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Can anyone confirm if we're supposed to check box 13b on Schedule A of Form 8936? The instructions are unclear but that box specifically asks if you transferred the credit to the dealer.
Yes, absolutely check box 13b! That's the flag that tells the IRS system you transferred the credit. Then enter $0 on Schedule 3. I spoke with my uncle who works at the IRS (in a different department but still familiar with these forms) and he confirmed this is the correct procedure.
Thanks everyone for the detailed responses! This has been incredibly helpful. I was definitely overthinking this situation. Based on what I'm reading here, it sounds like the consensus is: 1. Complete Form 8936 showing I qualify for the credit 2. Check box 13b on Schedule A indicating I transferred to dealer 3. Enter $0 on Schedule 3 Line 6f with "TRANSFERRED" notation 4. Attach a statement referencing IRC Section 30D(g) with my dealer documentation I really appreciate the specific IRC section references and sample statement language from @Hugh Intensity - that gives me confidence I'm documenting this properly. And @Melissa Lin, thanks for confirming about box 13b, I was definitely unsure about that checkbox. It's frustrating that the IRS instructions don't make this clearer, but at least there seems to be a consistent approach that works. I'll go with this method and keep all my documentation organized in case there are any follow-up questions. You've all saved me from either underpaying my taxes or spending hours on hold trying to reach the IRS directly!
This is such a great summary of all the advice in this thread! I'm dealing with the same exact situation and was getting overwhelmed by all the conflicting information I found online. Having it broken down into those clear steps makes it much more manageable. One quick question - when you attach the statement, are you including it as a separate page or writing it directly on the form somewhere? I want to make sure the IRS processors see it and don't miss the explanation for why I'm showing $0 on Schedule 3 despite qualifying for the credit. Also really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences here. It's reassuring to know this is a common issue and there's a established way to handle it properly.
Has anyone tried reporting this kind of thing using TurboTax or H&R Block software? I'm in a similar situation and wondering which tax software handles gambling income/losses through proxy betting the best.
I used TurboTax last year for a similar situation. It handles the gambling income/loss reporting fine, but doesn't really guide you through the documentation aspect which is what really matters. You'll need to organize all that yourself regardless of what software you use.
I went through something very similar last year and can share what worked for me. The key thing to understand is that the IRS focuses on economic substance - who actually owned the money and bore the risk of the bets. Here's what I did that helped: 1. Created a detailed log showing every transfer to friends with dates, amounts, and purposes 2. Screenshots of all text conversations coordinating bets 3. Bank/payment app statements showing the money flow 4. Written statements from my friends confirming they were placing bets on my behalf with my money For the W-2G issue, my friend and I worked with a CPA to handle it properly. My friend reported the W-2G income on his return, then we documented the transfer to me as the beneficial owner. I reported the same amount as gambling income on my return with supporting documentation. The most important thing is having a clear paper trail. The IRS auditor I eventually spoke with said they see this situation more often than you'd think, and as long as you can prove the money was yours and you're honestly reporting everything, they're not concerned with platform terms of service violations. One tip: calculate whether itemizing actually saves you money before going that route. In my case, I had enough other deductions to make itemizing worthwhile, but if gambling losses are your only major deduction, the standard deduction might be better financially.
This is really helpful, thank you! I'm curious about the timeline - how long did it take from when you filed your return to when you actually spoke with an IRS auditor? I'm trying to prepare myself mentally for how long this process might drag out. Also, did having the written statements from your friends make a big difference, or was the electronic transfer documentation sufficient on its own?
This appears to be a CP2000 Proposed Adjustment Notice or similar correspondence. These notices typically involve a discrepancy between income reported on your return versus information the IRS received from third parties. The processing timeframe after acceptance varies based on current IRS backlog status and submission method. Electronic submission via the IRS portal generally results in faster processing (6-12 weeks) compared to mail submission (12-16 weeks).
I submitted my signed form on March 23rd and still haven't received my refund. Is there a specific date when I should start to worry? I'm planning my summer expenses around this refund.
I analyzed the IRS processing patterns for these adjustment responses using data from various forums. The mean processing time for electronic submissions is 8.3 weeks with a standard deviation of 2.4 weeks. Mail submissions show significantly higher variance with processing times ranging from 10-20 weeks. Authentication protocols for these submissions require multi-stage verification, which contributes to the extended timeline.
