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This has been such an incredibly thorough discussion! As someone who handles corporate tax compliance for several clients, I'm bookmarking this entire thread. The evolution from the basic question about deductibility to covering tax-on-tax effects, multi-state complications, credit interactions, and even FIN 48 considerations is exactly the kind of comprehensive analysis that's hard to find elsewhere. What really strikes me is how interconnected all these issues are. You can't just look at deferred taxes in isolation - you have to consider the state tax implications, the interaction with uncertain tax positions, the quarterly reporting requirements, and even future business changes. It's a perfect example of why corporate tax accounting requires such careful documentation and analysis. For anyone still working through similar deferred tax issues, I'd suggest creating a detailed checklist that covers all the points raised here: verify you're using the correct blended rate calculation, document your assumptions about future rate changes, ensure consistency with FIN 48 positions, and maintain detailed support for your quarterly rollforward calculations. The upfront work is significant, but it prevents the kind of prior period correction headaches that several people mentioned. Thanks to everyone who contributed their expertise here - this is the kind of collaborative problem-solving that makes these professional communities so valuable!
@SebastiΓ‘n Stevens - I completely agree about bookmarking this thread! As someone new to the corporate tax world, this discussion has been like a masterclass in deferred tax complexities. What started as my confusion about basic deductibility turned into understanding concepts I didn t'even know existed a few hours ago. The collaborative approach here really highlights how these tax accounting issues require multiple perspectives to fully understand. I m'particularly grateful for the practical tips about documentation and checklists - that s'exactly the kind of actionable guidance that will help me avoid mistakes as I work through our year-end tax provision. One thing that really resonates is how interconnected everything is in corporate tax accounting. You can t'just focus on one piece without considering all the downstream effects. This thread is a perfect example of why having access to experienced practitioners is so valuable for those of us still learning the ropes. I m'definitely going to be referring back to this discussion as I work through our deferred tax calculations. Thanks to everyone who shared their expertise!
This has been an absolutely fantastic deep dive into deferred tax complexities! As someone who works with multi-state corporate clients, I can't emphasize enough how valuable this discussion has been. I wanted to add one more consideration that hasn't been mentioned yet: the impact of SALT cap limitations on your deferred tax calculations. With the $10,000 cap on state and local tax deductions for federal purposes, some companies are finding that their traditional assumption about state taxes being federally deductible isn't always holding true anymore. If your company is hitting the SALT cap, the deductibility of additional state taxes becomes more complicated, which can affect how you calculate the tax-on-tax adjustment in your blended rate. For companies with significant state tax liabilities, this could materially impact the effective rate used in deferred tax calculations. We've started including SALT cap projections in our deferred tax rate calculations for clients where this could be a factor. It adds another layer of complexity, but it's necessary for accuracy given the current tax environment. Also, for anyone dealing with these complex deferred tax issues regularly, I'd recommend developing a standardized documentation template that captures all the decision points discussed here - from rate calculations to FIN 48 interactions to quarterly rollforward support. Having consistent documentation makes audits much smoother and helps ensure year-over-year consistency in your approach. Thanks again to everyone for sharing such detailed insights - this is exactly the kind of collaborative learning that helps us all stay current with evolving tax complexities!
@Arjun Kurti - That s'a really important point about the SALT cap that I hadn t'considered! As someone just getting into corporate tax, I m'realizing there are so many layers to consider beyond the basic deferred tax calculation. The SALT cap impact on the tax-on-tax effect calculation makes total sense - if state taxes aren t'fully deductible federally due to the cap, then the traditional blended rate formula would overstate the federal tax benefit of state tax payments. This could lead to understating your deferred tax liability if you re'not factoring in the SALT limitation. Your suggestion about developing standardized documentation templates is spot on. After reading through this entire discussion, I can see how easy it would be to miss important considerations or apply different methodologies year over year without proper documentation. Having a comprehensive checklist that covers rate calculations, state apportionment assumptions, SALT cap impacts, FIN 48 interactions, and all the other factors discussed here would be incredibly valuable. This thread has been such an education in how complex corporate tax accounting really is. Thanks to everyone for sharing their expertise - it s'given me a much better foundation for understanding these issues as I continue learning in this field!
