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Caden Nguyen

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Does anyone know if I need to keep track of these non-dividend distributions myself or if my brokerage will do that for me? I got some from my MLP investments last year and I'm not sure if my cost basis is being adjusted automatically in my account.

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Avery Flores

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In my experience, many brokerages don't properly track cost basis adjustments for non-dividend distributions, especially for MLPs and certain REITs. You'll probably need to keep track yourself. Check your 1099-DIV form from last year - Box 3 shows non-dividend distributions. You should manually record these and adjust your cost basis accordingly.

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Mason Kaczka

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You're absolutely right to be thinking about this carefully! While it's true that non-dividend distributions lower your cost basis and potentially increase your taxable gain when you sell, there are some important timing benefits to consider. The key advantage is that you're getting cash now without any immediate tax consequences, while only paying taxes later when you sell. This tax deferral can be valuable because: 1. You have use of that money immediately (time value of money) 2. Your future tax rate might be lower than today's rate 3. You can control the timing of when you realize the gain by choosing when to sell Also, some non-dividend distributions might represent genuine returns of excess capital that the company doesn't need for operations, rather than just accounting maneuvers. In those cases, you're getting back money that might otherwise just sit on the company's balance sheet earning minimal returns. That said, you're right to be cautious - make sure you're tracking these basis adjustments properly since they'll affect your taxes when you eventually sell!

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This is really helpful! I'm new to investing and wasn't even aware that I needed to track basis adjustments myself. When you mention controlling the timing of when you realize the gain - does that mean I could potentially hold the stock longer to qualify for long-term capital gains treatment? That could make the eventual higher taxable gain more palatable if it's taxed at the lower long-term rate instead of ordinary income rates. Also, how do most people keep track of these adjustments over time? Is there a simple way to organize this information, especially if you're receiving multiple non-dividend distributions from the same investment over several years?

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Filed amended return and now getting audited - what's going on?

So I went to get my taxes done at Jackson Tax Center back on January 18th. The whole thing has turned into a complete mess. The preparer told me I could use my last pay stub from December to file instead of waiting for my W-2. Stupid me, I believed them. Turns out the pay stub numbers were way off from my actual W-2 that arrived a week later. I went back to them immediately and explained the situation. They said "oh yeah we need to file an amended return" like it was no big deal. So the preparer had me come in, we fixed everything with the correct W-2 information, and then a few days later they called AGAIN saying I needed to come back a third time to sign some additional paperwork. By this point I was beyond frustrated because I've filed taxes for 12 years and never had this happen. I mailed the amended return on February 8th and tracking shows the IRS received it February 11th. The preparer told me it would take up to 16 weeks to process the amended return, which I was already annoyed about. But here's where it gets crazy - yesterday I got a letter from the IRS saying I'm being AUDITED for the exact same income discrepancy I already fixed with the amended return! Why am I being audited for something I already corrected? Did they not see that I submitted an amended return with the right information? What's the point of amending your taxes if they don't update their system to reflect the changes? The audit letter is asking for documentation I already provided with the amended return. Is this going to delay my refund even more? I was counting on that money and now I'm totally freaking out.

Paolo Ricci

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H&R Block should be helping you deal with this! Their preparer gave you incorrect advice about using a pay stub instead of waiting for your W-2, and now you're dealing with the consequences. Most tax prep chains have some kind of guarantee or assistance if you get audited for a return they prepared. Call the specific H&R Block office where you had your taxes done and ask to speak to the manager. Explain the situation and that you need their help responding to the audit notice, especially since it was their advice that led to this situation in the first place.

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Amina Toure

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H&R Block's "audit assistance" is a joke. I had a similar situation last year and they basically just printed out my return again and said "here you go." They didn't help draft any responses or talk to the IRS for me. Maybe OP's location is better, but my experience was terrible.

