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Noland Curtis

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Be careful about keeping a business technically "open" but dormant for too long. I did this and it created some unexpected complications: 1) Had to keep filing zero-income Schedule C forms each year 2) Some states (like California) have minimum franchise taxes even for inactive businesses 3) Had to maintain certain business licenses and registrations which cost money 4) Created confusion with local tax authorities If you don't realistically expect to restart the business within a year or two, sometimes it's cleaner to just close it properly and start fresh if needed later. Those QBI losses might never be usable if you're fully transitioned to W2 income anyway.

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Diez Ellis

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I second this. I kept my LLC "alive" for 3 years after stopping operations and it was a pain. Annual fees, extra tax forms, and explanations to lenders about the "dormant business" on my tax returns when applying for a mortgage. Not worth it unless you have a concrete plan to restart operations.

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This is a great discussion that touches on something I dealt with recently. One thing worth considering is the interaction between QBI losses and the overall Section 199A deduction limitation based on your taxable income. Even if you do generate future QBI to offset those carryforward losses, remember that the Section 199A deduction is still limited to 20% of your taxable income minus net capital gains. So if you're earning W2 income and have other deductions that reduce your taxable income significantly, you might not be able to fully utilize the QBI benefit even when you do have positive qualified business income. I learned this the hard way when I started a small side business thinking I could immediately benefit from my old QBI losses. The math worked out differently than I expected because of the taxable income limitation. It's another factor to consider when deciding whether to keep a dormant business alive or just close it cleanly. Also, regarding the state-level complications others mentioned - some states don't follow federal QBI rules at all, so you could be maintaining a business entity for federal tax benefits that don't even apply at the state level where you might owe annual fees or taxes.

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This is exactly the kind of nuanced detail that makes QBI planning so tricky! I hadn't fully considered how the taxable income limitation could affect the ability to actually use those carryforward losses even when you do generate QBI again. Your point about state-level differences is particularly important too. It seems like there are so many moving parts to consider - federal QBI rules, state conformity issues, entity maintenance costs, and now the taxable income cap limitations. Makes me wonder if keeping a business technically alive just for potential future QBI benefits is really worth it for most people, especially if they're primarily W2 employees going forward. Did you end up closing your dormant business after realizing the taxable income limitation issue, or did you find ways to work around it?

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Wesley Hallow

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I'm actually a bit confused why you need Form 8453 at all? I've been e-filing for years and have never had to mail anything afterward. Most tax software handles everything electronically now.

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Justin Chang

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It depends on your specific tax situation. Form 8453 is only required in certain cases where you have documents that can't be e-filed. Most common e-filed returns don't need it anymore, but there are exceptions like certain paper statements that require signatures, supporting documentation for specific deductions, or certain types of foreign income reporting.

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Sofia PeΓ±a

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I had a similar situation last year! The 3 business day rule mentioned earlier is correct - you wait for IRS acceptance confirmation, then mail Form 8453 within 3 business days. One thing that might help with your timing concerns: you can actually prepare everything in advance. Get your Form 8453 ready to go (just don't sign it until after e-file acceptance), put all required attachments together, and have the envelope addressed and stamped. That way, as soon as you get the acceptance email, you can quickly sign the form and drop it in the mail. Since you're leaving April 20th, I'd suggest e-filing by April 15th at the latest to give yourself a buffer. Most e-file acceptances come through within 24-48 hours, so you should have time to mail the 8453 before your trip. Also double-check with your tax software exactly which documents you need to include - sometimes it flags Form 8453 when it's not actually required for your specific situation.

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Samantha Hall

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This is really helpful advice about preparing everything in advance! I'm in a similar situation where I need to travel soon after filing. Quick question - when you say "don't sign it until after e-file acceptance," does that mean the signature date on Form 8453 should match the date you actually mail it, not the date you originally filed electronically? I want to make sure I'm not creating any timing issues with the IRS by having mismatched dates.

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Kevin Bell

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mine took 9 months last year but i got interest added atleast πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

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Savannah Glover

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wait fr? how much interest did they give u?

