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Don't forget you'll need to file Form 8606 for the traditional IRA to Roth conversion! This is super important and easy to miss. Also make sure you're not getting hit with an early withdrawal penalty. The conversion itself is exempt from the 10% penalty, but TurboTax sometimes flags it incorrectly if you don't answer all the questions in the right order.
I went through almost the exact same scenario last year - 401k to Traditional IRA, then quickly to Roth IRA. The key thing that solved my TurboTax errors was making sure I handled each transaction separately and in the right order. For the first rollover (401k to Traditional IRA), enter it as a direct rollover with zero taxable amount. For the second transaction (Traditional to Roth conversion), this is where you'll owe taxes on the full amount. One specific tip that helped me: when TurboTax asks about the Traditional to Roth conversion, look for the question "Did you convert any traditional IRA funds to a Roth IRA?" rather than just treating it as a regular distribution. This triggers the right forms (including 8606) and prevents the early withdrawal penalty from being applied incorrectly. Also, since you did this conversion in the same tax year, make sure you're not accidentally double-counting any basis. The entire amount should be taxable since it all came from pre-tax 401k funds originally.
This is exactly why I always tell people to run through multiple calculators AND actually start the filing process on both platforms before making a decision. The estimators are basically marketing tools - they're designed to get you in the door, not give you accurate numbers. A $3000 difference is huge though, definitely suggests one of them is making some major assumptions about your situation that might not be correct. Have you tried the IRS's own withholding calculator? It's not perfect but sometimes gives a better baseline than the commercial ones.
Yeah I've noticed this too with different tax software - the estimators are basically just marketing hooks to get you started. What's really frustrating is they don't tell you upfront what assumptions they're making about your credits and deductions. I'd suggest looking at which specific credits each estimator is including/excluding - that's usually where the big differences come from. Child tax credit, EITC, education credits etc. can swing your refund by thousands depending on how the software interprets your situation.
This is super helpful! I never thought to check which specific credits each one was factoring in. That probably explains the huge gap - I do have kids so the child tax credit could definitely be calculated differently between the two. Going to dig deeper into what assumptions each platform is making before I pick one. Thanks for breaking this down! š
This is such a helpful discussion! I'm in a similar boat with my S Corp and was getting confused by all the different rules. One thing I'd add that helped me understand the loss situation better - think of the SEP contribution as just another payroll expense, like your regular salary. The fact that your business shows a loss doesn't prevent you from paying yourself wages, and it doesn't prevent you from making retirement contributions based on those wages either. The loss might actually be partially due to the salary and SEP contribution expenses themselves! For what it's worth, I've been making SEP contributions for three years now, including one year where my S Corp had a small loss, and never had any issues with the IRS. The key is just making sure you have the cash flow to support it and that your contribution doesn't exceed 25% of your W-2 wages. Your math on the $13,500 salary and $3,375 contribution looks spot on. Just make sure to coordinate with your payroll company about that Box 13 - it really does matter for your personal tax situation down the road.
This really helps clarify things! I've been overthinking the loss situation. You're absolutely right that the SEP contribution is just another business expense like payroll. I'm curious though - when you had that year with a small loss, did you still get the full business deduction for the SEP contribution? I assume it just increased your loss for the year, which then flowed through to your personal return as an ordinary loss. Is that how it worked? Also, thanks for confirming the math. I was second-guessing myself on the 25% calculation but it sounds like I've got it right. Now I just need to make sure I communicate clearly with my payroll company about checking that Box 13!
As someone who went through this exact situation last year, I can confirm that yes, you absolutely get the full business deduction for the SEP contribution even in a loss year! The SEP contribution is treated just like any other ordinary business expense on your S Corp tax return (Form 1120S). In my case, the SEP contribution did increase my business loss for the year, which then flowed through to my personal return as an ordinary business loss on Schedule E. This actually provided some tax benefit on my personal side since it reduced my overall taxable income from other sources. One practical tip I learned - make sure you have adequate documentation showing the SEP contribution was made before your S Corp tax filing deadline (including extensions). The IRS wants to see that the contribution was actually made, not just promised. I always make my SEP contributions by December 31st to avoid any timing issues, even though technically you have until the filing deadline. Also, definitely get that payroll communication sorted out early! I had to file a corrected W-2 one year because we missed the Box 13 checkbox initially. It's much easier to get it right the first time than to fix it later. Your situation sounds very straightforward - W-2 wages of $13,500 means you can contribute up to $3,375 to the SEP IRA, regardless of whether the business shows a profit or loss for the year.