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QuantumQuest

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This is unfortunately a common issue with amended returns. The IRS systems don't always communicate well between departments, so your audit was likely triggered by the original return before your amendment was fully processed. Here's what you should do immediately: 1. **Respond to the audit notice promptly** - Don't wait for your amended return to finish processing. Include a cover letter explaining that you already filed Form 1040X on February 8th to correct this exact issue. 2. **Include your amendment tracking info** - Reference that the IRS received your amended return on February 11th and include any confirmation numbers you have. 3. **Provide all requested documentation** - Even though you already sent it with your amendment, include everything they're asking for: your W-2, the amended return copy, and any other supporting docs. 4. **Call the IRS** - Use the phone number on your audit notice to speak with someone who can potentially connect your audit case with your pending amended return. This could save you weeks of back-and-forth. The good news is that you've already done the hard work of correcting the issue. Most of these cases get resolved quickly once the auditor sees you proactively fixed the problem. Your refund might be delayed while this gets sorted out, but you shouldn't face any penalties since you corrected the error promptly. Don't panic - this is more of a paperwork coordination issue than a serious tax problem.

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Does Schedule C still require COGS when using Non-afs section 471(c) inventory method for small business?

I run a small retail LLC and report everything on Schedule C. In my bookkeeping I use cash method accounting and just expense inventory purchases when I pay for them. I don't track individual inventory items or try to allocate inventory costs in any specific way. From what I understand about IRS Section 1.471, since my business qualifies under the small business exclusion, I don't have to maintain inventory records as long as my accounting is consistent and clearly shows my income. What I'm confused about is when I'm doing my tax return - do I still need to fill out the Cost of Goods Sold section on Schedule C? Or can I skip it entirely since I'm excluded from the inventory rules and don't track COGS in my regular books? If I don't complete the COGS section, should I attach some kind of explanation with my return? I found this example in the Cornell Law section that seems pretty close to my situation: "Taxpayer H is a partnership engaged in the resale of beer, wine, and liquor. For Federal income tax purposes, H uses the overall cash method of accounting, and the non-AFS section 471(c) inventory method of accounting." This sounds like my scenario (except I sell different products). "As part of its regular business practice, H's employees take regular physical counts of the inventory on the shop floor and in the storeroom, however H's method of accounting for inventory for its books and records does not allocate costs between ending inventory and cost of goods sold, and instead expenses the cost of the inventory in the year it was paid for." This matches how I operate. I have a rough idea of my physical inventory but no way to allocate individual costs between COGS and ending inventory. "Prior to December 2020, H acquires and pays for $500,000 of beer, wine, and liquor. In addition, on December 1, 2020, H acquires $50,000 in beer. H may recover as deductions in 2020 the $550,000 of inventory costs." This part is what I'm most interested in. It seems like I should be able to deduct all my 2024 inventory purchases as expenses without tracking COGS or starting/ending inventory values. But does that mean I leave the COGS section blank on Schedule C or do I still need to fill it out somehow?

Diego Chavez

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Has anyone here used tax software like TurboTax or H&R Block for handling this non-AFS inventory situation on Schedule C? I'm trying to figure out if standard software can handle this properly or if I need something more specialized.

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NeonNebula

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I used TurboTax last year with this exact situation. It was a bit confusing because the software keeps asking for beginning/ending inventory values, but you can enter zeros. The tricky part was adding the statement about using the non-AFS section 471(c) method. I had to use the "form notes" feature to attach my explanation. It worked fine but wasn't very intuitive.

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Javier Cruz

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I'm in a very similar situation with my small e-commerce business and have been wrestling with this exact question for weeks! Reading through all these responses has been incredibly helpful. What I'm still confused about is the timing aspect. Since I'm using cash method accounting and treating inventory purchases as expenses when paid, what happens if I buy inventory in December 2024 but don't sell it until 2025? Under the traditional COGS method, that would stay in ending inventory for 2024. But with the non-AFS section 471(c) method, it sounds like I can deduct the full purchase price in 2024 even though the sale won't happen until 2025. Is that correct? It seems almost too good to be true that I can expense inventory immediately when purchased rather than waiting until it's sold. I want to make sure I'm not missing something important about the timing rules. Also, does anyone know if there are any restrictions on what types of businesses can use this method? I sell handmade crafts online - would that qualify the same as a retail business?

