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I'm dealing with something similar - multiple amended returns showing up when I only filed one. From what I've learned, the IRS sometimes creates internal amendments (that second 977 code) when they find discrepancies during processing. The good news is that October 21st date shows recent activity. When they remove penalties AND interest like yours shows (codes 277/197), it usually means they're taking responsibility for processing delays. That additional tax assessment (code 290) for $762 will either reduce your refund or create a balance due. Check if your withholding (those 806 codes totaling $5,306) covers your total tax liability plus that new $762 assessment. If it does, you should still get something back once they finish processing. The 570 codes mean they're still working on it, but October activity is promising! Keep checking your transcript weekly for either an 846 refund code or movement on that balance. Based on the timeline, I'd expect resolution in the next 2-4 weeks.
Thanks for breaking this down! That makes me feel a bit better knowing the October activity is a good sign. So if my withholding was $5,306 total and I have that $762 additional assessment, plus my original tax was $4,875, I should still get something back right? Math was never my strong suit but it seems like I'd still have a small refund coming? π€
Looking at your transcript breakdown, you should definitely still get a refund! Here's the math: Your total withholding was $5,306 ($3,456 + $1,850 from the two 806 codes). Your original tax liability was $4,875, plus that additional $762 assessment = $5,637 total. So $5,306 - $5,637 = you'd still be due a small refund of around $331, assuming no other adjustments. The fact they waived your penalties and interest (saving you $558 total) shows they're being fair about their processing delays. That October 21st activity is definitely movement in the right direction - when the IRS removes penalties like that, it usually means they're wrapping up the case. Keep monitoring for an 846 code in the next few weeks. With amended returns, they often batch process the final calculations, so you might see everything resolve at once. The multiple 570 codes just mean they're being thorough with the review process.
Wait, I'm getting confused by all these numbers π Can someone double check the math here? I see the withholding amounts but I'm not sure if I'm reading the transcript correctly. Is the $4,875 from code 150 what I actually owe in taxes, or is that something else? And does that additional $762 assessment mean I definitely owe more money on top of everything? Sorry for all the questions but this is my first time dealing with amended returns and I just want to make sure I understand what's happening!
Does anyone know if there are different GILTI rules for different industries? We're in software development with significant IP held offshore, and I'm not sure if there are specific provisions we need to be aware of.
GILTI itself doesn't have industry-specific rules, but it definitely hits tech and software companies harder because of how it targets returns on intangible assets. Since your business model is centered around IP, you'll likely have a higher GILTI inclusion than businesses with lots of foreign tangible assets (like manufacturing). The qualified business asset investment (QBAI) exemption that reduces GILTI only applies to tangible assets, not IP assets. That's why many software companies get hit particularly hard - they have high foreign income but low tangible asset bases offshore.
I've been following this discussion with great interest as someone who's also navigating GILTI complexities. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the impact of timing differences between U.S. and foreign tax years on GILTI calculations. Our family business has operations in the UK where the tax year ends in March, while our U.S. tax year is calendar year. This creates some tricky situations for calculating the foreign tax credits and determining which year's foreign taxes can be credited against which year's GILTI inclusion. Also, for those dealing with multiple foreign subsidiaries, don't forget about the tested loss rules. If one of your CFCs has a tested loss in the same tax year that another has tested income, the loss can reduce your overall GILTI inclusion. This can be particularly beneficial if you have operations in different stages of development or seasonal businesses. The recordkeeping requirements for GILTI are also pretty intense - you need to track basis in foreign subsidiaries, foreign tax payments, and depreciation schedules for tangible property on a CFC-by-CFC basis. I'd recommend getting your documentation systems set up properly from the start rather than trying to reconstruct everything later.
I'm so grateful I found this thread! I've been dealing with tax anxiety for years, and the terminology around tax years has always been one of my biggest stumbling blocks. Reading through everyone's experiences really helped me realize that I'm not alone in finding IRS communications confusing and intimidating. What really resonates with me is how many people mentioned that initial panic when receiving any official tax correspondence. I think there's something about the formal language and official letterhead that immediately makes us assume we've done something terribly wrong. But as several people pointed out, most of these notices are just routine administrative requests. The explanation that "tax year 2022" simply refers to income earned during calendar year 2022 (regardless of when you filed) is so much clearer than anything I've read in official IRS publications. Sometimes peer explanations are worth more than all the official documentation combined! For anyone else who gets overwhelmed by tax notices: take a deep breath, read it carefully, and remember that getting a letter doesn't automatically mean you're in trouble. This community has shown me that most tax issues are much more manageable than they initially appear.
