


Ask the community...
Don't forget that tithes and offerings aren't the only church-related expenses that can be deductible! If you drive as a volunteer (like delivering meals for church outreach or driving for youth events), you can deduct mileage at the charitable rate (14 cents per mile I think). Also, if you buy supplies for church activities and aren't reimbursed, those count too.
Is that charitable mileage deduction separate from the standard deduction? Or would I still need to be itemizing to claim it?
You would still need to be itemizing to claim charitable mileage deductions. All charitable deductions, including mileage for volunteer work, are part of your itemized deductions on Schedule A. So if your total itemized deductions (charitable donations, mileage, mortgage interest, property taxes, etc.) don't exceed the standard deduction, you wouldn't benefit from claiming the mileage. Just to clarify - the charitable mileage rate for 2024 is actually 14 cents per mile, so you had that right! Make sure to keep a log of your volunteer driving with dates, destinations, and mileage for proper documentation.
As someone who's been navigating church donations and taxes for years, I'd recommend keeping detailed records throughout the year rather than scrambling at tax time. I use a simple spreadsheet to track all my church giving - date, amount, and method of payment. For your $1300 in donations, make sure you have proper documentation. For any single donation of $250 or more, you'll need a written acknowledgment from the church (not just a bank record). The acknowledgment should state the amount, date, and confirm whether you received any goods or services in return. Also consider the "bunching" strategy others mentioned - if you're close to the itemization threshold, you might donate two years' worth in one year to exceed the standard deduction, then take the standard deduction the following year. This way you get tax benefits every other year instead of never. Given that you're already at $1300 with more of the year left, you might be closer to this strategy working than you think!
This is really helpful advice! I'm just starting to think seriously about tracking my giving for tax purposes. Quick question about the $250 rule - if I give $50 every week through the church's online system, do I need written acknowledgment for each $50 donation, or can the church provide one annual statement that covers all my giving for the year? Also, when you mention "bunching," how do you decide which year to bunch the donations in - is there a strategy for timing it right?
This is such a frustrating situation, but you're definitely not alone! I had a similar routing number mixup last year (switched two digits like you did) and it was nerve-wracking waiting for the paper check. From what I've seen in this thread and my own experience, you're looking at roughly 4-5 weeks from when the direct deposit was rejected. A few things that might help while you wait: definitely check your IRS transcript online for code 846 (that'll show when the check is scheduled to be mailed), and if you haven't already, set up USPS Informed Delivery so you can track when it's actually coming. Also, since you mentioned moving post-graduation, double-check that the IRS has your current address on file - the last thing you want is for the check to go to an old address! I know the waiting is stressful when you're trying to budget for a big life change, but based on everyone's experiences here, it sounds like the IRS is pretty consistent with their timeline once the conversion to paper check happens. Hang in there! š
This is really helpful advice! I'm actually in a similar boat - just finished my tax prep certification course and dealing with my own routing number error (classic case of do as I say, not as I do š ). The USPS Informed Delivery tip is brilliant - I had no idea you could preview your mail like that. Question though: when you check the IRS transcript for code 846, does it show up right when they process the conversion to paper check, or closer to when it actually gets mailed? I'm trying to figure out how much lead time that gives you for planning purposes.
I've been through this exact situation twice (unfortunately I'm a slow learner when it comes to double-checking routing numbers š¤¦āāļø). Both times it took right around 4 weeks from rejection to receiving the paper check. The first time was during peak season in March and took 29 days, the second time was in January and took 26 days - so pretty consistent timing regardless of when it happens during tax season. One thing I learned that might help with your budgeting: once you see code 846 on your transcript with a date, that's typically the mail date, not when it arrives. Add another 5-7 business days for actual delivery. So if you see 846 with March 15th, expect the check around March 22nd-24th. Also, since you mentioned post-graduation move - definitely submit Form 8822 ASAP if your address will change before that check arrives. I had a friend who had to deal with forwarded mail delays on top of everything else and it was a nightmare. Best of luck with graduation and the move! The wait is frustrating but at least there's light at the end of the tunnel. š°
I've been following this thread and just wanted to add one more potential source of Box 1 discrepancy that hasn't been mentioned yet - educational assistance benefits! If your wife's employer provided any tuition reimbursement, student loan payments, or other educational assistance over $5,250 during the year, the excess amount becomes taxable income that gets added to Box 1. Also, if she received any achievement awards, length of service awards, or other employee recognition gifts worth more than $1,600 total for the year, those would also be included as taxable income. These types of benefits often don't show up clearly on regular pay stubs but can significantly impact the Box 1 calculation. Given all the complexity everyone has outlined here, I'm definitely in the camp of using the tools mentioned (taxr.ai for calculation, Claimyr for IRS contact) rather than trying to manually figure this out. Your wife's employer sounds incredibly unprofessional, and you shouldn't have to put your tax filing on hold because they can't do basic administrative tasks. Good luck getting this resolved!