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Kevin Bell

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like 5% annually. ended up being a few hundred $ extra

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Julian Paolo

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CP75 audits are definitely rough - had one last year and it took about 8 months total. The key is to respond quickly with all the documentation they request (W-2s, bank statements, childcare records if you claimed EIC with kids). Don't wait for them to send follow-up letters. Also keep copies of everything you send them because they "lose" stuff sometimes. The interest does help a little when you finally get your refund but obviously waiting that long sucks.

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Sean O'Connor

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@Julian Paolo that s'super helpful advice! Quick question - when you sent your documentation, did you use certified mail or just regular mail? I m'paranoid about them claiming they never received it. Also, did you have to provide bank statements for the whole year or just specific months?

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@Julian Paolo definitely sending everything certified mail from now on! One more question - did you have to get a tax professional involved or were you able to handle the CP75 response yourself? I m'wondering if it s'worth the cost to have someone help with the documentation

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Was in your exact shoes last year with $38k self-employment and two kids over 18. Thought I was going to owe thousands, but you know what? After claiming my legitimate business deductions (home office, mileage, supplies, health insurance premiums), the QBI deduction, and finding out my 19-year-old still qualified as my dependent because she was a full-time student, I only ended up owing $2,100. Not great, but way better than the $7k I was panicking about! Set up an IRS payment plan and now I'm making quarterly payments for 2024. Doesn't the whole self-employment tax system seem designed to trip us up?

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Madison Tipne

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I'm in almost the identical situation - self-employed with around $36k income and two adult kids (19 and 21). What I learned from my tax preparer last year is that the key factors are: 1) Whether your daughters qualify as dependents (the college student rule for the 20-year-old is crucial), 2) Tracking every possible business expense you can legitimately claim, and 3) Don't forget about the QBI deduction which can reduce your taxable income by up to 20%. Based on similar situations I've seen in this community, you're probably looking at owing somewhere between $3,000-$5,000, but it could be significantly less with proper deductions. The good news is the IRS offers reasonable payment plans if you can't pay it all at once. Have you been keeping receipts for business expenses throughout the year?

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Amara Nnamani

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This is really helpful! I'm new to being self-employed and had no idea about the QBI deduction - that sounds like it could make a big difference. Can you explain more about what qualifies as legitimate business expenses? I've been keeping some receipts but I'm honestly not sure what I can and can't deduct. Also, for the college student rule - does it matter if my daughter is taking online classes or does it have to be traditional on-campus enrollment? I'm trying to figure out if I've been overthinking this whole tax situation or if I really should be as worried as I am!

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Alice Fleming

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Has anyone here used TurboTax for their home office deduction? I've been using it for years but it seems like it doesn't handle Form 8829 well when there's a business loss. I'm wondering if FreeTaxUSA or others do a better job with this specific situation.

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Hassan Khoury

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FreeTaxUSA actually handles this situation really well! It clearly shows your Form 8829 carryforward amount and even has a worksheet that tracks it for future years. I switched from TurboTax two years ago and it's way better for home office stuff, especially with the business loss situation.

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Just wanted to share my experience with the home office deduction as someone who went through the exact same situation! I have a small freelance writing business that I run from a dedicated room in my house while working my regular W-2 job. One thing that really helped me understand the Form 8829 vs Schedule C confusion was learning that Form 8829 is specifically for expenses related to the physical space of your home office, while Schedule C is for general business expenses. So your mortgage interest and property taxes definitely go on Form 8829 as indirect expenses (since they benefit your whole house), and then Form 8829 calculates what portion can be deducted based on your 15% usage. The carryforward aspect was a game-changer for me. Even though my business showed a loss the first year, I still completed Form 8829 because those unused deductions carried forward to the next year when I became profitable. My tax software (I use FreeTaxUSA too) automatically tracked this, but I also kept my own spreadsheet just to be safe. One tip: make sure you're measuring your office space correctly for that percentage calculation. The IRS can be picky about this, so I actually drew a floor plan with measurements to document it properly.

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Lydia Bailey

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This is really helpful, especially the tip about documenting the floor plan! I'm curious about your measurement method - did you include closets and hallways that are part of accessing your office space, or just the actual room itself? I've seen conflicting information about whether connecting spaces count toward the business use percentage. Also, when you say FreeTaxUSA automatically tracked the carryforward, did it show you exactly how much was being carried forward on the actual forms, or just in a summary somewhere? I want to make sure I can see the specific numbers for my records.

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