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Has anyone actually gone through the process of withdrawing excess contributions from a SEP-IRA? I'm in a similar situation (contributed about $9k too much) and wondering how complicated the process is. Do I need to specify which investments to sell if the money is already invested? And do I need to calculate the earnings myself or does the brokerage handle that?
I had to withdraw excess SEP-IRA contributions last year. The process wasn't too bad - I called my provider (Fidelity) and told them I needed to do an "excess contribution removal." They had a special form for this purpose. They calculated the earnings portion for me based on the performance of my investments during the time the excess was in the account. I did have to specify which investments to sell to generate the cash for the withdrawal. Once processed, they sent me a 1099-R the following January showing the distribution coded properly as an excess contribution return. Definitely do this before filing your taxes if possible!
I went through this exact same situation two years ago and can share some practical steps that worked for me. First, don't panic - this is more common than you think and is fixable. Here's what I learned: You're correct that you can't make employer contributions to both a SEP-IRA and Solo 401k that exceed the 25% limit in total. However, your $22,500 employee contribution to the Solo 401k is completely separate from this limit and is fine. For the SEP-IRA excess withdrawal, contact your provider immediately. Most major brokerages (Fidelity, Schwab, Vanguard) have dedicated forms for this. They'll calculate any earnings on the excess amount and remove both the excess contribution and earnings. You'll get a 1099-R next year, but it won't be taxable income since it's coded as an excess contribution return. One tip: if your investments have lost value since you made the contribution, you might actually get back less than you contributed, which reduces the amount you owe taxes on. The key is to do this before your tax filing deadline (including extensions) to avoid the 6% annual penalty. Also double-check your net self-employment income calculation - make sure you're deducting half of your self-employment tax before calculating the 25% limit. This often reduces the excess amount more than people expect.
This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I'm curious about the timing aspect - if I'm filing an extension, does that give me until October to fix this, or do I still need to handle it by April 15th? Also, when you mention that losses could actually work in my favor, does that mean if my SEP-IRA investments are down since I made the contributions, I'd withdraw less than the $5,000-ish excess I contributed but still be considered "fixed" for tax purposes? I'm also wondering if anyone has experience with how long the excess contribution removal process typically takes. I want to make sure I have enough time to get this sorted before whatever the real deadline is.
Just wanted to share a success story - I was in this exact situation last tax season! Had claimed my nephew as a dependent then realized my sister had already claimed him (oops, family communication fail š¤¦āāļø). Used TurboTax to amend electronically in April 2023, and surprisingly it was processed by mid-June. The original refund came through normally about 3 weeks after filing, then the adjustment amount (which was a payment I had to make) was handled separately. The whole process was WAY less painful than I expected. Just make sure you have all your documents ready before starting the amendment - saves a ton of time!
Thanks for sharing your experience, Jamal! That's really reassuring to hear. I'm in a similar boat - just realized I might have made an error with my dependent claim and I've been stressing about it for days. Your timeline is super helpful to know. Quick question though - when you say the adjustment amount was a payment you had to make, does that mean you ended up owing money because of the dependency change? I'm trying to figure out if I should expect to owe something back or if it could go either way. Also, did TurboTax charge an additional fee for filing the amendment?
Great question about the fees and financial impact! I'm curious about this too since I'm considering amending my return. From what I've read, it really depends on what credits and deductions change when you remove a dependent. If you were claiming Child Tax Credit or Earned Income Credit based on that dependent, you'd likely owe money back. But if it was just the standard dependent exemption, the impact might be smaller. As for TurboTax fees, I believe they do charge for amendments - I think it was around $40-50 when I looked into it last year, but don't quote me on that exact amount. Definitely worth checking their current pricing before starting the process!
This thread has been incredibly educational - thank you all for sharing such detailed insights! As a newcomer to this community but someone facing a somewhat similar property situation, I wanted to ask about one aspect that hasn't been fully covered. Given the complexity of your quit-claim deed acquisition and the substantial gain involved, have you considered the potential benefits of consulting with an Enrolled Agent (EA) in addition to the CPAs and tax attorneys mentioned? EAs specialize specifically in tax matters and can represent you before the IRS, which might be valuable given the unique nature of your transaction. Also, I'm curious about the depreciation calculation - since you mentioned taking over the mortgage payments, did you start depreciating the property immediately when you acquired title, or did you wait until you started receiving rental income? The timing of when depreciation begins could affect your total depreciation recapture amount. One more thought on documentation: since this involved helping someone avoid foreclosure, there might be some community benefit or charitable aspects to your arrangement that could be relevant for tax purposes. While I don't think it would change your capital gains calculation, it might provide additional context that strengthens the legitimacy of your transaction structure. Looking forward to hearing how this all works out for you - this has been an incredibly valuable learning experience!
