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Has anyone mentioned the at-risk rules yet? Even if you could somehow get around the passive activity loss limitations, you'd still need to have "at-risk" basis in the LLC to claim the losses. Did you or your wife actually contribute cash or property to the LLC, or personally guarantee any loans? Without at-risk basis, you can't take the losses even if they weren't passive.

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Dyllan Nantx

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Great point about at-risk rules. I learned this the hard way with my family LLC. Had $32k in losses but could only claim about $8k because that's all I had at risk in the business (my initial capital contribution). The rest got suspended not just because of passive activity rules but because of at-risk limitations. OP should definitely check their capital account on the K-1.

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Just to add another perspective on this - make sure you're also considering the state tax implications carefully. I had a similar situation with an out-of-state LLC and ended up owing more in nonresident state taxes than I expected because the state where the property was located didn't allow the same loss carryforward rules as the federal return. Also, keep detailed records of all your suspended passive losses. I use a simple spreadsheet to track mine year over year, including the original source and any partial usage. It becomes really important when you eventually dispose of the property or generate passive income to offset against. The IRS doesn't send you a reminder of what you have suspended, so it's on you to track it properly. One last thought - if this hunting property ever generates rental income (like seasonal hunting leases), that would be passive income that could be offset by your suspended losses. Might be worth discussing with the family whether monetizing the property could help everyone's tax situation.

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StarGazer101

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This is really helpful advice about tracking suspended losses! I'm new to all this K-1 stuff and honestly feeling a bit overwhelmed by all the different rules - passive activity, at-risk, state taxes, etc. The spreadsheet idea is great because you're right that the IRS won't remind you what you have suspended. I'm wondering though - when you say "partial usage" of suspended losses, how does that work exactly? Like if I have $29k suspended and generate $5k in passive income next year, do I get to choose which losses to use first, or is it automatic? Also, regarding the hunting lease income idea - that's actually really smart! The property does get some seasonal hunting revenue. Would that income show up on next year's K-1 as passive income that could offset some of these suspended losses?

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QuantumQueen

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For QSBS tracking specifically, make sure whoever prepares your taxes understands the documentation requirements. We had an SPV investment in a QSBS-eligible company, but when it came time to exit, we discovered our accountant hadn't maintained the proper documentation from day one to support the exclusion. Cost us a fortune in taxes that could have been avoided. Make sure your operating agreement specifically addresses QSBS tracking and that you keep meticulous records of the holding period for each investor.

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Aisha Rahman

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This is so important! We had a similar issue where half our investors couldn't take full advantage of QSBS because the documentation wasn't right. Did you find any specific software or system that works well for tracking this?

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One thing I'd add to this conversation is that you should also budget for potential audit defense costs. While SPVs with simple structures are less likely to be audited, the IRS has been focusing more on partnership returns lately, especially those involving investment activities. Even a simple audit can cost $2,000-5,000 in professional fees to handle properly. Consider getting audit protection insurance or setting aside a small contingency fund from your SPV for this possibility. It's not common, but when it happens, you don't want to be caught off guard with unexpected costs that have to be split among all the investors. Also, make sure your operating agreement clearly spells out how these ongoing compliance costs will be handled - whether they come out of the SPV's cash or are billed back to investors pro-rata. This prevents awkward conversations later when the annual tax bills come due.

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Isaiah Cross

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This is really helpful advice about budgeting for audit defense. As someone new to SPV structures, I'm wondering - are there any specific red flags that make an SPV more likely to be audited? Also, when you mention audit protection insurance, is that something you get through your regular business insurance provider or are there specialized carriers for partnership audit coverage? We're just starting to put together our SPV documents and want to make sure we're thinking about all these potential costs upfront.

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Same situation here! Filed in January and still showing "processing" status. One thing I learned is that Michigan processes returns in batches, not continuously like the IRS. They typically run major processing cycles 2-3 times per week. Also, if you claimed any credits like the Earned Income Credit or have dependents, that automatically adds extra review time - usually 2-4 weeks beyond the standard processing period.

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This is really helpful info about the batch processing! I had no idea Michigan worked differently than the IRS. Do you happen to know which days of the week they typically run those processing cycles? Trying to figure out the best times to check for updates.

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Emma Johnson

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From what I've seen, they usually run the big batches on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Friday mornings. The Tuesday batch seems to be the biggest one. I'd check the Where's My Refund tool on Wednesday and Saturday mornings since those would reflect any updates from the previous day's processing.

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@Kara Yoshida - I've been through this exact same frustration with Michigan! One thing that helped me was understanding that their "processing" status is actually pretty broad and can mean several different things. Sometimes your refund is already approved internally but the status won't update until the actual deposit is scheduled. Also, if you e-filed, Michigan typically takes 14-21 business days for straightforward returns, but if there are any discrepancies with your W-2s or if you're claiming education credits, it can easily stretch to 6-8 weeks. Have you tried accessing your account transcript through Michigan's online portal? Sometimes that shows more detailed status info than the basic refund tracker.

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Honorah King

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One thing nobody's mentioned - if you're married and your spouse qualifies as a real estate professional, their status can apply to your jointly owned properties too. My wife works full-time in property management (easily meets the 750+ hours), so all our rental properties are treated as non-passive activities. Might be worth considering if your spouse has real estate involvement.

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Tyler Murphy

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This is a great point that I hadn't considered! Does the spouse need to be actively involved in ALL the properties to qualify, or just meet the general real estate professional requirements? Also, do both spouses need to be on the title, or can one spouse's professional status cover properties owned solely by the other spouse?

