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Understanding 1099-R distribution codes 8B and BP from Roth 401k excess contribution

This is about federal and Pennsylvania state income tax reporting for my Roth 401k distribution. I received a distribution from my Roth 401k in November 2021 that was labeled as an "excess deferral correction" for 2020. The weird thing is, I definitely didn't exceed the published contribution limits for 2020. Apparently, my employer's plan underwent an audit, and they determined my limit should have been lower than the standard published limit. I'm not a highly compensated employee, and I'm only 43 years old. I received two separate 1099-R forms for 2021: First form with distribution code BP: * Box 1 (gross distribution): around $510 * Box 2a (taxable amount): $0 * Box 5 (employee contributions/Roth contributions): same as Box 1 ($510) * Box 16 (state distribution): $0 * Box 19 (local distribution): $0 * Box 2b "taxable amount not determined" is NOT checked Second form with distribution code 8B: * Box 1 (gross distribution): about $650 * Box 2a (taxable amount): same as Box 1 ($650) * Box 5 (employee contributions/Roth contributions): $0 * Box 16 (state distribution): same as Box 1 ($650) * Box 19 (local distribution): $0 * Box 2b "taxable amount not determined" is NOT checked The paperwork that came with the distribution check mentioned that when excess deferrals and allocable income are distributed from Roth deferrals (which mine were), the corrective amount is only taxable in the distribution year. After researching this more, I'm thinking I don't need to amend my 2020 return since this was Roth 401k money, and the amount on the BP-coded form was already part of what I paid taxes on in 2020. It shouldn't be taxable income for 2021 either. The problem is that TurboTax is completely ignoring the $0 taxable amount on the BP-coded 1099-R and adding that into my 2021 taxable income. It's also telling me I might need to amend my 2020 return. Am I right that my 2020 return doesn't need an amendment? And can I just leave off the BP-coded 1099-R from my 2021 filing altogether?

Omar Fawaz

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Can we talk about how ridiculously complicated this whole process is? I mean, why on earth do they use cryptic codes like BP and 8B instead of just clearly stating what each distribution is? And why doesn't tax software correctly handle these common situations? I had a similar issue last year with an excess contribution to my Roth IRA (different from your 401k situation but similar principle) and ended up paying hundreds to a CPA just to fix what should be straightforward. The tax code is deliberately made confusing so that average people mess up and either overpay or have to hire expensive help.

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I actually build tax software for a living and can explain why this happens. These distribution codes are relatively rare edge cases that affect a small percentage of filers. Software companies prioritize the most common scenarios that affect millions of users. The real issue is that the IRS uses these complex codes that combine multiple statuses (like B+P becoming BP) rather than having separate fields for different attributes of a distribution. It's an antiquated system that doesn't translate well to modern software logic. We're constantly playing catch-up to handle these special cases.

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I just went through this exact situation with my Roth 401k excess contributions! The confusion is totally understandable - these distribution codes are incredibly confusing even for tax professionals. Here's what I learned after dealing with this mess: You're absolutely right that you don't need to amend your 2020 return. The BP-coded distribution represents the return of your already-taxed Roth contributions, so it shouldn't be taxable in 2021 either. The 8B-coded distribution is the earnings on those excess contributions, which IS taxable in 2021. The tricky part is getting TurboTax to handle this correctly. What worked for me was: 1. Enter both 1099-Rs as normal 2. For the BP form, look for an "override" or "adjust" option when TurboTax tries to add it to taxable income 3. Force the taxable amount to remain $0 for the BP distribution 4. Let TurboTax handle the 8B form normally since it's correctly treating that as taxable One thing that helped me understand this better was realizing that when your plan fails ADP testing (which sounds like what happened to you), they have to return contributions even from non-highly compensated employees to bring the plan back into compliance. It's not your fault - it's a plan-wide issue. Don't skip reporting the BP form entirely - you need to report it but ensure it's not taxed twice. The IRS expects to see both 1099-Rs on your return even if one isn't taxable.

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Diez Ellis

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Thanks for the detailed breakdown! This is exactly what I needed to hear from someone who's been through the same situation. The step-by-step TurboTax instructions are really helpful - I was getting so frustrated trying to figure out where the override option was hiding. It's reassuring to know that the ADP testing failure isn't something I did wrong. My HR department's explanation made it sound like I had somehow messed up my contributions, which was confusing since I definitely stayed under all the published limits. One quick follow-up question - when you say "force the taxable amount to remain $0" for the BP distribution, did you have to manually enter something in a specific field, or was there a checkbox option? I'm worried about making sure I do this correctly so I don't trigger any IRS notices later.

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Amina Sy

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Don't forget to check your state tax rules too! Some states have more generous casualty loss provisions than federal, especially for declared disasters. In my state, we were able to deduct 100% of our hurricane losses on our state return even though we couldn't on the federal return because of the AGI limitation. Saved us about $300 on state taxes.

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Good point! I think Florida doesn't have state income tax though, right? So if OP is in Florida where Milton hit hardest, this wouldn't apply. But definitely helpful for people in other states affected by the hurricane.

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Amina Sy

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You're absolutely right about Florida not having state income tax - my mistake! I should have checked which states were in Milton's path before commenting. For anyone in Georgia or other states that were affected and do have state income tax, it's still worth checking your state's specific rules. Some states follow federal tax treatment for disasters while others have their own provisions. Thanks for the correction!

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I went through this exact same situation with my fence after Hurricane Ian a couple years ago. One thing that really helped me was documenting the original installation cost and age of the fence - the IRS agent I spoke with said this was crucial for calculating the basis. Since you paid $3,900 for replacement and didn't file insurance, make sure you keep those contractor receipts. Also, if you can find any records of what you originally paid for the fence installation, that will help with the fair market value calculations Sofia mentioned. The federally declared disaster area status is definitely beneficial - it gives you that option to amend last year's return if it results in a bigger refund. I ended up doing that and got money back within about 8 weeks, which was much faster than waiting for this year's filing season. Just make sure to write "Hurricane Milton" on your return so the IRS knows it's disaster-related.

