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Hey there! Congrats on tying the knot! šŸŽ‰ I went through this exact same situation when my husband and I got married two years ago, and I totally understand the confusion. The W-4 forms can feel overwhelming, especially when you're dealing with multiple jobs like you are. Here's what worked for us and should help you achieve that "break even" goal: **The basics:** - Both of you select "Married filing jointly" on your individual W-4 forms - Since you both work AND you have multiple jobs, Step 2 is absolutely critical - don't skip it! - You'll need to fill out separate W-4 forms for each of your jobs (so 3 total W-4s in your household) **My strong recommendation:** Use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator at irs.gov/W4App. I know everyone's mentioning it, but seriously - it's free, it's designed exactly for situations like yours, and it handles the multiple jobs math perfectly. **For your tip income:** Try to estimate your annual tips as accurately as possible. Even if they vary week to week, use your average from the past few months and maybe round up slightly. It's better to slightly overestimate and get a small refund than to owe money. **Coordination strategy:** The estimator will likely recommend putting most of any "extra withholding" on your main $27/hour job since it's your most stable, predictable income. We ended up owing about $150 last year using this approach - basically perfect! The key is just sitting down together as a team with all your paystubs and working through it step by step. Once you start, it's way less intimidating than it seems. You've got this! šŸ’Ŗ

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Raj Gupta

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Thank you so much for this comprehensive breakdown! As someone who's been lurking in this community but never posted before, I have to say this entire thread has been incredibly eye-opening. I'm actually in a very similar situation - got married last month and have been completely overwhelmed by the W-4 situation. Reading through everyone's real experiences has made me realize I've been way overthinking this whole process. Your point about the estimator handling the "multiple jobs math" perfectly is exactly what I needed to hear. I've been trying to figure out the calculations myself and getting nowhere. The fact that you ended up owing only $150 using this approach gives me so much confidence that it actually works! One quick question - when you mention putting the extra withholding on the main job, does that mean you basically left the side job W-4 pretty simple and did all the complex adjustments on the primary job's form? I'm trying to understand how to coordinate between the different W-4s without making it more complicated than it needs to be. Thanks again for sharing your experience - it's so helpful to hear from someone who's been exactly where we are now and came out successful on the other side! šŸ™

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Omar Farouk

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As someone who recently went through this exact situation with my spouse, I can definitely relate to the W-4 confusion! We got married last year and were totally lost on how to handle multiple jobs and withholding. The advice everyone's giving about using the IRS withholding estimator is spot on - it really does make the whole process much more manageable than trying to figure out the calculations yourself. One thing I'd add that helped us a lot was starting with conservative estimates for everything, especially variable income like tips. For your tip income specifically, I'd recommend tracking it more systematically going forward if you can. We use a simple spreadsheet where we log tips after each shift - takes maybe 30 seconds but gives you much better data for tax planning. When we used the estimator, we based our tip estimates on about 3 months of actual data and rounded up slightly. The coordination between your two jobs is definitely the trickiest part, but the estimator handles that really well. In our case, it recommended putting most of the extra withholding on the higher-paying, more consistent job (sounds like your $27/hour position) and keeping the part-time job's W-4 relatively straightforward. We ended up owing about $120 this year, which felt like a win! The key really is just setting aside time to do it together as a couple rather than trying to figure it out individually. Once you actually start the process, it's way less overwhelming than it seems. Good luck!

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This is such practical advice, Omar! I really appreciate you sharing your actual experience with the conservative estimates approach - that makes a lot of sense for someone like me who's been pretty casual about tracking variable income. The spreadsheet idea for tips is brilliant and so simple. I've been meaning to get more organized about this anyway, and you're absolutely right that 30 seconds per shift would add up to much better data over time. It would also probably help me see patterns in my tip income that I'm missing right now. Your point about keeping the part-time job's W-4 relatively straightforward while having the main job handle the complex adjustments is exactly what I was wondering about. That approach seems way less confusing than trying to coordinate complicated calculations across multiple forms. Owing $120 sounds like pretty much perfect withholding! It's so encouraging to hear these real success stories from people who were in the exact same boat. My spouse and I keep saying we need to tackle this, but hearing how manageable it actually is once you sit down and do it is giving me the push I need to finally schedule the time. Thanks for the encouragement that it's way less overwhelming than it seems - I think we've definitely been psyching ourselves out about this! šŸ™

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Zoe Dimitriou

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This discussion has been incredibly helpful! I've been using receipt scanning apps for about a year and was always uncertain about the tax implications. The consensus here around these being "rebates of purchase price" rather than taxable income makes so much sense. What really clarified it for me was the cost basis reduction explanation - when I buy groceries for $75 and get $2 back through Fetch, I've effectively paid $73 for those groceries. It's no different from using a manufacturer coupon or store discount. The IRS Publication 525 reference about cash rebates not being taxable income is particularly reassuring, especially combined with multiple people's direct confirmations from IRS representatives. The distinction between "getting paid for services" (surveys = taxable) versus "getting money back on purchases" (receipt scanning = rebate) is such a clear way to think about it. I also appreciate the tool recommendations like taxr.ai for analyzing terms of service - that's exactly the kind of resource that can provide peace of mind when evaluating new apps. Thanks to everyone who shared their research and experiences. This thread should be the go-to resource for anyone with questions about receipt app tax treatment!