Has anyone else had their stimulus checks garnished for child support? I'm worried that if I file now to get the past stimulus money, it might all go to my back child support instead of to me. Really need this money for rent.
I was in a very similar situation - divorced and hadn't filed since 2018 due to complications with my ex's business documentation. Here's what I learned after finally getting caught up: You can absolutely still claim the stimulus payments! The key deadlines people mention are for the original automatic payments, but there's no deadline for claiming them as Recovery Rebate Credits when you file your returns. You have 3 years from the original filing deadline to file and get refunds. A few important things I wish I'd known earlier: - File your returns in chronological order (2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, etc.) - The stimulus payments are claimed on specific years: 2020 return for first two payments, 2021 return for the third - If you're due refunds (which you likely are with the stimulus credits), there are no late filing penalties - Keep detailed records of everything since you'll be mailing paper returns The whole process took me about 6 months to complete, but I ended up getting back over $4,000 in stimulus money plus additional refunds I wasn't expecting. Don't let the overwhelm stop you - start with gathering your documents for 2018 and work forward. You've got this!
Just wanted to add some important context here - you absolutely can still claim those stimulus payments through the Recovery Rebate Credit when you file your back taxes. However, be aware that the IRS has been extra thorough in reviewing returns that claim these credits, so make sure you have documentation of what you actually received (or didn't receive). If you're unsure about which payments you got, you can request your Account Transcript from the IRS online at irs.gov - it'll show all payments made to you. This will help you avoid claiming incorrect amounts which could delay your refund or trigger correspondence from the IRS. Also, since you mentioned being out of work, don't forget to look into other credits you might be eligible for like the Earned Income Tax Credit (if you had some income) or the Child Tax Credit if you have kids. These can significantly increase your refund beyond just the stimulus payments.
This is really helpful advice, especially about getting the Account Transcript! I didn't even know that was a thing. Quick question though - when you say the IRS has been "extra thorough" with these returns, what does that actually mean? Are they taking longer to process, or are people getting audited more often? I'm already nervous about filing so late and don't want to make things worse by doing something wrong.
@Christian Burns is spot on about getting that Account Transcript - it s'a lifesaver! When I say extra "thorough, I" mean the IRS is taking longer to process returns with Recovery Rebate Credits usually (6-12 weeks instead of the normal 21 days because) they re'cross-referencing your claimed amounts against their payment records. It s'not necessarily more audits, but they will send you a letter if there s'a discrepancy asking you to verify or correct the amount. I ve'seen people wait months for their refunds because they claimed the wrong stimulus amount and had to go back and forth with the IRS to resolve it. The key is being accurate from the start - if your Account Transcript shows you received $600 but not the $1,200 payment, only claim the $1,200 on your return. Better to be conservative and correct than to overclaim and deal with delays. The IRS has gotten much better at catching these discrepancies since they have all the payment data digitized now.
Just wanted to share my experience since I was in almost the exact same situation last year. I hadn't filed 2020 or 2021 taxes and was panicking about missing out on the stimulus money. Here's what I learned: First, you definitely CAN still get the stimulus payments through the Recovery Rebate Credit when you file your back taxes. The money comes as part of your tax refund, not as separate stimulus checks. Second, time is critical! For 2020 taxes, you only have until May 17, 2024 to claim any refund (including stimulus money). That's coming up fast! For 2021, you have until April 18, 2025. I ended up getting my Account Transcript from the IRS website to see exactly which payments I had received (turned out I got one partial payment I'd forgotten about). This was crucial because the IRS will delay your refund if you claim the wrong amount. Filed both years in February and got my refunds about 10 weeks later - much slower than normal but I did get the full stimulus amounts I was eligible for. The wait was nerve-wracking but totally worth it. Don't give up hope, just make sure you file accurately and as soon as possible!
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the potential for basis adjustment due to the "kiddie tax" that might have applied while the shares were in the UGMA account. If the custodial account generated dividends or other income that exceeded certain thresholds while you were a minor, there could be implications for your basis calculation. Also, don't forget to check if there were any return of capital distributions over the years that would have reduced your basis. With shares held this long, it's surprisingly common.