I really appreciate how supportive this community is! As someone who just joined and is dealing with my first confusing tax notice, it's incredibly reassuring to see so many people sharing similar experiences with tax anxiety. Your point about peer explanations being clearer than official IRS documentation really hits home - sometimes the government makes things way more complicated than they need to be. The fact that multiple people here have stressed that getting a notice doesn't mean you're in trouble is something I definitely needed to hear. I'm still waiting to see what my "tax year 2022" notice is actually about, but reading through this thread has already reduced my stress level significantly. It's amazing how much better you feel when you realize that your confusion is completely normal and that there are practical solutions and resources available. Thanks for sharing your perspective - it really helps to know that even people who have been dealing with taxes for a while still find certain aspects overwhelming sometimes.
Reading through all these experiences really highlights how unnecessarily complicated the IRS makes their communications! As someone who's been preparing taxes for clients for over a decade, I can confirm that "tax year 2022" simply refers to income earned during calendar year 2022 - which you would have reported on returns filed in early 2023. The confusion is totally understandable because the IRS uses this backwards terminology everywhere. When they say "tax year 2022," they mean the 2022 tax return (Form 1040) that covers income from January 1, 2022 through December 31, 2022. This return would have been due April 18, 2023. A few key points for anyone dealing with similar notices: 1. Don't panic - most notices are routine correspondence, not audit threats 2. The notice date and response deadline are more important than the tax year mentioned 3. "Tax year" always refers to the year you EARNED the income, not when you filed 4. State and federal agencies use the same terminology For the original poster - since you moved in late 2021 and were unemployed then, any "tax year 2022" notice would relate to income earned in your new location during 2022. If you didn't have taxable income there in 2022, you may need to respond explaining your situation or claim an exemption if applicable. The IRS really should simplify their language, but unfortunately we're stuck with their confusing terminology for now!
Pro tip: stop checking and turn on email notifications in your IRS account settings. Save urself the headache π
From my experience, WMR updates once daily (usually overnight between 3-6am EST) and transcripts typically update weekly on Fridays around the same time. But like others mentioned, the cycle code on your transcript determines your specific update day - it's the last 2 digits of that long number on your account transcript. I used to check obsessively too until I learned this schedule! Now I just check Friday mornings and save myself the stress. The waiting game is brutal but at least knowing when to actually look helps π
This is super helpful! I'm new to all this tax stuff and had no idea there was actually a schedule to when things update. Been driving myself crazy checking WMR like 10 times a day π€¦ββοΈ Gonna look up my cycle code now and stop torturing myself lol. Thanks for breaking it down!
Same here! I was literally refreshing WMR every few hours thinking something would magically change π This community is so helpful - wish I found it sooner. Now I know to just check Friday mornings and actually get some sleep instead of staying up wondering about my refund status!
Zainab Mahmoud
Has anyone used both Guideline and Gusto for the retirement plan setup? I'm trying to figure out if having them integrated makes it easier to claim these Secure Act 2.0 credits or if it's basically the same no matter which provider you use.
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Ava Williams
β’We use the Gusto + Guideline integration for our 15-person company and it's been great. The integration makes it super easy to manage contributions and Guideline provided documentation specifically for claiming the Secure Act credits. They automatically track qualifying expenses which made Form 8881 much easier to complete.
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Connor Rupert
I've been following this thread closely as I'm in a similar situation with my small consulting firm (6 employees, also S-Corp structure). Based on everyone's experiences here, it sounds like the key is making sure you have proper documentation of all setup costs and that your payroll provider can generate the right reports for Form 8881. One thing I'd add - if you're already using Gusto, they actually have some built-in retirement plan options that qualify for Secure Act 2.0 credits. You might want to check with them specifically about their 401(k) offerings rather than going with a separate provider. Sometimes having everything integrated makes the reporting cleaner come tax time. Also, since you mentioned being confused about the credits - the IRS actually published some updated guidance in late 2023 (Notice 2023-75) that clarifies a lot of the questions people have been asking in this thread. Worth checking out if you want the official details rather than relying on third-party interpretations.
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Paolo Romano
β’Thanks for mentioning Notice 2023-75! I've been struggling to find clear official guidance on these credits. Just looked it up and it's exactly what I needed - especially the part about how the employer contribution credit works for different business structures. One question though - do you know if there are any deadlines we need to be aware of for setting up the retirement plan to qualify for the 2024 tax year credits? I'm worried we might be cutting it close if we wait much longer to get started.
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