Wow, educational assistance benefits is another great point I hadn't considered! My wife did participate in some kind of professional development program through her employer, though I'm not sure if it exceeded the $5,250 limit. That could definitely be another piece of the puzzle. It's honestly mind-blowing how many different factors can affect Box 1 that aren't obvious from just looking at a pay stub. Between all the potential sources mentioned in this thread - pre-tax deductions, life insurance benefits, moving expenses, parking allowances, disability premiums, educational assistance, and achievement awards - it's clear that manually calculating this is way more complex than I initially thought. I'm definitely going to go with the tool-based approach now. This thread has convinced me that trying to figure it out manually would probably just lead to more errors and frustration. Really appreciate everyone sharing their knowledge and experiences - this has been incredibly educational and will definitely help us get our taxes filed properly despite this employer's complete lack of professionalism!
I had almost the exact same situation with a former employer who was being completely unresponsive about my W2! After reading through all these responses, I want to echo what others have said about using the tools mentioned here. I ended up using taxr.ai to calculate my Box 1 from my final pay stub, and it was incredibly helpful in identifying all those hidden components that affect the calculation. The tool actually flagged several things I would have missed - like imputed income from my employer-paid life insurance and the taxable portion of some fringe benefits. What really struck me about your situation is how many different factors can impact Box 1 beyond just the obvious payroll deductions. Reading through everyone's comments about moving expenses, parking benefits, disability premiums, educational assistance, and various other taxable benefits really shows why manually calculating this is so error-prone. Given how unresponsive your wife's employer has been (and the fact that it's now well past the January 31st deadline for providing W2s), I'd strongly recommend going straight to Form 4852. You've given them more than enough chances to provide the document, and at this point you're just delaying your own tax filing for their incompetence. The IRS is very understanding about situations like this where employers are being unreasonable. Hope you get this resolved quickly - dealing with disorganized former employers is incredibly frustrating!
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm someone who occasionally plays poker at my local card room and I had no idea about the 300x rule for tournament withholding. One thing I'm still confused about though - let's say I play cash games regularly and over the course of a year I have some big winning sessions and some losing sessions. Do I need to track every single session, or just my net result for the year? Like if I win $800 one night and lose $600 the next night, how granular do I need to get with my record keeping? Also, does anyone know if there are any mobile apps specifically designed for tracking gambling wins/losses? Keeping a spreadsheet sounds smart but I know I'll forget to update it if I have to do it manually every time. Something that could track location, date, and amounts would be perfect for someone like me who plays regularly but not professionally. Thanks to everyone who's shared their experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world advice you can't find on the IRS website!
Great question about cash game tracking! You definitely need to track each session individually, not just net results. The IRS expects detailed records showing dates, locations, amounts won/lost per session, and types of games played. So yes, you'd need to log that $800 win and $600 loss as separate entries. For mobile apps, I've heard good things about "Poker Income Bankroll Tracker" and "GamblingTracker" - both let you quickly log sessions with date, location, game type, and win/loss amounts. Some people also just use simple note-taking apps or even voice memos right after sessions to capture the details, then transfer to a spreadsheet later. The key thing the IRS cares about is that you can prove your losses if audited. They want to see contemporaneous records (meaning recorded close to when the gambling occurred), not something you recreated from memory months later. Even a simple notebook where you jot down details right after each session would work better than trying to reconstruct everything at tax time. Also remember - even in cash games, if the card room reports any of your winnings to the IRS (which can happen with tournament prizes or jackpots), you'll definitely want your detailed loss records to offset those reported wins!
This is such a comprehensive discussion! As someone who's been dealing with gambling taxes for a few years now, I wanted to add one more scenario that trips people up - what happens when you gamble across state lines. I live in Nevada but sometimes play at casinos in California and Arizona. Each state has different tax rules, and you might end up owing taxes to multiple states on the same winnings. Nevada has no state income tax, but if I win big in California, they'll want their 13.3% even though I'm not a CA resident. The good news is most states give you credit for taxes paid to other states, so you usually don't get double-taxed. But the paperwork can get complicated fast, especially if you're winning in multiple states throughout the year. Also, something I learned recently - if you're a frequent traveler for gambling, keep receipts for travel expenses. While casual gamblers can't deduct these, if you're approaching professional gambler status (which several people mentioned above), travel to gambling locations can become a legitimate business expense. Just make sure you meet all those IRS criteria for professional vs. recreational gambling that Nia outlined earlier! The record-keeping advice everyone's giving is spot on. I use a simple smartphone app to log everything immediately after each session, and it's saved me thousands in properly documented deductions over the years.