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Nia Harris

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This is really helpful advice! I'm dealing with hurricane damage too and wondering - when you amended your previous year's return, did you have to file a completely new Form 4684 or could you just attach it to the amended return? Also, do you remember if there was a deadline for choosing between claiming it on the current year vs. amending the previous year? I want to make sure I don't miss any time limits.

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Felicity Bud

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Has anyone considered the potential red flags of someone wanting to pay such a large amount upfront? In some cases it could be completely innocent, but I've heard of people using rent payments to launder money. Might be worth asking why they want to pay it all upfront.

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Max Reyes

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This is actually a really good point. While there are legitimate reasons someone might want to pay upfront (like they received an inheritance or bonus, or they're bad at budgeting), it's worth being a little cautious. If they're paying with cash, that's a bigger red flag.

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Aria Park

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I'd also suggest getting references and doing a thorough background check if you haven't already, especially with such a large upfront payment. Legitimate tenants who want to pay in advance usually have good reasons - like they're relocating for work, received a windfall, or just prefer the convenience of not dealing with monthly payments. One practical tip: consider asking for the payment via bank transfer or certified check rather than cash, and make sure you provide a detailed receipt that breaks down exactly what months the payment covers. This creates a clear paper trail for both tax purposes and your own protection. Also, don't forget that you'll still need to provide the tenant with proper documentation at year-end (like a 1099 if applicable) showing the total rent they paid, even though you'll be reporting the income across multiple tax periods as others have mentioned.

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Romeo Quest

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Great advice about the payment method and documentation! I'm definitely leaning toward asking for a bank transfer or certified check rather than cash. The paper trail aspect makes me feel much more comfortable about the whole arrangement. Quick question - you mentioned providing a 1099 if applicable. When would that be required for a tenant? I thought 1099s were for contractors and business payments, not rent payments. Are there specific circumstances where I'd need to issue one to a renter? Also, @Aria Park, do you have any template language you'd recommend for the receipt that breaks down the monthly coverage? I want to make sure I'm documenting this properly from the start.

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The Boss

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You're right to question the 1099 requirement - I misspoke there. You typically don't need to issue a 1099 to tenants for rent payments. The 1099 requirement is usually for payments to contractors or businesses, not individual renters. Thanks for catching that! For the receipt template, I'd suggest something like: **RENT PAYMENT RECEIPT** Date: [Payment Date] Tenant: [Full Name] Property: [Address] Total Amount Received: $15,500 **Payment Breakdown:** - January 2025: $1,292 - February 2025: $1,292 - [Continue for each month...] Payment Method: [Bank Transfer/Certified Check] Check Number: [If applicable] This payment represents prepaid rent for the period of [Start Date] through [End Date]. Any early termination will be subject to lease agreement terms regarding refunds. Keep copies of this receipt for your records and give the original to your tenant. Having everything clearly documented upfront will save you headaches later, especially come tax time.

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Caesar Grant

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25 One thing nobody's mentioned yet: you might need to pay STATE taxes too, not just federal! For me in California, I set aside an extra 8% just for state taxes on top of the 25% for federal. Check your state tax rates and factor that in!

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Carmen Diaz

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Great point about state taxes! Since you're in Ohio, you'll need to factor in Ohio state income tax too. Ohio has a progressive income tax rate that ranges from 0% to 3.99%. For your income level (around $24k annually), you're probably looking at around 1-2% for state taxes. So I'd recommend setting aside about 27-30% total: roughly 25% for federal (income + self-employment tax) and 2-3% for Ohio state taxes. Ohio also requires quarterly estimated payments just like federal, so you can usually pay both at the same time. Don't forget Ohio also has local income taxes in many cities - check if your city has additional income tax requirements. Some cities in Ohio charge an additional 1-3% on top of state taxes. You can check the Ohio Department of Taxation website to see what applies to your specific location.

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Andre Laurent

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Quick question - if I'm using TurboTax, where exactly do I find the Form 8995? I think I qualify too but can't seem to locate it in the software.

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In TurboTax, you need to enter your business income first (Schedule C), and then it should automatically ask about the QBI deduction. If it doesn't, search for "QBI" or "qualified business income" in the search bar at the top. You can also check under the "Deductions & Credits" section and look for "Business Income Deductions.

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StarSurfer

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This is really helpful! I'm in a similar boat with my new freelance writing business that I started in September. Made about $2,800 in profit and was wondering if I qualified for the QBI deduction. Based on what everyone's saying here, it sounds like I should qualify under that same income threshold exception since writing is also typically considered an SSTB. My husband and I file jointly and our total income is around $195,000, so we're well under that $375,800 threshold. One thing I'm curious about - do we need to have any specific business structure (LLC, etc.) or does it work for sole proprietorships too? I'm just operating as a sole proprietor right now and reporting everything on Schedule C.

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RaΓΊl Mora

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You absolutely qualify for the QBI deduction as a sole proprietor! The business structure doesn't matter - sole proprietorships, LLCs, S-Corps, and partnerships can all qualify for QBI. Since you're reporting on Schedule C, you're all set. With your joint income of $195,000 being well below the $375,800 threshold, your freelance writing business gets the full benefit despite being an SSTB. You'd get a 20% deduction on that $2,800 profit, which works out to about $560 - definitely worth claiming! The QBI deduction is specifically designed to help small business owners like us, regardless of how we're structured. Just make sure your tax software picks it up when you enter your Schedule C income.

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