Great question about Enrolled Agents! I hadn't considered that option, but given the specialized nature of this situation, having someone who specifically represents taxpayers before the IRS could definitely be valuable. Especially since EAs often have deep experience with complex property transactions and depreciation issues. Your point about the timing of depreciation is really important too. From what I understand, you're supposed to start depreciating rental property when it's "placed in service" - which would typically be when it's available for rent, not necessarily when you first receive rental income. Since we had the rental arrangement in place right away, I believe we should have been depreciating from when we acquired the property, but I'll definitely need to verify this with our tax professional. The community benefit angle is interesting - we definitely saw this as helping prevent a family from losing their home, though we structured it as a business transaction. I wonder if documenting that community impact could help support the arms-length nature of the deal if the IRS has questions. Thanks for raising these thoughtful points - it's clear there are even more layers to consider than I initially realized!
This has been such an enlightening discussion! As someone who's been dealing with rental property taxes for several years, I wanted to add a perspective on timing that might be relevant to your situation. Given that you're looking at a substantial capital gain of nearly $400k, you might want to consider the "bunching" strategy for your overall tax planning. If you have other deductible expenses you can control the timing of (charitable contributions, business expenses, etc.), you could potentially bunch them into the same year as your property sale to help offset some of the tax impact. Also, since you mentioned the rental period is almost over, make sure you're clear on your depreciation calculations through the end of the rental period. If you sell mid-year, you'll need to prorate the depreciation for that final year, and the timing could affect whether certain expenses are deductible as rental expenses versus added to your basis. One practical tip from my experience: start gathering all your documentation now, even if you don't sell until next year. I made the mistake of waiting until after I sold to organize everything, and it was a nightmare trying to reconstruct 8 years of improvement receipts and rental records. Having everything organized ahead of time will make the actual sale process much smoother and give you confidence in your tax calculations. The professional advice everyone's mentioned is spot-on - with gains this size, the cost of proper tax planning will be a tiny fraction of what you could save in taxes or avoid in penalties if something goes wrong.
This entire discussion has been absolutely enlightening! As a tax professional who works primarily with middle-class clients, I'm frankly amazed at how clearly everyone has broken down these wealth preservation strategies. What's particularly striking to me is how the "buy, borrow, die" approach essentially creates a legal framework for intergenerational wealth transfer that completely bypasses our progressive tax system. The stepped-up basis provision means that not only do billionaires avoid taxes during their lifetimes, but their heirs inherit assets with no accumulated tax liability whatsoever. From a policy perspective, this seems like the most obvious area for reform. While implementing a wealth tax or changing lending regulations would be complex, simply eliminating or capping the stepped-up basis could close this loophole without requiring massive administrative changes. What I find most concerning is how this creates different economic incentives for different wealth classes. Regular people are incentivized to realize gains and pay taxes to access their wealth, while the ultra-wealthy are incentivized to never realize gains and instead leverage them indefinitely. This fundamentally distorts investment behavior and capital allocation in ways that probably have broader economic consequences we don't fully understand. The democratization of these strategies through tools like those mentioned here is interesting, but as others have noted, it could create systemic risks if adoption becomes widespread. We might be looking at strategies that work precisely because they're exclusive.
This is such an important perspective from someone who works directly in tax preparation! Your point about the stepped-up basis being the most obvious target for reform really resonates with me. It seems like that provision is what truly makes the "buy, borrow, die" strategy so powerful - without it, there would at least be some eventual reckoning with accumulated gains. What I'm curious about from your professional experience is whether you see middle-class clients who could potentially benefit from even basic versions of these strategies but just don't know they exist? Like, are there people with substantial 401k balances or home equity who might be able to access better lending terms than they realize? The point about distorted investment incentives is fascinating and something I hadn't considered. If our tax system essentially penalizes people for accessing their wealth while rewarding those who can afford to never touch it, that probably creates some really weird market dynamics. It makes me wonder if this contributes to asset bubbles or other inefficiencies that affect everyone, not just the ultra-wealthy. I'm also struck by your observation that these strategies work because they're exclusive. It's almost like a financial version of a secret that loses its power if too many people know it. That suggests any meaningful reform would need to address the fundamental structural issues rather than just trying to democratize access to the same strategies. Thanks for bringing that policy perspective - it really helps frame why this isn't just about individual tax optimization but about broader systemic fairness and economic efficiency.
