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is it weird that my accountant just puts a plug number on line 5 to make line 8 match schedule k line 18? he says "everyone does it that way" but it seems kinda sketchy to me...
oh crap, seriously? he's been doing this for 3 years on my returns. should i be worried about getting audited? now im freaking out.
I'd definitely be concerned about this practice. While it might not automatically trigger an audit, if the IRS does examine your return, they'll expect to see legitimate book-to-tax differences supporting each line of Schedule M-1. You might want to request copies of your prior returns and ask your accountant to provide detailed workpapers showing exactly what items make up those "plug" amounts. If he can't provide specific documentation, consider having another CPA review your filings. The IRS has been increasing S-corp audit activity, and Schedule M-1 reconciliations are often scrutinized. At minimum, going forward, make sure every adjustment on Schedule M-1 is properly documented and represents actual identifiable differences between your book and tax treatment.
I've been doing S-corp returns for small businesses for over 15 years, and Schedule M-1 reconciliation is definitely one of the most confusing areas for new filers. Here's my step-by-step approach that might help: 1. Start with your book income (line 1) 2. Add back any federal income tax expense you recorded on books (line 2) - S-corps don't pay entity-level tax 3. Add excess capital losses and charitable contributions that exceeded limits (line 3) 4. This gives you line 4 - your adjusted book income Then for deductions not on books: 5. Add non-deductible expenses like 50% of meals, penalties, etc. (line 5) 6. Add income that's on your tax return but not your books (line 6) 7. Add other deductions on return not on books (line 7) Finally: Line 4 minus line 7 should exactly equal Schedule K line 18. If they don't match, work backwards - there's always a specific reason. Don't ever use "plug" numbers to force a balance. Each adjustment should be traceable to actual transactions or differences in how items are treated for book vs. tax purposes. The key is being methodical and documenting every adjustment you make.
This is incredibly helpful, thank you! As someone who's been struggling with their first S-corp filing, having a clear step-by-step process makes this so much less intimidating. I'm going to work through each line methodically like you suggested. One quick question - when you mention "excess capital losses" on line 3, are you referring to capital losses that exceed the $3,000 annual limit? And for charitable contributions, is that when they exceed the 10% of taxable income limitation? I want to make sure I'm identifying these correctly. Also, your point about never using plug numbers really resonates after reading about @Dmitry Kuznetsov s'situation above. It s'scary to think some preparers take shortcuts like that when accuracy is so important.
Don't overthink this. I had the same issue with Voyager when they went under. I just reported my loss based on my own records (I had screenshots of my purchases thankfully) and included a brief statement explaining the situation. Filed last year, got my refund, no questions asked. The reality is, the IRS is so backed up and understaffed that they're not going to audit every crypto trader claiming losses from bankrupt exchanges. They're looking for people hiding huge gains, not documenting losses. Just make sure your records pass the "reasonable" test - meaning if someone looked at them, would they seem like legitimate documentation of what you paid? As long as you're not claiming some crazy cost basis that makes no sense with market prices at the time, you'll probably be fine.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I do have screenshots and bank transfers showing the money going to the old exchange. My biggest worry was that my records wouldn't be "official" enough since they're not from the exchange itself. Sounds like personal records can work as long as they're reasonable and consistent with market prices at the time?
Exactly! Your personal records are completely valid as long as they're reasonable. The key things IRS looks for if they question it are: 1) Do the purchase dates match up with when you actually had access to those funds? 2) Do the prices align roughly with market prices on those dates? 3) Is there a paper trail showing money actually moving to exchanges? Since you have screenshots and bank transfers, you've got solid evidence. In my case, I created a simple spreadsheet showing each transaction, the date, price paid, and quantity, then attached copies of my screenshots and bank statements. I also included a brief explanation about Voyager's bankruptcy. The whole process was much less stressful than I expected. Just be honest, document everything, and you'll be fine.
