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Jamal Harris

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Make sure to save copies of your transcript! Screenshot everything incase you need proof later that the refund was processed before they filed the offset

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Mateo Sanchez

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good idea! doing that rn

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Also worth checking if DeVry actually has the right to collect from you - some of these for-profit schools have been known to pursue debts that were already discharged or forgiven. If you never received proper notices before, that could be a violation of debt collection laws. Document everything and consider reaching out to your state's attorney general office if something seems fishy about their collection practices.

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When I filed my 9465 last year they also made me fill out a 433-F financial statement even though I owed less than $25k. They said it was because I had a history of not filing on time. So just be ready that they might ask for more documentation depending on your specific tax history.

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The same thing happened to my sister! I think they're requiring those financial statements more often now. Did they eventually approve your payment plan or did they come back with a different required monthly amount?

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Ellie Kim

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I went through this exact situation last year and totally understand the stress! Here are the key things that helped me get my 9465 approved on the first try: **Most Important Sections:** - Lines 1-8: Your basic info (must match your tax return exactly) - Line 9: Monthly payment amount (be realistic - propose what you can actually afford) - Line 11a: I highly recommend direct debit - shows you're committed - Line 12: Make sure to sign and date it! **Pro Tips:** 1. Calculate a payment amount that pays off your debt in 72 months or less if possible 2. If you can swing a larger first payment, include that - it shows good faith 3. Double-check that your SSN matches your return exactly 4. Keep copies of everything you submit The IRS is actually pretty reasonable with payment plans if you're honest about what you can afford. Don't lowball the monthly amount thinking you're gaming the system - they'll just reject it and you'll have to start over. Better to be realistic upfront. You've got this! The form looks scarier than it actually is once you break it down section by section.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm actually in a similar situation to the original poster and was wondering about the 72-month rule you mentioned. Is that an official IRS requirement or just a guideline? Also, when you say "larger first payment," do you mean in addition to the regular monthly amount or instead of the first month's payment? I want to make sure I structure this correctly since I really can't afford to have it rejected and start over.

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Has anybody actually been audited after adjusting their land-to-building ratio? I'm thinking about doing this but I'm worried about raising red flags with the IRS. My tax assessment shows land at 40% but I think it should be closer to 20% based on vacant land prices.

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That's reassuring, thanks! Do you think printed listings of vacant land from Zillow would be enough documentation, or should I really try to get an appraisal? Trying to find the balance between doing this properly and not spending a ton of money upfront.

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Zillow listings alone probably aren't sufficient since they're just asking prices, not actual sales. You need completed sales data to show what land actually sells for in your area. Most county assessor websites have recent sales records you can access for free, or you can check with your county recorder's office. I'd start with gathering 3-5 actual vacant land sales from the past year or two in your area. If the sales data strongly supports your 20% land value position, that might be enough documentation. If you're still uncertain or the data is mixed, then consider getting an appraisal. The key is having evidence that your allocation is reasonable and market-based. Actual sales carry much more weight than listings, especially if you're ever questioned about it.

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I've been through this exact situation with two rental properties over the past few years. The key thing to understand is that the IRS doesn't require you to use your property tax assessment's land-to-building ratio - they just want you to have a reasonable, defensible method. Here's what I learned works best: 1. **Get actual comparable sales data** - Don't rely on listings. Go to your county assessor's website or recorder's office and pull 3-5 actual sales of vacant land in your area from the past 1-2 years. This gives you real market data. 2. **Consider multiple valuation methods** - I used a combination of comparable land sales, my insurance replacement cost for the building, and even got a letter from my realtor about typical land values in the neighborhood. 3. **Document everything thoroughly** - Keep all your research in one file. If you're ever audited, you want to show you put thought and effort into arriving at a reasonable allocation. For your specific numbers, going from a 40% land allocation (based on tax assessment) to 20% (based on market research) seems very reasonable if you have the data to support it. That would increase your annual depreciation from $2,918 to about $4,377 - definitely worth the effort. The most important thing is making sure your final allocation passes the "smell test" - it should be reasonable and supportable with market evidence. As long as you're not claiming something ridiculous like 5% land value, you should be fine.

