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Anyone know how the amortization works for the amounts above $5,000? My startup costs were about $8,200 and organizational were about $2,800. I understand I can deduct $5k of startup costs immediately, but how do I handle amortizing the remaining $3,200?
For your situation, you'd deduct the full $5,000 of your startup costs immediately on your Schedule C. The remaining $3,200 would be amortized over 180 months (15 years), which means you can deduct about $213 per year for the next 15 years ($3,200 รท 180 ร 12 months for a full year). For your organizational costs, since the total is under $5,000 (at $2,800), you can deduct the entire amount in the first year. Make sure you attach an election statement to your return stating you're electing to amortize startup costs under Section 195 and deduct organizational costs under Section 709 (assuming you're filing as a partnership) or Section 248 (if filing as a corporation).
This is such a helpful thread! I'm in a similar situation with my new single-member LLC and had been stressing about these deductions. One thing I want to add - make sure you keep really detailed records of what you spent and when. I created a spreadsheet categorizing each expense as either startup or organizational from day one, which made tax prep so much easier. Also, for anyone wondering about timing - the IRS considers your business to have "begun" when you start offering goods/services to customers, not when you filed your LLC paperwork. So expenses before that date are typically startup/organizational, while expenses after are regular business deductions. This distinction was crucial for me since I had some overlap expenses right around my launch date. The election statement requirement that @Manny mentioned is super important - I almost forgot to include it and caught it at the last minute. Better to be safe than sorry with the IRS!
Great point about the timing distinction! I'm just getting started with my LLC formation and hadn't thought about when exactly the "business began" for tax purposes. When you say "offering goods/services to customers" - does that mean the first sale, or just when you're ready to accept customers? I've set up my website and marketing but haven't made my first sale yet. Want to make sure I'm categorizing my recent expenses correctly between startup costs and regular business expenses.
mine came through last week! took 97 days total. check your transcripts daily, thats how i knew it was coming
I was cycle 20241505 - they processed it right after the 846 code showed up on my transcript. @Dmitri keep checking yours, things can move fast once they start processing!
Been through this exact same situation last year. Got the 60-day letter in March, didn't see my refund until mid-July (about 110 days total). The waiting is brutal but most people do eventually get their money. The key is staying on top of your transcript - once you see the 846 code appear, your refund usually hits within a week. Don't give up hope!
Thanks for sharing your experience! 110 days is rough but good to know there's light at the end of the tunnel. I'm on day 73 now so hopefully getting closer. Did you do anything specific to speed it up or just had to wait it out?
Make sure when you file the 1040-X that you're starting with the numbers from your ORIGINAL return! Biggest mistake I made was trying to create a new return with all my info plus the new 1099. You need to use exactly what you originally filed, then show the changes column by column on the 1040-X.
Just went through this exact same situation a few months ago! The rejection message you got is totally normal - the IRS system automatically blocks multiple returns for the same tax year because most people who try this are accidentally filing duplicates. Like others mentioned, you definitely need Form 1040-X to amend your original return with the freelance income. One thing I'd add is to make sure you have a copy of your original return before you start the amendment process. You'll need those exact numbers to fill out the "Original Amount" column on the 1040-X. Also, don't stress too much about the timing. Since you received the 1099 late, you're being proactive by filing the amendment. The IRS would have eventually caught the discrepancy anyway when they matched their records, so you're actually saving yourself potential penalties by addressing it now. Just be prepared for the longer processing time - mine took about 20 weeks to get processed and the refund adjustment.
Thanks for sharing your experience! 20 weeks is a long time to wait - did you have to pay any interest on the additional tax you owed from the freelance income during that processing period? I'm trying to figure out if I should expect to pay interest from my original filing deadline even though I'm filing the amendment now.
where did u find the cycle code? I cant find mine anywere on the transcript
Look at the account transcript, it's usually on the most recent transaction line
Filed 1/19 and accepted same day with cycle code 20250405 too! Still waiting on mine as well. From what I've researched, the "05" means we're on the weekly Friday processing cycle, so our refunds should be released this Friday 2/7. Then it depends on your bank how fast they process it. Keep checking WMR (Where's My Refund) tool on IRS.gov for the most accurate updates!
Benjamin Johnson
I just want to echo what everyone else is saying - your parents' concerns are totally normal, but they're worrying unnecessarily! I'm a tax professional and see this confusion all the time. The simplest way I explain it to clients is this: Think of gift tax like a credit card with a $13+ million limit. The annual exclusion ($18k per person in 2024) is like paying with cash - no tracking needed. Anything above that is like putting it on the "credit card" (lifetime exemption) - you need to report it with Form 709, but you don't actually "pay the bill" (owe gift tax) until you max out that enormous credit limit. For your $200k situation: Your parents could give $72k total with zero paperwork ($18k from each parent to both you and your spouse). The remaining $128k would just need to be reported on Form 709 - no tax owed. One thing that might help convince them: have them look up their state's gift tax rules too. Most states (including the big ones like California, Texas, Florida) don't even have their own gift taxes, so this is purely a federal issue with those generous federal exemptions. The bottom line: unless your parents are secretly millionaires planning to give away over $27 million as a couple during their lifetimes, they'll never pay gift tax on helping with your house!
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Ev Luca
โขThis credit card analogy is perfect! As someone who just went through this process myself, I can confirm everything you're saying. My parents were in the exact same boat - super worried about gift taxes when they helped us with our down payment. What really helped was when I showed them the actual numbers. Even if they give away $200k this year, they'd still have over $13.4 million left in their lifetime exemption. When you put it that way, it really shows how this is designed for much wealthier people than most of us will ever be! The Form 709 filing ended up being straightforward too. Our tax preparer said it's becoming more and more common as housing prices have gone up and parents are helping with larger down payments. The whole "gift tax crisis" my parents were imagining just never materialized. @Benjamin Johnson - do you find that most of your clients are surprised by how generous the lifetime exemption actually is? It seems like there s'so much misinformation out there about gift taxes.
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Charity Cohan
I'm dealing with almost the exact same situation right now! My parents want to help with a $185k down payment but they've been reading scary articles online about gift taxes and are convinced they'll owe thousands in penalties. What's been most helpful in our discussions is pointing out that the IRS designed these rules specifically to handle wealthy families transferring millions - not middle-class parents helping their kids buy homes. The $13.61 million lifetime exemption is intentionally huge because it's meant to catch people with serious wealth, not parents contributing to down payments. I've been trying to find simple ways to explain this to them, and honestly the analogies people have shared here (like the credit card example) are so much clearer than anything I found in official IRS publications. Sometimes you need to translate the tax code into everyday language! One thing that helped move the needle with my parents was showing them that even if they give us the full amount this year AND decide to help my sister with her house next year, they'd still only use up maybe 3% of their lifetime exemption. When they realized how much cushion they actually have, it made the whole thing feel much less risky. Has anyone found success with specific IRS resources that are particularly parent-friendly? I'm still working on convincing mine, and having some official documentation that's written in plain English would be really helpful.
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