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Emma Wilson

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You're absolutely correct about the timing! That's exactly how the non-AFS section 471(c) method works - you can deduct inventory purchases in the year you pay for them, regardless of when you actually sell the items. So yes, if you buy inventory in December 2024, you can expense it fully in 2024 even if you don't sell it until 2025. This is one of the main benefits of this simplified method for small businesses. It eliminates the complexity of tracking what's sold versus what's still in inventory at year-end. For your handmade crafts business, you should qualify as long as you meet the gross receipts test (average annual gross receipts of $27 million or less over the prior 3-year period). The type of products you sell doesn't matter - whether it's retail goods, handmade crafts, or other merchandise, the same rules apply. Just make sure you're consistent with this method going forward and keep good records of your purchases. The IRS wants to see that you're applying the method uniformly across all your inventory costs.

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Oliver Brown

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Just wanted to add some clarity on the withholding estimate you got from your bank. The $300-400 they quoted at 24% might actually be correct if they're only withholding on the earnings portion of your withdrawal, not the full $5,000. Banks often use conservative estimates for withholding because they know contributions from Roth accounts come out tax-free. If your $5,000 withdrawal is mostly contributions with only a small portion being earnings, then 24% of just that earnings amount would result in much lower withholding than you'd expect. However, don't forget you'll still owe that 10% early withdrawal penalty on the full amount if you're under 59½, which would be $500 in your case. The bank's withholding estimate typically doesn't include penalties - just income tax withholding. So your total tax burden could be the withholding amount PLUS the $500 penalty, assuming no exceptions apply to your situation. I'd recommend asking your 403(b) administrator for a breakdown of your account balance showing contributions vs. earnings so you can calculate this more precisely.

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This is really helpful, Oliver! I think you're right about the bank's estimate. I never thought about them only withholding on the earnings portion. That makes way more sense than what I was initially thinking. Do you know if the 403(b) administrator is required to provide that contribution vs. earnings breakdown, or is it something I'd have to specifically request? I've been looking at my quarterly statements but they don't seem to break it down clearly. Also, would this breakdown be something I'd need for my tax filing, or is it just for my own planning purposes? Thanks for clarifying about the penalty not being included in withholding - that's definitely something I need to factor into my decision!

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Rajiv Kumar

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Great question about the breakdown! Your 403(b) administrator is required to track your contribution basis for tax purposes, but they're not necessarily required to show it clearly on regular statements. You'll definitely want to request this information specifically - call them and ask for a "contribution basis report" or "cost basis breakdown." When you actually take the withdrawal, they'll provide you with a 1099-R form that shows the total distribution and should indicate how much is taxable vs. non-taxable. However, getting this breakdown beforehand helps you plan better. You'll need this information for tax filing purposes if any portion of your withdrawal includes earnings. The 1099-R will report the distribution to the IRS, and you'll use that to complete Form 8606 (if needed) to properly report the tax-free vs. taxable portions on your tax return. Pro tip: Some administrators can provide this over the phone, while others might require a written request. If you're planning the withdrawal soon, I'd start this process now since it can sometimes take a few days to get the detailed breakdown.

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Max Reyes

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This is exactly the kind of detailed info I was looking for! I had no idea about Form 8606 or that I'd need to specifically request a contribution basis report. I've been assuming my regular statements would have everything I need. Quick follow-up question - when you mention getting the breakdown "beforehand," how far in advance would you recommend? I'm not planning to withdraw until maybe next month, but I want to make sure I have all my ducks in a row first. Also, is there any chance the contribution basis could change between when I get the report and when I actually make the withdrawal, or is it pretty stable once established? Thanks for the pro tip about calling vs. written requests too. I'll definitely start with a phone call to see what they can provide immediately.