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Amaya Watson

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Don't forget that the IRA contribution limits for 2025 are $7,000 for traditional and Roth IRAs if you're under 50, and $8,000 if you're 50 or older. Make sure you're not exceeding these limits when reporting! Also, there's income limits for deducting traditional IRA contributions if you or your spouse have a retirement plan at work. These can affect whether your contributions actually reduce your MAGI for APTC purposes.

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Grant Vikers

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This is so confusing! What if I'm self employed with no retirement plan at work but my spouse has a 401k? Do the income limits still apply to my traditional IRA deduction? And how does that affect the APTC calculation??

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Sofia Torres

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If you're self-employed with no retirement plan but your spouse has a 401k at work, the income limits for traditional IRA deductions do apply to you based on your joint filing status. For 2025, if you're married filing jointly and your spouse has a workplace plan, your traditional IRA deduction phases out between $123,000-$143,000 of MAGI. However, here's the key part for APTC: even if your traditional IRA contribution isn't fully deductible due to income limits, you can still make the contribution. But only the deductible portion will reduce your MAGI for APTC purposes. So if you can only deduct $3,000 of a $7,000 contribution due to income limits, only that $3,000 will help with your APTC reconciliation. This is why it's crucial to check both the contribution limits AND the deductibility limits when planning how IRA contributions will affect your marketplace insurance subsidies.

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As someone who went through this exact same confusion last year, I want to add one more important point that hasn't been mentioned yet: make sure you're also considering any HSA contributions you made if you have a High Deductible Health Plan through the marketplace. HSA contributions work similarly to traditional IRA contributions in that they reduce your MAGI for APTC purposes. For 2025, you can contribute up to $4,300 for self-only coverage or $8,550 for family coverage (plus an additional $1,000 if you're 55 or older). In TaxSlayer, you'd report HSA contributions under Federal > Deductions > Adjustments > Health Savings Account (HSA). This is separate from where you enter IRA contributions, but both will flow to Schedule 1 and reduce your MAGI. I discovered that combining my traditional IRA contributions with my HSA contributions actually eliminated my APTC repayment entirely and even resulted in a small additional credit. Don't overlook this if you have an HSA-eligible plan!

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This is such helpful information! I had no idea that HSA contributions could also help with APTC calculations. I have an HDHP through the marketplace but haven't been maxing out my HSA - sounds like I should consider increasing my contributions for next year to help reduce my MAGI. Quick question though - do you know if HSA contributions have the same timing requirements as IRA contributions? Like, do they need to be made before December 31st to count for that year's APTC, or can you make them up until the tax filing deadline like with IRAs?

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Random tip that might help explain why the refund/owed amount changed so dramatically: when you entered your husband's W2 first, the software was calculating his taxes as if his $45k was your ENTIRE household income for the year. It was applying the standard deduction against just his income. When you added your income, suddenly your combined income jumped to $265k, putting you in a much higher tax bracket AND the standard deduction became a much smaller percentage of your total income. Its not that filing separately is better - its that your tax situation completely changed when you added your much larger income to the calculation!

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Jamal Wilson

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This is exactly right. The software doesn't know your full situation until you enter all info. It's like if you only put in half your income at first, the software might show a refund, then when you add the rest it shows you owe. Doesn't mean you should only report half your income lol.

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This is such a common confusion and you're definitely not alone! The key issue is that tax software shows misleading "running totals" as you enter information. When you entered your husband's W2 first, it calculated his refund based on being Single with $45K income. But once married, he can't file as Single anymore - his only options are Married Filing Jointly or Married Filing Separately. Here's what likely happened: your husband's $2,500 "refund" was based on Single filing status, which has more favorable brackets than Married Filing Separately. When you switch to the actual comparison - Married Filing Jointly vs Married Filing Separately - you'll probably find that joint filing saves you money overall. The dramatic swing to owing $7,500 jointly isn't because joint filing is bad for you - it's because your combined $265K income puts you in higher tax brackets and reduces the relative benefit of the standard deduction. This would happen regardless of filing status once you're married. I'd recommend running the actual comparison in your software: set up two separate calculations, one as Married Filing Jointly and another as Married Filing Separately (for both of you), then compare the total tax liability. The joint filing will almost certainly be lower when you're doing an apples-to-apples comparison.

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