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Aisha Ali

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This has been such an enlightening thread! As someone who just discovered these receipt apps and was hesitant to start using them due to tax uncertainty, reading through all these detailed explanations has completely put my fears to rest. The "cost basis reduction" concept really makes it click - when you scan a receipt and get rewards, you're essentially getting a partial refund on money you already spent, not earning new income. It's brilliant how simple that distinction is once it's explained properly. I'm particularly grateful for all the official sources people referenced, like IRS Publication 525 and the direct conversations with IRS representatives. Having that authoritative backing makes me feel confident about diving into apps like Fetch without worrying about creating unexpected tax complications. The tool recommendations are fantastic too - I'll definitely check out taxr.ai if I ever need clarification on terms of service for other apps. Thanks to everyone for creating such a comprehensive guide to this topic!

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This has been such an incredibly comprehensive discussion! As someone who's been using Fetch for about 8 months and recently started using GoodRx with prescription scanning, I was getting really anxious about potential tax implications as my gift card rewards approached $400. The "rebate of purchase price" explanation that keeps coming up throughout this thread has been a huge relief. It makes perfect sense when you think about it - I'm getting partial refunds on money I've already spent, not earning new income. The IRS Publication 525 reference really drives this home with the official backing. What I found particularly helpful was the clarification about prescription discount cards. Since I'm still making actual purchases (buying medications) even with the GoodRx discount, those Fetch points are still considered rebates on my healthcare spending. It's essentially two different types of discounts on the same purchase - the upfront GoodRx discount and the backend Fetch rebate. I also appreciate everyone sharing their experiences with tools like taxr.ai and direct IRS conversations through services like Claimyr. It's great to know there are resources available when you need that extra official confirmation. One practical tip I'll add - I've started keeping screenshots of my app earnings summaries and the terms of service, just for documentation purposes. Even though these aren't taxable, having that paper trail seems like good practice in case any questions ever come up. Thanks to everyone who contributed to making this the most thorough discussion I've seen on this topic! This thread should definitely be bookmarked as the go-to resource for anyone wondering about receipt app tax implications.

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Tami Morgan

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Did you check for any data entry errors? I was in the exact same boat - owed $12 despite making less than estimated - and it turned out I had accidentally transposed two numbers when entering info from one of the columns on my 1095-A. Double-check all the numbers you transferred from your 1095-A to Form 8962!

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Rami Samuels

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This is good advice. I've made errors copying from the 1095-A before. Those forms have so many numbers in columns that look alike.

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Ellie Kim

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This is actually more common than you'd think! I had a similar experience where I owed a small amount despite lower income. In my case, it came down to the specific way the premium tax credit calculation works with income brackets. The key thing to understand is that the premium tax credit isn't just based on your income alone - it's also tied to the cost of the "benchmark plan" (second-lowest cost Silver plan) in your area. If that benchmark plan cost changed between when you enrolled and when you're filing taxes, it can affect your final credit amount even if your income was lower. Also, the calculation uses very specific percentages of the Federal Poverty Level, and sometimes a lower income can actually push you into a different calculation bracket that results in owing a small amount. It's counterintuitive but happens when you're near threshold boundaries. For $4, it's probably not worth spending too much time investigating, but definitely double-check that all your 1095-A numbers were entered correctly on Form 8962. Small transcription errors can cause these kinds of minor discrepancies.

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Eva St. Cyr

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I went through this exact same identity verification process about 6 weeks ago and can definitely relate to the confusion! FAGI stands for Federal Adjusted Gross Income, and what tripped me up initially was understanding that they want this number from your PREVIOUSLY filed tax return, not the current one you're waiting on. So if you're dealing with your 2024 return now, they need the FAGI from your 2023 tax return that you filed earlier this year. You'll find it on line 11 of your Form 1040. The key is entering it EXACTLY as it appears - if your return shows whole dollars without cents, don't add decimal points. One thing that really helped me was realizing that if you used tax software like TurboTax, H&R Block, or even FreeTaxUSA, you can usually log back into your account and access your previous year's return online. This saved me hours of searching through old paperwork when I was in full panic mode! The verification process itself is actually pretty quick once you have the right information - mine was completed within about 36 hours and my refund started processing again immediately. Just make sure to respond within whatever timeframe is specified in your letter to avoid any additional delays. Don't stress too much about this - it seems way more complicated than it actually is when you're staring at that letter for the first time!

