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Has anyone considered the state tax implications of MFS vs MFJ? Some states have different rules than federal. My wife and I found that while federal was slightly better filing jointly, our state taxes were significantly better filing separately because of how our state handles itemized deductions.
This is such an important point! We're in Illinois and while federal was clearly better filing jointly, our state calculation was completely different. We ended up filing jointly for federal but separately for state (which our state allows). Saved us about $900 total.
You're absolutely right about checking state rules. Each state has its own approach to married filing separately vs jointly. Some states require you to use the same filing status as your federal return, while others allow you to choose a different status for state taxes. For example, in states like New York and California, the tax brackets for MFS aren't exactly half of MFJ brackets, which can create opportunities for tax savings in certain income scenarios. Your state might also have unique deductions or credits that aren't affected by filing status the same way federal benefits are.
Something nobody's mentioned yet - you should consider future tax planning too. If you think your income might change significantly next year (like one person taking time off work or getting a big promotion), that could affect which filing status makes sense this year due to things like AMT planning and tax loss harvesting across years.
This is a great question and I'm glad to see so many helpful responses already! I went through this exact scenario with my rental property business last year and learned a lot through trial and error. One thing I'd add to the excellent advice already given - make sure you're paying your kids a truly reasonable wage for the work they're doing. The IRS scrutinizes family employment situations closely, so paying your 15-year-old $50/hour for basic cleaning would definitely raise red flags. I researched what other teens in my area were earning for similar work and kept my kids' pay within that range. Also, consider having them open their own business checking accounts to deposit their paychecks. It creates a cleaner paper trail and helps teach them financial responsibility. My kids love watching their Roth IRA balances grow - it's been a great way to get them interested in investing and long-term financial planning. The documentation is key though. I keep detailed logs of not just hours worked, but specific tasks completed, materials used, and even photos of the work being done. Better to over-document than under-document when it comes to family employment!
This is really helpful advice! I'm just starting to think about this for my own situation. Quick question - when you mention having them open business checking accounts, do you mean separate accounts just for their work income? Or are you talking about them literally setting up their own small businesses? I want to make sure I understand the best way to structure this from a documentation standpoint. Also, how do you handle the tax withholdings? Do you actually withhold income tax from their paychecks or just let them handle it at year-end since they're probably not earning enough to owe much anyway?
Great question about the checking accounts! I meant separate personal checking accounts just for their work income - not business accounts. This helps keep their employment earnings separate from any allowance or gift money, which makes tax filing cleaner and creates a clear audit trail. For tax withholdings, I actually do withhold a small amount for federal income tax even though they likely won't owe anything. This way they get the experience of receiving a tax refund when they file their returns, which is a good learning opportunity. Plus it ensures we're following proper payroll procedures. Since they're typically in the 0% or 10% bracket, the withholdings are minimal anyway. The key is treating them like any other employee from a paperwork standpoint - W-4 forms, regular pay periods, proper withholdings, and W-2s at year end. It might seem like overkill for family members, but it's exactly what the IRS expects to see if they ever audit the situation.
This is such a smart financial strategy! I wish my parents had thought to do this when I was younger. One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure you understand the kiddie tax rules if your children have other investment income. While earned income from working in your business is generally taxed at their own rates (likely 0% or very low), if they have significant unearned income from other sources (like dividends, interest, or capital gains over $2,650 in 2025), it could be taxed at your marginal rate instead of theirs. This usually isn't an issue for most families, but it's worth being aware of as their investment accounts grow over time. The Roth IRA strategy is fantastic though - starting retirement savings at 15-17 gives them such a huge head start with compound growth. Even if they never contribute another dollar after age 18, those early contributions will be worth a fortune by retirement. You're setting them up for financial success in a big way!
This is exactly the kind of long-term thinking that makes such a difference! I'm actually just getting started with real estate investing myself and this whole thread has been incredibly eye-opening. The kiddie tax point you raised is something I hadn't considered at all - definitely good to know as these accounts grow over time. I'm curious though - for someone just starting out like me, what would you recommend as the minimum amount to pay kids to make the Roth IRA contributions worthwhile? Obviously it needs to be reasonable for the work they're doing, but I'm wondering if there's a sweet spot where the tax benefits and retirement savings really start to make sense versus just giving them the money as an allowance or gift. Also, has anyone had experience with this strategy when the kids are already earning income from other part-time jobs? I'm wondering if there are any complications when they have multiple income sources.
I went through this exact same struggle last year with my J-1 visa from Canada! The language barrier definitely makes these forms even more confusing than they already are. One thing that really helped me was finding the actual treaty text between the US and Spain on the IRS website. Search for "United States Spain Income Tax Treaty" and look for the PDF. Article 20 is usually the one that covers students and trainees - it should give you the exact language you can reference in your Form 8833. Also, don't feel bad about calling the IRS multiple times if you need to. I called three different times and got three different answers, but the third agent was really knowledgeable about international treaties and walked me through everything step by step. For what it's worth, I found that keeping my answers in the boxes simple and straightforward worked better than trying to be too detailed. The IRS just wants to understand your situation clearly. Β‘Buena suerte! You've got this - it's definitely intimidating but once you get through it the first time, next year will be much easier.