This is exactly the situation I was dreading when I heard about all these exchange collapses. I've been putting off dealing with my crypto taxes because I wasn't sure how to handle the missing records from a smaller exchange that went under. Reading through everyone's experiences here is really helpful. It sounds like the consensus is that personal records are acceptable as long as they're reasonable and well-documented. I have most of my bank statements and some screenshots, but I'm missing a few transaction details. One question - has anyone dealt with the IRS asking for additional documentation after filing? Like, do they ever come back months later asking for more proof of your cost basis, or is it usually just accepted if it seems reasonable? I'm trying to decide whether to spend more time trying to reconstruct missing records or just go with what I have. Also, for those who used services like taxr.ai or got through to IRS specialists - did you do that before filing your taxes, or after you were already selected for audit? Trying to figure out if it's worth the cost upfront or if I should wait to see if there are any issues.
Has anyone used TurboTax for this? Do they handle HSA excess contributions properly? I'm in a similar situation with about $45 in excess contributions.
I used TurboTax last year for a similar issue. It does handle Form 8889 and Form 5329, but the interview process wasn't very clear for excess HSA contributions. I actually had to manually override some entries to get it right. If your situation is straightforward, it should work, but for anything complex, I found their guidance lacking.
I went through something very similar last year with multiple HSA accounts due to employer changes. For your $16 excess, you're absolutely making the right call to just pay the 6% tax - it's only going to cost you about $0.96. One thing to keep in mind: if you don't correct the excess contribution, you'll technically owe that 6% tax each year until the excess is removed. However, given how small the amount is, even paying it for several years would cost less than the time and hassle of trying to coordinate distributions from closed HSA accounts. For future reference, if you ever have a larger excess contribution, you can also "absorb" it by contributing less than your annual limit in a subsequent year. The excess essentially gets offset against your unused contribution room. But again, for $16, just paying the tax is definitely the path of least resistance. Make sure to keep good records of this excess contribution and the tax payments in case the IRS ever asks about it down the road.
This is really helpful advice! I'm dealing with a similar situation but with a $28 excess contribution from when I changed jobs mid-year. The "absorbing" it in future years by under-contributing is something I hadn't heard of before - that sounds much simpler than trying to get distributions from my old HSA provider. Just to make sure I understand correctly - if my annual HSA limit next year is $4,300 and I only contribute $4,272, that would effectively "use up" my $28 excess from this year? And I wouldn't owe the 6% tax going forward? Also, do you know if there's any special reporting required when you offset an excess this way, or does it just naturally work out on Form 8889?
I went through a very similar situation with a life insurance payout from Ireland about 6 months ago. The W-8BEN form was confusing at first, but here's what I learned: For your situation, you'll mainly need to complete Part I (personal information) and Part II (claim of tax treaty benefits). On line 9, you'll want to claim the benefit under Article 17 of the US-UK tax treaty, which covers life insurance proceeds. Write something like "Article 17 - Life insurance proceeds exempt from withholding tax." One thing that caught me off guard was that even though the payout isn't taxable income in the US, you still need to report it on Form 3520 if the total foreign gifts/inheritances you receive in a year exceed $100,000. Your $67,000 payout alone won't trigger this requirement, but keep it in mind if you receive other foreign inheritances. The insurance company should process your payment without UK tax withholding once they receive the properly completed W-8BEN. Mine took about 2 weeks to process after submission. Best of luck with everything, and sorry for your loss.
This is extremely helpful information about the Article 17 reference for the treaty benefits section! I've been staring at that blank line 9 for days not knowing what to write. The specific language you suggested makes perfect sense for a life insurance situation. I didn't know about Form 3520 either - that's good to keep in mind for the future. At $67k I'm under the threshold, but it's reassuring to know about these requirements ahead of time. Two weeks for processing sounds reasonable given everything I've been through so far. Thank you so much for sharing your experience, and I'm sorry for your loss as well. It's comforting to know others have navigated this successfully.