This is incredibly helpful information! I'm in almost the exact same situation - S Corp showing a loss but wanting to maximize retirement contributions. Your point about making the contribution by December 31st is really valuable. I was planning to wait until closer to the filing deadline, but you're right that having it actually funded before year-end eliminates any potential timing complications. One follow-up question - when you mentioned the business loss flowing through to Schedule E and reducing your other taxable income, did that include W-2 income from other sources? I have a part-time consulting job that generates W-2 income, and I'm wondering if the S Corp loss can offset that income or if there are limitations on how business losses can be applied. Also, thank you for confirming the straightforward nature of this situation. Sometimes when you're deep in research mode, you start to overthink what should be relatively simple calculations!
I've been having the same exact issue! Started trying to access FreeTaxUSA around noon and it's been nothing but error messages and timeouts. Really glad to see it's not just me - I was starting to worry there was something wrong with my internet connection. Based on everyone's experiences here, it sounds like this is just peak season server overload. I'm going to try the late evening approach that several people mentioned worked for them. Has anyone tried reaching out to FreeTaxUSA directly on social media for status updates? Might be worth checking their Facebook or Twitter for real-time information about when their systems are running normally again. I really don't want to switch back to TurboTax after all the good things I've heard about FreeTaxUSA's pricing and features.
I just checked FreeTaxUSA's Twitter (@FreeTaxUSA) and they posted about 2 hours ago acknowledging the server issues and saying they're working to resolve them. They mentioned that traffic is about 300% higher than normal today, which explains all the problems we're having. They also suggested trying to access the site during off-peak hours (early morning or late evening) and recommended clearing browser cache if you're still having issues. Based on what others have shared here, it really does seem like waiting for lower traffic periods is the best approach rather than switching platforms entirely. I'm definitely going to stick with FreeTaxUSA - the cost savings compared to TurboTax are just too good to give up over what's clearly a temporary technical issue.
I'm experiencing the exact same thing! Been trying since around 8am this morning and FreeTaxUSA just won't load properly. Sometimes I get a blank page, other times it shows a server error message. Really frustrating since I also blocked out today specifically to get my taxes done. After reading through everyone's experiences here, it's clear this is just a traffic overload issue during peak tax season. I appreciate everyone sharing their workarounds and the info about FreeTaxUSA's Twitter acknowledgment of the problem - that's really helpful to know it's on their end and not something wrong with my setup. I'm going to try again tonight around 10pm like several people suggested, and if that doesn't work, I'll attempt the early morning approach tomorrow. The cost savings compared to TurboTax are definitely worth waiting an extra day or two for their servers to stabilize. Thanks everyone for the reassurance that this is normal and temporary!
Ravi Sharma
Don't forget to check if your state offers education credits too! I'm in New York and we have a separate college tuition credit that gave me another $400 on my state return. TurboTax should walk you through this too, but sometimes the state credits are easy to miss.
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Paolo Romano
ā¢I hadn't even thought about state credits! I'm in California - does anyone know if there are education credits here too? Turbo Tax hasn't mentioned anything about state-specific education stuff yet in my filing process.
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Ravi Sharma
ā¢California doesn't have a specific education credit like some states do, unfortunately. However, California does conform to some federal tax benefits related to education. For example, if you have student loan interest, that deduction carries over to your California return automatically. While you won't get an additional education credit on your state return, the money you save from the federal AOTC will still make a big difference in your overall tax situation. Make sure you're claiming all qualified expenses including required course materials and books, not just tuition!
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Freya Larsen
Quick tip that saved me last year: if you've already filed but realized you missed claiming the education credit, you can file an amended return (Form 1040-X). I did this last April after realizing I could claim the AOTC, and got an additional refund of $1,500!
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Omar Hassan
ā¢How far back can you amend returns for this? I totally missed claiming education credits for 2023 too. Is it too late?
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Yuki Yamamoto
ā¢You can generally amend returns to claim missed credits for up to 3 years from the original due date. For 2023 returns, the deadline to amend would be April 15, 2027, so you're definitely not too late! The education credits are refundable (at least partially), which means you can get money back even if you didn't owe any taxes originally. I'd recommend using the same tools others mentioned here like taxr.ai to make sure you calculate everything correctly before filing the amendment. You'll need your original 2023 1098-T form and any receipts for qualified education expenses. TurboTax can help you file the amended return electronically, or you can mail in Form 1040-X. Just be patient - amended returns typically take 8-12 weeks to process.
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