This is really helpful information about multi-state gambling taxes! I had no idea that you could owe taxes to states where you don't even live. So if I understand correctly, if I live in Texas (no state income tax) but win $20,000 at a casino in Louisiana, I'd have to file a Louisiana non-resident tax return and pay their state taxes on those winnings? Also, when you mention smartphone apps for logging sessions - do you have a specific recommendation? I've been looking at some of the apps mentioned earlier in this thread, but it would be great to hear from someone who's actually been using one successfully for multi-state gambling. Does the app you use help with tracking which state each win/loss occurred in? That seems like it would be crucial for sorting out the tax obligations later. One more question - you mentioned travel expenses potentially being deductible for professional gamblers. What about hotel comps and other freebies that casinos give you? If I'm staying at a casino hotel for free because of my play level, does that create any additional tax complications, or is it just treated like any other comp?
Luca Ferrari
As a fellow VITA volunteer, I really appreciate you taking the time to thoroughly prepare before bringing this complex situation to your site coordinator. SSA-1099 Box 4 repayments can be quite confusing, especially when dealing with substantial amounts like you've described. Given the timing of the father's recent passing and the fact that both parents have Box 4 repayments, I'd suggest also asking your neighbor if either parent had any changes to their filing status or household composition in recent years. Sometimes when spouses have different benefit start dates or income levels, it can create unexpected adjustments when the SSA reconciles their records. Another thing that might be relevant - if the parents filed jointly but had very different income levels, the combined income calculation for determining taxable Social Security benefits could have triggered adjustments that show up as repayments, especially if there were any late-filed or amended returns in recent years. The most important thing right now is probably getting clarity on whether these are actual overpayments that need to be addressed, or just accounting adjustments that are already resolved. Your site coordinator will definitely appreciate you gathering all this background information first. These cases can be really time-consuming to unravel, so having everything organized upfront will make the consultation much more productive.
0 coins
CosmicCrusader
ā¢This is exactly the kind of thorough preparation that makes VITA sites run smoothly during busy season! Your point about filing status and household composition changes is really insightful - I hadn't thought about how different benefit start dates between spouses could create these reconciliation issues. The suggestion about checking for late-filed or amended returns is particularly helpful. If there were any corrections to prior year returns that affected the combined income calculations for Social Security taxation, that could definitely explain why both parents have Box 4 amounts showing up now. I'm curious though - in your experience with these cases, have you found that the "accounting adjustments" versus "actual overpayments" distinction is usually clear from the SSA correspondence, or do you often need to contact SSA directly to get that clarification? It seems like understanding which category this falls into would really help determine the urgency of addressing it, especially given everything else this family is dealing with right now.
0 coins
Liam Fitzgerald
As a fellow community member who's dealt with family SSA issues, I wanted to add that timing can be really important with Box 4 repayments, especially in cases involving a recent death. Sometimes these repayments are actually related to benefits that were paid after the date of death but before SSA was notified - this is pretty common and creates what looks like an overpayment on the SSA-1099. Since the father passed away just two weeks ago, it's possible that some of his January or February Social Security payments were issued before SSA processed the death notification. In these cases, the surviving spouse typically needs to return those payments, which would show up as Box 4 repayments. I'd suggest asking your neighbor if they've already notified Social Security of the father's death and whether they've received any instructions about returning benefits. This information could help clarify whether the Box 4 amounts are related to the timing of his passing or if they stem from an earlier overpayment issue. Also, when they do contact SSA about survivor benefits (which should happen soon), they can ask for a detailed explanation of all Box 4 amounts for both parents. Sometimes what looks like a complex repayment situation has a much simpler explanation once you get the full context from SSA directly.
0 coins
Oliver Becker
ā¢This is such an important point about the timing of death benefits! I hadn't considered that the Box 4 repayments could be related to benefits paid after the father's death but before SSA was notified. That would definitely explain why both parents have these amounts showing up on their 2024 SSA-1099 forms. Your suggestion about asking whether they've already notified SSA of the death is crucial - if they haven't done this yet, it should probably be their first priority before we even dive into the tax preparation. The survivor benefit transition process might actually resolve or explain a lot of these Box 4 amounts. I really appreciate you pointing out that they can ask for detailed explanations of all Box 4 amounts when they contact SSA about survivor benefits. It sounds like one phone call could potentially clarify both the ongoing repayment issues and get the survivor benefits process started. This gives me a much clearer sense of what questions to ask my neighbor before our VITA appointment.
0 coins