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Has anyone dealt with leaving a company but negotiating an extension on the exercise period? Most standard option agreements only give you 90 days after leaving to exercise, but I've heard some companies are flexible on this, especially when options are underwater.
I successfully negotiated a 2-year extension at my last company. Approach your HR or finance team and make the case that the 90-day window is punitive when options are underwater. Many companies are becoming more flexible about this since it's a retention tool that costs them nothing when the stock is below strike price.
One additional consideration that might help with your decision - if you're planning to leave the company anyway, you could potentially negotiate with your employer to extend the exercise window beyond the typical 90-day post-employment period. This would give you more time to see how the company performs with that Q3 product launch you mentioned. Also, make sure you understand exactly what type of options you have (ISO vs NSO) as this affects the tax treatment. With ISOs, you generally have better tax advantages if you hold the stock for at least one year after exercise and two years after grant date to qualify for long-term capital gains treatment. Given that you're essentially guaranteed a loss if you exercise now, it might be worth having a conversation with your company about either repricing the options to current FMV or extending your exercise window. Many companies are becoming more flexible about this, especially in situations like yours where the employee would be financially penalized through no fault of their own.
This is really helpful advice! I hadn't thought about negotiating an extension on the exercise period. Given that I'm leaving next month and the options are underwater, it seems like a win-win - the company doesn't lose anything by extending since the options are worthless right now, and I get more time to see if that Q3 product launch actually turns things around. Do you have any tips on how to approach this conversation with HR? Should I frame it as a retention tool even though I'm already leaving, or focus more on the fact that the current situation puts me at a financial disadvantage through no fault of my own? Also, you mentioned ISO vs NSO treatment - mine are ISOs, so I'd need to hold for a year after exercise to get the better tax treatment. An extension would definitely help with that timing if I do decide to exercise.
Small thing to add - if you're using the standard mileage rate and deducting tolls separately, make sure you're only deducting the business portion of those tolls. If you use your car 70% for business and 30% personal, you can only deduct 70% of the tolls.
What's the best way to calculate that percentage? Do I need to track total miles for the year and then figure out how many were business miles?
Yes, that's exactly right! You'll want to keep a mileage log throughout the year tracking your total miles driven and which trips were for business purposes. At the end of the year, divide your business miles by total miles to get your business use percentage. For example, if you drove 20,000 total miles and 14,000 were for business, that's 70% business use. Then you'd only deduct 70% of your toll expenses as business deductions. The IRS expects contemporaneous records, so it's much better to track this as you go rather than trying to recreate it at tax time. A simple smartphone app or even a notebook in your car works great for logging business trips and their purposes.
Great question! I went through this exact same situation last year with my freelance work. The good news is that toll expenses are definitely deductible separately from the standard mileage rate - they're specifically excluded from what the standard rate covers. Just a heads up though - make sure you're only deducting the business portion of those tolls. If you use your car for both business and personal driving, you'll need to calculate the percentage that's business use and only deduct that portion of your toll expenses. Also keep in mind that if you're an employee rather than self-employed, unreimbursed business expenses like this are generally not deductible under current tax law (suspended through 2025), unless you fall into certain categories like qualified performing artists or military reservists. Those EZ Tag receipts will be perfect documentation - just make sure to keep a detailed log of which trips were business-related so you can match them up with the toll charges. Good luck with your taxes!
This is really helpful! I'm just starting out with freelance consulting and had no idea about the business percentage calculation. So if I'm understanding correctly, I need to track ALL my driving throughout the year, not just business trips? That seems like a lot of record keeping. Is there a simpler way to estimate this, or does the IRS really expect exact mileage logs for everything?
Has anyone here actually had the IRS come after them for selling a personal car? I've sold like 5 cars over the years and never reported any of it on my taxes. Should I be worried about past sales?
If you sold them all at a loss (like most personal cars), there's nothing to report anyway. The IRS is mainly concerned with gains, not losses on personal items. And they have bigger fish to fry than tracking down every personal vehicle sale. Unless you're flipping cars as a side business or selling exotic vehicles for large profits, it's extremely unlikely they'd ever question it.
This is a great question that trips up a lot of people! The key thing to understand is that when you receive a gift, you inherit the donor's "basis" (what they originally paid) for tax purposes. Since your car was originally purchased for $38k and you sold it for $15,800, you actually had a capital loss of about $22,200. However, the IRS has asymmetrical rules for personal-use property like cars - while capital gains would be taxable, capital losses aren't deductible. So you don't owe any capital gains tax (since you had a loss, not a gain), but you also can't use that loss to reduce other taxes. The good news is this is actually the most common scenario with personal vehicles since they typically depreciate over time. Just keep your documentation (bill of sale, any gift paperwork) in case you ever need to show the IRS how you calculated your basis, though it's unlikely to come up since there's no tax owed.
This is really helpful! I've been wondering about this exact situation since I'm planning to sell a motorcycle my uncle gave me a few years ago. The documentation part is something I hadn't thought about - do you know what specific paperwork the IRS would want to see if they ever questioned the basis? I have the original title transfer showing it was a gift, but I'm not sure if I have records of what my uncle originally paid for it.