Thanks for mentioning Article 20! I actually found the US-Spain treaty PDF and you're absolutely right - Article 20 is exactly what I needed. It's so much clearer when you can see the actual treaty language instead of trying to guess what applies to your situation. I'm definitely going to try calling the IRS again. Maybe I'll get lucky and reach someone who actually knows about international tax treaties this time. Your point about keeping the answers simple is really helpful too - I was overthinking it and trying to write paragraphs when they probably just want the basic facts. Β‘MuchΓsimas gracias! It's so reassuring to hear from someone who went through the same thing and made it through successfully.
I completely understand your frustration with Form 8833 - I went through the same struggle when I was on my J-1 visa from the Netherlands a couple years ago. The language barrier definitely makes these already complex forms even more challenging. Here's what worked for me: Start by finding your specific treaty article on the IRS website. For Spain, you'll want to look up the US-Spain Income Tax Treaty and find Article 20, which typically covers students and trainees. This will give you the exact language to reference in your form. A few practical tips that helped me: - Keep your explanations in each box concise and factual rather than overly detailed - For Box 4, only include income that's specifically exempt under the treaty (like stipends or scholarships related to your J-1 program) - Don't be afraid to call the IRS international tax line multiple times - I found some agents much more knowledgeable than others One thing I wish I'd known earlier: if you're receiving any payments from Spanish institutions or organizations as part of your J-1 program, those are typically the amounts you'd claim exemption for, not any side income from US sources. The first year is definitely the hardest, but once you get through it and understand the process, subsequent years become much more manageable. Β‘Γnimo!
Real talk - once you see code 150, look for cycle code next to it. That can tell you what day of the week updates happen for your account. Major π to watching your transcript!
Code 150 is definitely one of the most important ones to understand! It's basically the IRS's way of saying "we've processed your return and here's what we calculated." The date next to it shows when they finished processing, and the amount shows your total tax liability. From there you can track if you have credits, payments, or refunds coming by looking at the other transaction codes that follow. It's like the foundation that everything else builds on!
This is super helpful! I'm new to all this tax stuff too and was wondering - after code 150, how long does it usually take to see other codes show up? Like if I'm expecting a refund, should I be checking daily or is there a pattern to when things update?
Jamal Carter
I just went through this exact same situation last month! Filed my taxes with an incorrect home office calculation and realized it about 10 days later. I was also torn between the simplified method vs. actual expense method. Here's what I learned: definitely amend if the difference is significant (sounds like yours would be). The IRS processing time for amendments is currently running about 16-20 weeks, but the extra refund was worth the wait for me. I ended up getting back an additional $780. One thing to keep in mind - when you file next year with the correct square footage, just make sure you have good documentation (photos, measurements, etc.) in case they do ask questions. But honestly, they're more concerned with people overclaiming deductions than underclaiming them. The Form 1040-X isn't too complicated if you use tax software to generate it. Just make sure to clearly explain in Part III what you're changing and why. I wrote something like "Correcting home office deduction calculation - using proper square footage and simplified method per IRS guidelines." Good luck with your amendment!
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Connor Gallagher
β’This is really helpful, thank you! The 16-20 week processing time is longer than I expected but if you got $780 back that definitely seems worth it. I like your explanation for Part III - simple and straightforward. Did you have any issues with the IRS questioning the change or did it go through smoothly once processed?
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Layla Mendes
Based on the details you've provided, I'd definitely recommend filing the amendment. A $2,440 additional deduction could result in significant tax savings - potentially $300-600+ depending on your tax bracket. Since you're already showing a business loss, the additional deduction would reduce your taxable W2 income, likely resulting in a meaningful refund increase. Don't worry about the IRS flagging the square footage increase next year. Business spaces genuinely change, and as long as you have proper documentation (measurements, photos), you'll be fine. The IRS is much more concerned with overclaimed deductions than underclaimed ones. For the amendment process, I'd recommend using the same tax software you used originally to generate the 1040-X - it'll be much easier than doing it manually. Make sure to clearly explain the changes in Part III of the form. Something like "Correcting home office deduction: updated square footage from 108 to 122 sq ft and changed from actual expense method to simplified method per IRS Publication 587." Keep good records of your current office setup with photos and measurements. The simplified method at $5 per square foot is often the better choice for smaller spaces, so you made the right calculation switch. Yes, it's annoying to catch this after filing, but at least you caught it early enough to amend easily. The processing time is long (4-5 months typically), but the extra money is usually worth the wait.
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