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Lourdes Fox

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The spouse needs to meet the real estate professional requirements (750+ hours annually in real estate activities AND more than half their working time in real estate), but they don't need to be involved in every single property you own. Once they qualify as a real estate professional, that status can apply to rental properties owned by either spouse or jointly owned properties when filing a joint return. However, there's an important caveat - the non-real-estate-professional spouse still needs to "materially participate" in each specific rental activity to avoid passive treatment. This usually means being significantly involved in management decisions for that particular property. So while your spouse's professional status opens the door, you can't be completely hands-off and still get active treatment. For properties owned solely by the non-professional spouse, the professional spouse would need to be involved enough in that property's management to establish material participation for the couple as a unit.

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Gianna Scott

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One more angle to consider - if you're dealing with non-paying tenants and significant losses, you might want to look into whether any of this qualifies as a "theft loss" or "casualty loss" rather than just passive rental losses. If tenants damaged the property beyond normal wear and tear or if there was actual criminal activity involved (like breaking lease agreements fraudulently), you might be able to claim some losses under different tax provisions that aren't subject to the passive activity rules. Also, make sure you're maximizing all your deductions related to this situation - legal fees for eviction proceedings, property management costs, repairs from tenant damage, etc. These can all potentially offset rental income from other properties even if you can't use them against ordinary income. The documentation suggestions everyone's made are spot-on. I'd also recommend taking photos of any property damage and keeping copies of all communications with tenants, including payment demands and eviction notices. This creates a paper trail that shows your active involvement in trying to manage the situation.

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AstroAce

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This is really helpful advice about exploring theft/casualty loss angles! I hadn't thought about that possibility. Quick question - do you know if there's a specific threshold for tenant damage that would qualify it as a casualty loss versus just normal rental property depreciation? My tenants left the place pretty trashed, but I'm not sure if it rises to the level of casualty loss or if it's just considered part of the rental business risks. Also, regarding the legal fees - can those be deducted in the year incurred even if I'm subject to passive loss limitations, or do they get swept up in the same passive activity rules?

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How are LLC business losses applied against W2 income versus capital gains for pass-through entities?

I'm looking at an investment opportunity in a real estate LLC that generates tax losses through property purchases and donations (basically tax equity deals). The structure seems pretty advantageous - if I invest $100K, I could potentially save around $130K in taxes by offsetting my income with these pass-through losses. I understand there's a 30% of AGI limitation for real estate donation deductions, but I'm confused about how this works when I have both regular income and capital gains in the same year. In 2024, I'm expecting significant capital gains alongside my normal W2 income. Let me use a simplified example to explain my question (ignoring marginal rate complexities): - If I only have W2 income: $750K W2 income with a 30% tax rate = $225K tax - With a $250K LLC loss, my taxable income drops to $500K, and my tax goes down to $150K But what happens when I add capital gains? - $750K W2 income at 30% = $225K tax - $400K capital gains at 20% = $80K tax - Total AGI: $1.15M with $305K tax With my AGI at $1.15M, my 30% loss capacity would be around $345K. But my question is: what does this LLC pass-through loss offset first? Does it reduce my W2 income or my capital gains? Or do I not even get the increased capacity based on my total AGI? The tax savings obviously needs to account for the initial investment, but I'm trying to understand the mechanics of how these losses are applied first. Any insights?

Amara Okafor

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I've been through a similar scenario with real estate LLCs that combine rental activities with charitable donations. One thing that caught me off guard was the AMT (Alternative Minimum Tax) implications. These deals can sometimes trigger AMT because the charitable deduction for appreciated property is treated differently under AMT rules. Also, make sure you understand the depreciation recapture implications if/when the LLC eventually sells properties. The pass-through losses you're claiming now include depreciation deductions, and when properties are sold, that depreciation gets "recaptured" and taxed as ordinary income up to 25%, not capital gains rates. Regarding your original question about loss application order - yes, losses offset ordinary income first, which is beneficial. But don't forget about the Net Investment Income Tax (NIIT) of 3.8% that might apply to your capital gains if your AGI exceeds $200K ($250K if married filing jointly). The LLC losses reducing your AGI could help you avoid or minimize this additional tax layer.

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Great points about AMT and depreciation recapture - those are definitely aspects I hadn't fully considered. The AMT implications are particularly concerning since I'm already in a higher income bracket. Do you know if there's a way to estimate the AMT impact before committing to the investment? Also, regarding the NIIT, that's a really helpful insight. If my LLC losses bring my AGI down enough to avoid the 3.8% threshold, that could add significant value beyond just the primary tax savings. With $400K in capital gains, avoiding NIIT on that amount would save an additional $15K. That's a meaningful benefit that wasn't in my original calculations. Did you run into any issues with the IRS challenging the fair market value appraisals on the donated properties in your LLC investment?

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Carmen Ortiz

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One important consideration that hasn't been mentioned yet is the timing of when you can actually claim these losses. Real estate donation deals often have specific milestone requirements before losses can be recognized - for example, the property needs to be purchased, improved, appraised, and formally donated to qualify for the deductions. I've seen investors get caught off guard when they expected to claim losses in year one, but the LLC's timeline pushed the donation (and thus the major tax benefits) into the following tax year. This can significantly impact your tax planning, especially if you're counting on offsetting current year capital gains. Also, be aware of the "substantial economic effect" requirements under Section 704(b). The IRS requires that partnership allocations have economic substance beyond just tax benefits. Make sure your LLC operating agreement properly documents how profits and losses are allocated among members, and that these allocations would have meaningful economic consequences outside of taxes. Given the complexity of these transactions, I'd strongly recommend getting a second opinion from a tax professional who specializes in partnership taxation and charitable giving strategies. The potential tax savings are significant, but so are the compliance requirements and audit risks if not structured properly.

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