One thing people overlook in this discussion - if one of you has significant medical expenses (over 7.5% of your AGI), filing separately COULD be beneficial. My husband has ongoing medical issues, and his expenses easily exceed that threshold on his income alone. But when combined with my income, we couldn't deduct as much. We saved about $1,800 filing separately last year despite losing some credits. Just another angle to consider based on your specific situation. Tax software often misses these nuances.
Adding to the great advice already shared - as someone who's worked in tax preparation for over 15 years, I can confirm that for your specific situation (significant income disparity, three kids, homeownership), filing jointly is almost certainly your best bet. The key thing people don't realize is that when you have unequal incomes, the lower-earning spouse essentially "fills up" the lower tax brackets first, creating substantial savings. With your $120k/$40k split, you're getting maximum benefit from this effect. A few quick calculations based on your numbers: filing jointly, you'd likely qualify for the full $6,000 in child tax credits ($2,000 per child), plus potential additional child tax credit refunds. Filing separately, the higher-earning spouse would lose most or all of these benefits due to income phase-outs, while the lower-earning spouse couldn't claim all three children. My recommendation: run the numbers both ways using tax software, but I'd be genuinely surprised if separate filing saves you money. The math just doesn't work out in favor of separate filing for families with kids and significant income gaps like yours.
This is really helpful insight from someone with actual tax prep experience! Quick question - when you mention the lower-earning spouse "filling up" the lower tax brackets first, does that mean the $40k income gets taxed at the lowest rates and then the $120k income gets taxed at progressively higher rates? I've never really understood how that works mechanically when you file jointly. Also, is there a rule of thumb for how big the income disparity needs to be before filing jointly becomes clearly advantageous? Like if both spouses made $80k each, would joint vs separate filing make much difference?
Paolo Bianchi
I can definitely relate to your anxiety about this! I was in almost the exact same situation two years ago - owed about $3,800 through TurboTax and was constantly checking my bank account waiting for the withdrawal. The anticipation is honestly the worst part when you're not used to owing taxes. Based on my experience and what I've learned since then, TurboTax automatic payments typically take 3-5 business days from your scheduled date to actually process. Since you scheduled for April 10th, you should see the withdrawal sometime between now and early next week. The most important thing to remember is that the IRS considers your payment made on April 10th (when you scheduled it), not when the money actually leaves your account, so you're completely protected from any late penalties. A few things that helped me get through the waiting period: - Keep a buffer in your account until you see the withdrawal (don't move money around yet) - Save screenshots of your TurboTax payment confirmation for your records - Try to check your account only once a day instead of multiple times (I know it's hard!) - Remember that TurboTax batches payments which adds 1-2 extra days compared to paying directly through IRS.gov You did everything correctly by scheduling before the deadline, so try not to stress too much. The IRS processing system is just naturally slow, especially during peak tax season. You're going to be fine!
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Ethan Wilson
ā¢This is such a helpful and thorough response! I'm actually going through this exact situation right now - filed through TurboTax and owe about $2,900, scheduled my payment for April 12th. It's now been 2 days and I'm definitely falling into that obsessive account-checking pattern you mentioned. Your point about TurboTax batching payments adding extra time compared to paying directly through IRS.gov is really good to know. I had no idea that could add 1-2 extra days to the processing time. That explains why some people seem to get their payments processed faster when they pay directly through the IRS website. I'm definitely going to follow your advice about limiting myself to checking once a day instead of every few hours. The anxiety is real when you're not used to owing money! Thanks for sharing your experience and all the practical tips - it's really reassuring to know that so many people have been through this same situation and everything worked out fine.
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William Schwarz
I totally understand your anxiety! I went through something very similar last year when I owed about $2,650 through TurboTax - also my first time owing instead of getting a refund. The constant bank account checking is so real! From my experience, TurboTax automatic payments typically take 3-5 business days from your scheduled date. Since you scheduled for April 10th, you should see the withdrawal by early next week at the latest. The key thing that gave me peace of mind was understanding that the IRS considers your payment made on April 10th (when you scheduled it), not when the money actually comes out of your account. A few tips that helped me through the waiting: - Keep plenty of buffer money in your account until you see the withdrawal - Save screenshots of your TurboTax payment confirmation - Try to limit checking your account to once per day (I was checking like 20 times a day and driving myself crazy!) - Remember that TurboTax batches payments which can add an extra day or two compared to paying directly through IRS.gov You did everything right by scheduling before the deadline, so try not to stress too much. The waiting is definitely the hardest part, but you're covered! The IRS processing system is just slow, especially during tax season.
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Luca Esposito
ā¢This is so helpful to read! I'm literally in the exact same boat - first time owing taxes and I filed through TurboTax owing about $3,200. I scheduled my payment for April 11th and have been checking my bank account obsessively ever since. It's such a relief to know that this anxiety is totally normal and that 3-5 business days is the standard timeframe. Your tip about limiting account checking to once a day is something I really need to follow - I think I've checked mine at least 15 times today alone! It's definitely making the anxiety worse. I had no idea that TurboTax batches payments which explains why it takes longer than paying directly through the IRS website. I'm going to take your advice and save screenshots of my confirmation page right now, and try to be more patient about the timing. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's so reassuring to know that other first-time tax-owers went through this exact same stress and everything worked out fine!
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