I'm dealing with a similar situation right now - my grandmother passed away in Canada and left me as beneficiary on her life insurance policy. The Canadian insurance company sent me a W-8BEN form and I was completely overwhelmed by all the treaty language. Reading through everyone's responses here has been incredibly helpful, especially the specific guidance about citing Article 17 for the US-UK treaty benefits. I need to look up what the equivalent article would be for the US-Canada tax treaty. One question I have - did anyone need to provide additional documentation beyond the W-8BEN? The insurance company mentioned they might need proof of my US citizenship, but I'm not sure if that means a passport copy or if there are other acceptable documents. Also, has anyone dealt with currency exchange considerations? My payout will be in Canadian dollars and I'm wondering if there are any reporting requirements related to the exchange rate on the date of payment versus when I actually convert it to USD. Thanks to everyone who has shared their experiences - it's making this difficult process much more manageable during an already tough time.
Nia Jackson
For finding CPAs who specialize in partnership taxation, I'd recommend starting with the AICPA (American Institute of CPAs) directory - you can search by specialization and location. Look for CPAs who specifically list "partnership taxation" or "multi-state tax compliance" as specialties. Another great resource is asking other partners at your firm for referrals. Since you mentioned talking to a senior partner, they might be able to recommend someone they've worked with successfully. Many partnerships end up using the same few accounting firms because they understand the specific industry and partnership structure. When you do consult with a CPA, come prepared with your K1, any partnership statements about composite filings, and a list of all states where your partnership operates. A good partnership tax specialist should be able to quickly identify which states require separate filings and which are covered by composite returns. They should also be familiar with common partnership deductions and credits you might be missing. The consultation approach really worked well for me - I got expert guidance on the tricky parts but still saved money by handling the routine federal filing myself. Plus, you'll learn enough from that first consultation to feel more confident in future years.
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Evan Kalinowski
ā¢This is excellent advice! I'm definitely going to try the AICPA directory search. One question - when you had your consultation, did the CPA provide any written summary of their recommendations? I'm thinking it would be helpful to have something in writing to reference when I'm actually doing the filing, especially about which states require separate returns versus composite filings. Also, did they charge separately for the consultation versus if you ended up having them prepare the full return?
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Paolo Rizzo
ā¢Yes, the CPA I worked with provided a detailed written summary - it was actually really helpful to have during filing season! The summary included which states required separate filings, which were covered by composite returns, specific form numbers I'd need, and even deadlines that differed from federal deadlines. Most CPAs charge separately for consultations versus full preparation. Mine charged $300 for the initial consultation (about 90 minutes) and said if I decided to have them prepare everything, they'd credit $150 of that toward the full service fee. The consultation fee was definitely worth it - that written roadmap saved me hours of research and gave me confidence I wasn't missing anything important. One tip: ask specifically about estimated tax payments during your consultation. With partnership income, you might need to adjust your quarterly payments, and some states have different requirements for estimated taxes on partnership income. This was something I completely overlooked until the CPA mentioned it.
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Mei-Ling Chen
I went through something very similar when I became a partner in a multi-state firm last year. The key insight that saved me a lot of stress was understanding that "filing requirements" and "actual filing needed" are two different things when you have composite filings. One thing I'd add to the great advice already given - make sure you understand the timing differences between states. Some states have different deadlines than the federal April 15th deadline, and a few require estimated payments on different schedules. This caught me off guard my first year. Also, regarding the Canadian portion - if your partnership has filed a T5013 partnership return in Canada and handled the Canadian tax obligations, you typically just need to report your share of the Canadian-source income on your US return. The US-Canada tax treaty generally prevents double taxation, but you want to make sure you're claiming the foreign tax credit properly if any Canadian taxes were paid on your behalf. The hybrid approach others mentioned really is the sweet spot for the first year. Get professional guidance on the multi-state complexities, but handle the straightforward federal portion yourself. Once you understand your specific situation, it becomes much more manageable in subsequent years.
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