This has been such an incredible deep dive into how wealth really works at the highest levels! As someone who's always been curious about these financial strategies but never knew where to start learning, this thread has been absolutely eye-opening. What really struck me throughout this discussion is how the "buy, borrow, die" strategy isn't just a clever tax hack - it's actually a completely different relationship with money and economic risk that most of us can't even conceptualize. The idea that someone could live their entire life without ever converting their wealth to taxable income is mind-blowing. The family office concept was particularly revelatory. I had always assumed wealthy people just had "good accountants," but learning that they have entire teams of specialists coordinating complex financial strategies across multiple institutions really explains how these approaches work so seamlessly. It's not just about knowing the strategies exist - it's about having the professional infrastructure to implement them properly. I'm also fascinated by the potential democratization of some of these concepts through the tools people mentioned. Even if I can't operate at the Elon Musk level, the idea that someone with a few hundred thousand in assets might be able to use securities-backed lending instead of selling stocks and paying capital gains is something I never would have considered. The broader policy implications are really concerning though. If our tax system is essentially built around the assumption that people will convert wealth to income and pay taxes on it, but the ultra-wealthy have found ways to bypass that entirely, we might be looking at fundamental structural problems that go way beyond just adjusting tax rates. This conversation has completely changed how I think about wealth inequality - it's not just about having more money, but about having access to entirely different financial systems and economic physics.
Butch Sledgehammer
One more tip that might help - if this is your first time dealing with estimated tax payments and you have a clean tax compliance history for the past 3 years, you might qualify for "first-time penalty abatement" even if Form 2210 shows you owe a penalty. This is separate from the form itself - you'd need to call the IRS after filing to request it, but it can completely waive underpayment penalties for taxpayers who haven't had issues before. Given that your situation arose from legitimate life changes (job switch + new freelance income), you'd likely be a good candidate. Also, for next year, consider making estimated payments if you expect similar freelance income. The general rule is if you'll owe more than $1,000 in tax beyond what's withheld, you should make quarterly payments. You can use Form 1040ES to calculate the amounts, or even just pay 25% of this year's total tax each quarter to be safe under the prior year safe harbor rule.
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Zainab Ahmed
ā¢This is really valuable information! I had no idea about the first-time penalty abatement option. My tax history has been pretty straightforward until this year, so that could be a great backup plan if the Form 2210 calculations don't work out as well as I'm hoping. The estimated payments advice for next year is also super helpful. I'm definitely planning to keep doing freelance work, so I should probably set up a system to make those quarterly payments. Is there a specific deadline for each quarter, or is it just every 3 months from when you start earning? Thanks for taking the time to share all these details - this community has been incredibly helpful for navigating something that seemed really intimidating at first!
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Marcus Williams
ā¢The estimated tax payment deadlines are actually set dates each year, not every 3 months from when you start earning. For 2025, they'll be: - Q1: January 15, 2025 (covers Jan-Mar income) - Q2: April 15, 2025 (covers Apr-May income) - Q3: June 16, 2025 (covers Jun-Aug income) - Q4: September 15, 2025 (covers Sep-Dec income) Note that the final payment for 2025 is actually due with your tax return filing in early 2026, so you don't need to make a Q4 estimated payment if you file and pay by January 31st. Since you're starting freelance work, I'd recommend setting aside about 25-30% of your freelance income for taxes (federal income tax, self-employment tax, and possibly state tax). You can make the payments online through EFTPS or by mail with Form 1040ES vouchers. Many freelancers find it easier to just make equal payments each quarter based on their expected annual income rather than trying to calculate exactly what they owe each period.
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Vera Visnjic
For what it's worth, I went through something very similar when I started consulting work a few years back. Form 2210 seemed like this scary, complicated thing at first, but once you understand what it's actually doing, it's not too bad. The key thing to remember is that the form is basically just the IRS's way of saying "hey, we noticed your tax payments didn't come in evenly throughout the year - let's figure out if that's actually a problem or not." In many cases, especially when your income timing was genuinely uneven like yours, the form actually works in your favor. Since you mentioned most of your freelance income came in Q4, you're probably going to benefit significantly from using the annualized income method. I had a similar situation where about 70% of my consulting income came in the last few months of the year, and Form 2210 reduced what would have been a $200+ penalty down to about $15. The other thing that really helped me was keeping better records for the following year. I started tracking my quarterly income and making estimated payments, which eliminated the whole Form 2210 headache going forward. It's actually kind of nice having that predictable system once you get used to it. Don't let the complexity intimidate you - TurboTax will walk you through it step by step, and you're likely going to be pleasantly surprised by how much it reduces any potential penalty!
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NeonNinja
ā¢This is exactly the kind of reassurance I needed to hear! It's so helpful to know that someone else went through the same situation and came out fine on the other side. Your experience with the annualized income method saving you that much money is really encouraging - it sounds like I'm in a very similar boat with the timing of my freelance income. I'm definitely going to set up a better system for next year too. The idea of making regular estimated payments and avoiding this whole Form 2210 situation in the future sounds much less stressful than scrambling to figure it all out at tax time. Thanks for sharing your experience and for the encouragement - it really helps to know this is a common situation that people navigate successfully!
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