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This is such a timely question! I just went through this exact same process about 6 months ago when I started my vending business with 8 machines. The learning curve is steep but totally manageable once you understand the basics. First thing - definitely get your sales tax permit from your state's department of revenue ASAP. Most states require this before you start operating. The application process varies but usually takes 1-2 weeks. For tracking sales, I invested in digital counters for my older machines (about $50 each) and they've been worth every penny. Makes record keeping so much easier than trying to estimate from cash collections. You'll need detailed records for your quarterly filings. One thing that caught me off guard was that some locations charge a separate business license fee for vending operations, even if you already have your state permits. Check with each city/county where your machines are located. I had to get additional permits for 3 of my 8 locations. The food vs. non-food taxation is definitely tricky and varies by state. In mine, candy and soda are fully taxable, but certain packaged foods have reduced rates. I ended up creating a spreadsheet mapping each product to its tax category to avoid confusion. Good luck with your business! The tax stuff seems overwhelming at first but becomes routine once you get your systems in place.

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Thanks for sharing your experience! This is really helpful. Quick question about those digital counters you mentioned - do they work with all types of vending machines or only certain brands? I have a mix of older Dixie Narco and Royal machines and wasn't sure if aftermarket counters would be compatible. Also, did you find any particular brand or model that worked better than others for tracking purposes?

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@Emma Thompson The digital counters I used are pretty universal - they work with most older machines including Dixie Narco and Royal. I went with the Coinco CT5 counters which run about $45-60 each. They connect to the coin mech and track both cash and product vends separately. Installation was straightforward on my Dixie Narcos, but I needed a slightly different mounting bracket for my one Royal machine the (supplier included it though .)The CT5s have been rock solid - no failures in 6 months of use and the data is easy to read. One tip: make sure to get counters that track product vends, not just coin drops. Some cheaper models only count money inserted but not actual sales, which doesn t'help much for tax purposes since people sometimes lose money in the machines or get refunds.

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Carmen Ruiz

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Great thread everyone! As someone who's been operating vending machines for about 3 years now, I wanted to add a few important points that might help newcomers avoid some common pitfalls. One thing I don't see mentioned yet is the importance of understanding nexus rules if you're planning to expand. Even within the same state, different counties or municipalities might have varying tax rates and requirements. I learned this when I placed machines in a neighboring county and discovered they had a 0.5% additional local sales tax that I wasn't collecting. Also, keep meticulous records of your machine locations and when you move them. I had a situation where I relocated a machine mid-quarter, and during my state audit, they wanted documentation showing exactly when the move happened to properly allocate the tax liability between jurisdictions. For anyone just starting out, consider joining your state's vending association if there is one. They often provide updated tax guidance specific to vending operations and can be invaluable for staying current on regulatory changes. The membership fee pays for itself quickly when you consider the cost of making tax compliance mistakes. And definitely budget for quarterly tax payments from day one - don't wait until year-end to deal with this. Set aside about 8-12% of your gross sales (depending on your state's rates) in a separate account so you're never scrambling to cover your tax liability when returns are due.

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Paolo Rizzo

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This is incredibly helpful advice, especially about the nexus rules! I'm just getting started with my first 3 machines and hadn't even thought about different tax rates within the same state. That neighboring county situation you described sounds like exactly the kind of mistake I would make. The tip about setting aside 8-12% of gross sales is brilliant - I was planning to just deal with taxes at the end of each quarter but having that money already separated makes so much more sense. Quick question: do you use a separate business account for this or just track it in your regular accounting? And have you found that 8-12% range holds true even for states with lower sales tax rates, or should I research my specific state's requirements more carefully? Also really appreciate the suggestion about joining the state vending association. I had no idea those even existed but it sounds like they could save me from a lot of trial and error learning!

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