I'm not sure I understand how the kiddie tax would affect my basis. I thought that just determined the tax rate on unearned income for minors, not the actual basis in the securities. Could you explain how that would change my cost basis? The company didn't pay dividends until after it was acquired around 2010, so I'm not sure if that makes a difference.
You're right about the kiddie tax - I misspoke. It affects the tax rate on unearned income but doesn't impact your basis directly. I was confusing it with another issue. What's more relevant is tracking any reinvested dividends after 2010. Each dividend reinvestment would create a new tax lot with its own basis and holding period. If dividends were being reinvested, your basis would be higher than just the original gift basis. Your brokerage should have records of these reinvestments, even if they occurred in the custodial account. Regarding the acquisition in 2010 - that's crucial information. If the original company was acquired, you need documentation on the terms of that acquisition to properly calculate your basis in the resulting shares.
This is exactly the type of complex situation where getting professional help makes sense. Between the original employee stock options, the UGMA transfer, multiple corporate actions (two mergers!), and decades of potential dividend reinvestments, you're dealing with a multi-layered basis calculation that could easily result in overpaying taxes if handled incorrectly. A few additional things to consider that others haven't mentioned: 1. Check if your brokerage has any historical records from when the shares were transferred in 2018. Sometimes they capture basis information from custodial accounts even if it's not immediately visible. 2. Contact the current company's investor relations department - they often maintain historical information about corporate actions, stock splits, and merger terms going back decades. This documentation will be crucial for your basis calculations. 3. If your father still has any old tax returns from around 1992 when he exercised the options, those might show the income he recognized, which would help establish his original basis. 4. Don't overlook state tax implications - some states have different rules for gift basis than federal tax law. Given the potential tax savings involved with shares held for 30+ years, it's probably worth investing in proper documentation and calculation rather than guessing. The IRS is pretty strict about substantiating basis claims, especially on large gains from old securities.
This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I'm definitely starting to realize this is more complex than I initially thought. The part about contacting investor relations is something I wouldn't have considered - do you know if they typically charge for providing this historical information? Also, regarding my father's old tax returns from 1992, would those actually show the basis in the shares after exercising options? I thought option exercises might be reported differently than regular stock purchases. And you mentioned state tax implications - I'm in California now but the original transactions happened when we lived in Texas. Does that create additional complications? I'm leaning toward getting professional help at this point, but want to gather as much documentation as possible first to keep costs down.
Rebecca Johnston
I had the exact same "Action Required" message show up on my 2024 transcript last week! Really freaked me out at first because of that exclamation mark, but after doing some research and talking to a tax pro friend, it seems like this is just their new way of saying "we're processing your return and might need to verify some stuff." From what I understand, the IRS is being extra cautious this year with identity verification and certain credits (like EITC, CTC, etc.). The 714 timestamp you mentioned is pretty standard - that's usually when their system updates overnight. I'm in week 2 of waiting and haven't received any mail notice yet. My "Where's My Refund" tool still just says "being processed" but at least the transcript shows they received it. Trying not to stress about it since everyone here seems to say it usually works out fine. @Bruno that's solid advice about checking mail daily - definitely don't want to miss an actual notice if one comes!
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Ethan Brown
β’Same here with the 714 timestamp! I noticed mine updated at exactly that time too. Makes sense that it's their overnight processing window. Really appreciate you mentioning the identity verification angle - I claimed some education credits this year so that might be what triggered the review for me. Definitely going to keep checking my mailbox religiously until this gets sorted out!
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Evelyn Kim
I got the same exact message on my 2024 transcript! The "Action Required" wording definitely caught me off guard too, but after reading through all these responses I'm feeling a lot more confident that it's just standard processing stuff. What's helping me stay calm is remembering that if they actually NEEDED something from me right now, they would have been way more specific about what to do. The fact that the message basically says "we'll contact you IF we need something" tells me they're still working through their review process. I filed about 10 days ago and have been obsessively checking my transcript daily (probably not helping my stress levels lol). But seeing that other people are in the same boat and that some folks from last year never even got a follow-up notice is reassuring. Going to try to stop checking every day and just focus on watching my mail for the next few weeks. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - this community is such a lifesaver during tax season! π
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