I went through this exact process about 18 months ago with a CP2000 notice. Here's what I learned: definitely use the upload option through the IRS website - it's much faster than mail. I submitted mine electronically and got my adjusted refund in about 7 weeks. Make sure to take screenshots of your submission confirmation and save any reference numbers they give you. Also, set up online account access at irs.gov if you haven't already so you can monitor your account transcript for updates. The transcript will show processing codes that indicate where your case stands in the system. One tip: if you're uploading, make sure your signature is clear and the document quality is good - poor scans can cause delays.
Just wanted to add something important that might affect your decision between superseded vs amended - if you're doing the backdoor Roth conversion, you'll need to report both the recharacterization AND the conversion on your return using Forms 8606 and possibly 1099-R reporting. A superseded return might be cleaner here because you can report everything as one cohesive filing rather than having the original return show incorrect Roth contributions and then an amendment trying to explain the backdoor process. The IRS matching systems sometimes flag discrepancies between what custodians report (via 1099-R forms) and what's on your return, so having everything properly aligned from the start could save you from getting automated notices later. Also, since you mentioned you already got your refund - if the backdoor Roth process changes your tax liability, you might owe additional taxes or be entitled to a larger refund. With a superseded return, this gets calculated fresh. With an amended return, you're working off the original calculation which can sometimes make the forms more complicated to fill out correctly. Whatever route you choose, make sure your tax pro has experience with backdoor Roth reporting - it's one of those areas where small mistakes can create big headaches with the IRS later!
This is exactly the kind of detailed insight I was hoping for! The point about IRS matching systems flagging discrepancies between custodian reports and tax returns is something I hadn't even considered. That alone makes me lean toward the superseded return if I'm still within the deadline. Quick follow-up question - when you mention the backdoor Roth process potentially changing tax liability, are you referring to the pro-rata rule if someone has existing traditional IRA balances? I think I'm clean on that front since we don't have any other IRAs, but want to make sure I'm not missing something else that could affect the tax calculation. Also really appreciate the warning about making sure whoever I hire has specific experience with backdoor Roth reporting. Sounds like this is definitely not the time to go with the cheapest option!
Just went through this exact situation a few months ago! One thing that really helped me decide was understanding that if you've already received your refund and are still before the filing deadline, you CAN file a superseded return, but you'll need to include payment for any refund amount that needs to be returned based on your corrected calculations. In my case, the backdoor Roth conversion actually increased my tax liability slightly (due to some Traditional IRA balances I had forgotten about triggering the pro-rata rule), so I had to send in additional payment with my superseded return. My tax preparer said this is pretty common and the IRS handles it routinely. The key advantage I found with the superseded approach was exactly what Carmen mentioned - cleaner reporting of the recharacterization and conversion transactions. When everything is reported correctly from the start, there's less chance of getting those automated CP2000 notices later when the IRS computers try to match up your 1099-R forms from your IRA custodian. One tip: make sure to keep detailed records of all the dates when your recharacterization and conversion transactions actually settled. The IRS wants to see that everything happened in the correct order and timeframe, especially if you're doing this process after initially filing your return.
This is super helpful, especially the point about potentially owing additional payment with a superseded return if your tax liability increases. I hadn't thought about how the pro-rata rule could come into play - that's exactly the kind of complexity that makes me realize I definitely need professional help with this. Quick question about the timing you mentioned - when you say you need to keep records of when the recharacterization and conversion transactions "settled," are you referring to the trade date or the settlement date? My IRA custodian shows both dates on their statements and I want to make sure I'm documenting the right ones for the IRS. Also, did you have any issues with your custodian processing both transactions quickly enough to get everything done before you filed your superseded return? I'm worried about running up against the deadline while waiting for the transactions to complete.
Liv Park
Don't worry, you're totally normal! As a first-time filer myself last year, I was checking every single day too. Generally takes 1-3 weeks after acceptance for transcripts to show up. Since you just filed last week, you're still well within the normal timeframe. The IRS system updates in batches, usually Tuesday/Wednesday/Friday mornings, so try checking then instead of refreshing constantly (learned that the hard way š ). You'll drive yourself crazy otherwise!
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StarStrider
ā¢Same here! First time filing and I was literally setting alarms to check at those specific times š The batch update thing is so helpful to know - saves me from checking randomly throughout the day. Thanks for sharing your experience!
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Christian Bierman
Don't stress! I'm also a first-time filer and was in your exact same situation. Filed through TurboTax about 3 weeks ago and kept obsessively checking the transcript page - it finally showed up yesterday! The waiting is definitely nerve-wracking when you don't know what's normal. From what I've learned lurking in this sub, anywhere from 1-4 weeks is totally typical, especially during tax season when they're swamped. Try to resist the urge to check more than once a day (easier said than done, I know!). You're doing great - filing for the first time is a big step!
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