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Olivia Harris

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This is such a thorough and helpful explanation! As someone who's pretty new to dealing with complex tax situations, I really appreciate how you've broken down each step and shared your personal timeline. The emphasis on entering information exactly as it appears is so important - I can imagine how frustrating it would be to have the verification rejected because of a small formatting difference. Your tip about accessing previous returns through tax software accounts is brilliant! I used TurboTax for my 2023 taxes and had no idea I could still log in to view that return. That's going to be so much easier than trying to track down physical documents if I ever face this situation. It's also really reassuring to know that once you get past the initial confusion and submit the correct information, the actual verification process moves pretty quickly. Reading through everyone's experiences in this thread has been incredibly educational - it's clear this FAGI requirement catches a lot of people off guard initially, but with the right guidance it's totally manageable. Thanks for sharing your experience and helping make this less intimidating for others!

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I went through this exact same identity verification process about 2 months ago and completely understand your confusion! FAGI stands for Federal Adjusted Gross Income, and the key thing that initially confused me was understanding that they want this number from your PREVIOUSLY filed tax return, not the current one you're waiting on. So if you got this letter about your 2024 return, they need the FAGI from your 2023 tax return that you filed earlier this year. You'll find it on line 11 of your Form 1040. The most important thing is to enter it EXACTLY as it appears on your filed return - if it shows whole dollars without cents, enter it that way for a perfect match with their system. If you can't locate your physical copy of last year's return, try logging into whatever tax software you used (TurboTax, H&R Block, FreeTaxUSA, etc.) - they typically keep your returns accessible online for several years. This saved me when I was frantically searching through old paperwork! The actual verification process is pretty quick once you have the right information - mine was completed within about 48 hours and my refund started processing again. Just make sure to respond within the deadline specified in your letter. I know it feels overwhelming when you first get that verification letter, but you're almost at the finish line - just need to find that FAGI number and you'll be all set!

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm dealing with a similar situation where I'm trying to help my elderly parents with their estate planning, and the Form 709 terminology has been driving me crazy. What really clicked for me after reading everyone's explanations is that the IRS basically makes you calculate what the tax WOULD be on all your lifetime gifts, then gives you a credit that's big enough to cover the tax on $13.61M worth of gifts. So you're not actually paying tax until you've used up that credit. It's like they're saying "here's a $5.389M credit in your account that you can use to pay gift taxes" rather than "you get to give away $13.61M tax-free." Same result, but the mechanism is unnecessarily confusing. One follow-up question though - when people talk about the lifetime limit going back down in 2026, does that mean the credit amount changes too, or just how much gift value that credit can cover?

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QuantumLeap

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Great question about 2026! Both the exemption amount AND the credit amount will change together. The lifetime exemption is scheduled to drop back to around $5-6M (adjusted for inflation), and correspondingly the unified credit will drop to whatever amount covers the tax on that lower exemption. So if the exemption goes to, say, $6M in 2026, the credit would drop to roughly $2.4M (the tax that would be due on $6M of gifts). This is why estate planners are telling clients to use their current higher exemption amounts before 2026 if they can - once it drops, you can't go back and claim the higher amount. The key thing to remember is that any exemption you've already used under the current higher limits gets "grandfathered" - you won't owe back-taxes. But your remaining available exemption will be calculated using the new lower amounts.

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Ella Harper

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm a tax preparer and I've been struggling to explain this concept to clients for years. The way everyone broke down the relationship between the $13.61M exemption and the $5.389M credit finally gave me the language I needed. What I find most frustrating is that the IRS could easily redesign Form 709 to be clearer. Instead of making people calculate a tax and then apply a credit, they could just have a simple "lifetime exemption used" tracker. But I guess that would make too much sense! One thing I'd add for anyone reading this - make sure you keep copies of ALL your Form 709 filings, even from years ago. The IRS relies on your records to track your cumulative lifetime gifts, and if you can't prove what you've already used, they might not give you credit for previous exemption usage. I've seen situations where people lost track of old 709s and ended up paying tax on gifts that should have been covered by their remaining exemption. Also, don't forget that gifts between spouses who are both US citizens are unlimited and don't count against these limits at all - that's a separate unlimited marital deduction.

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This is exactly the kind of practical advice I wish I'd had when I started dealing with gift tax issues! The record-keeping point is so important - I'm definitely going to start a dedicated folder for all my 709 forms going forward. Quick question about the marital deduction you mentioned - does that apply even if one spouse is a non-US citizen? My husband is still working on his citizenship and we've been careful about large transfers between us, but I'm not sure if we're being overly cautious. Also, thank you for mentioning that the IRS relies on our records! I had no idea they don't automatically track this stuff on their end. That seems like something they should modernize along with making the form clearer.

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