. I actually use a simple rule: every time I get paid, I immediately transfer 20% to a separate "tax savings" account and pretend that money doesn't exist until tax season. It's saved me so much stress over the years!
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Alice Coleman
Great thread everyone! As someone who's helped a lot of young people with their first tax situations, I want to emphasize a few key points that can save you headaches: **The most important thing to do RIGHT NOW** is to ask your camp during orientation about your employment classification. Don't wait until you get your first paycheck to find out if you're an employee or contractor - this affects everything from how much tax is withheld to what forms you'll receive. **For your specific situation with $3,500 income**: You likely won't owe federal income tax, but you'll still owe FICA taxes (Social Security/Medicare) if you're an employee, or self-employment tax if you're a contractor. Many first-time workers get surprised by this. **Michigan specific tip**: Michigan requires filing if you had ANY state tax withheld, regardless of income amount. So even if your federal filing isn't required, you might still need to file state. **Documentation is everything**: Start a simple folder (physical or digital) right now for all your tax documents. Keep every paystub, any receipts for required work supplies, and notes about your employment classification. Future you will thank present you! The advice about setting aside 15-20% for taxes is spot on. Even if you think you won't owe anything, it's better to be prepared. And definitely keep track of any cash tips - they're taxable income even if nobody tells you that upfront. You're asking the right questions early, which puts you way ahead of most people! Don't stress too much - first-time filing is always intimidating but you've got this.
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Oliver Becker
β’This is such a comprehensive overview, thank you! I'm actually starting a camp counselor job next month too and had no idea about the FICA taxes part. When you mention asking about employment classification during orientation - what exactly should I ask? Should I just say "Am I classified as an employee or independent contractor?" or is there a better way to phrase it? Also, for the Michigan filing requirement - if they withhold state tax but I don't actually owe any, would I get that refunded when I file? I'm trying to understand if it's worth having them withhold state taxes or if I should try to minimize withholding since my income will be so low.
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