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I went through this exact same confusion last year! After getting my 5071C letter, I completed the ID.me verification online and was paranoid about whether I needed to call back. I ended up calling the IRS just to be safe, and after waiting on hold for 2+ hours, the agent told me the online verification was already complete and I didn't need to do anything else. She actually seemed a bit annoyed that I called unnecessarily. My refund was processed 11 days later. Save yourself the headache - if you successfully completed the online verification and got the confirmation screen, you're done. The system really does work automatically once you verify through the letter.
This is exactly the reassurance I needed! I'm in the same boat right now - completed my online verification yesterday and keep second-guessing whether I should call. Your experience of the agent being annoyed about the unnecessary call really drives home the point that the online process is sufficient. I'll resist the urge to call and just wait it out. Thanks for sharing this - it's saving me hours of hold time!
I just went through this process 3 weeks ago and can confirm - you do NOT need to call back after completing online verification! I was in the exact same situation as you. Got the 5071C letter, completed the ID.me verification online, and spent days worrying if I needed to take additional steps. My refund showed up exactly 10 days later without any further action on my part. The confusion your friend experienced might be because some people receive different types of verification letters or have issues during the online process that require follow-up. But if your online verification went smoothly and you received a confirmation, you're all set. The IRS systems are actually pretty good at updating automatically once you complete the required verification steps. Don't overthink it - follow exactly what your letter says and nothing more. The online verification through the letter is designed to be a complete solution, not just the first step in a longer process.
Question - if a trust has zero income for the year, do you still need to file a 1041? Our family trust just holds some property but didn't generate any income last year.
Generally no. If the trust has no income and no taxable activity for the year, you typically don't need to file a 1041. However, it's sometimes good practice to file a "zero return" just to keep the filing history current and avoid questions later about "missing" years.
Great question! I went through this exact situation last year. As others have mentioned, you don't need the grantors to file personal 1040s just for your trust filing purposes. However, I'd recommend getting a clear understanding of whether your trust is actually a "grantor trust" or not - this makes a huge difference. If it's a standard irrevocable trust (not a grantor trust), then the trust files its own 1041 and issues K-1s to beneficiaries for any distributions. The grantors' personal income levels are irrelevant to the trust's filing requirements. One thing to watch out for: even if the grantors don't normally need to file because of low income, if they receive distributions from the trust that push them above the filing threshold, they'll need to file to report the K-1 income. But that's their responsibility, not yours as trustee. Make sure you have the trust's EIN and keep good records of all trust income and distributions. The 1041 filing requirements are based on the trust having $600+ in gross income OR any taxable income, regardless of the grantors' situation.
This is really helpful, thank you! I'm still learning the ropes here. One follow-up question - you mentioned keeping good records of trust income and distributions. What specific documentation should I be maintaining as trustee? I want to make sure I'm not missing anything important for future filings or if there's ever an audit. Also, when you say the trust needs its own EIN - is that something I should have gotten when the trust was first established, or do I need to apply for one now that I'm handling the tax filings?
something ppl overlook - make sure ur nephew isn't counting on claiming educational tax credits himself!! if u pay tuition directly to school as a gift, he cant claim the lifetime learning credit or tuition deduction on that amount even if he meets income requirements. had this happen in my family and my cousin lost out on like $2000 tax credit bc grandpa paid tuition directly to school.
Wow, that's an important point I hadn't considered! So would it sometimes be better to just give the money directly to the student (using the annual gift exclusion) and let them pay the tuition themselves so they can claim education credits?
That's exactly the trade-off you need to consider! If your nephew's income is low enough to qualify for education credits, it might actually be more beneficial overall to give him the money directly (within the $17,000 annual exclusion limit) and let him pay the tuition himself. The Lifetime Learning Credit can be worth up to $2,000 per year, and the American Opportunity Tax Credit (if he qualifies) can be worth up to $2,500 per year. So you'd need to do the math - is the benefit of unlimited gift tax exclusion worth more than the potential tax credits he'd lose? For smaller tuition amounts (under $17k), definitely consider the direct gift approach. For larger amounts like the $35k mentioned in the original post, you might need a hybrid approach - pay some directly to school and gift some directly to the student.
Great question! I went through this exact situation when helping my daughter with her master's program. The educational expense exclusion under IRC Section 2503(e) absolutely applies to graduate school tuition - there's no distinction between undergraduate and graduate levels. However, I'd strongly recommend considering the tax credit implications that others have mentioned. For your nephew's MBA, you might want to explore a hybrid approach: pay a portion directly to the school (to take advantage of the unlimited exclusion) and gift him some funds directly (within the $17,000 annual limit) so he can potentially claim education credits. Also, make sure to keep detailed records of any direct payments to the institution. I always request a receipt showing the payment was made directly for tuition on behalf of the student - this documentation has been helpful for my own tax records. The $35,000 you mentioned is substantial, so definitely worth running the numbers on which approach maximizes the overall tax benefit for your family!
This is really helpful advice! I'm new to navigating gift taxes and hadn't thought about the hybrid approach. When you say "run the numbers," do you have a specific calculation method you'd recommend? For example, with the $35,000 tuition - would you typically compare the value of education credits the student could claim versus any potential gift tax implications of different payment strategies? I want to make sure I'm optimizing this for both of us. Also, when you mention keeping detailed records of direct payments - do you have any specific documentation requirements beyond just the receipt from the school?
Just checked my account too and wow, what a difference! The site is actually working properly for the first time in forever. I'm seeing the same $0.00 balance across all years that everyone else is reporting. What's really encouraging is how responsive the system is now - no more timeout errors or that spinning wheel of death we've all been dealing with. The fact that we're ALL seeing identical results after this maintenance period definitely feels like more than just coincidence. I know we shouldn't read too much into it, but between the major system improvements and everyone having the same $0.00 balance experience, it really does seem like they might be actively processing returns behind the scenes. That disclaimer about "recently filed or processing returns" not being reflected yet is starting to make a lot more sense now. Fingers crossed this means we're finally going to see some real movement on our refunds! At minimum, it's just nice to be able to log in without wanting to throw my computer out the window š
Totally agree! I'm a newcomer here but just had to jump in because I'm experiencing the exact same thing. Just logged into my IRS account for the first time in weeks without getting those horrible error messages, and yep - $0.00 balance across all my tax years too. The site is running like a completely different system now, super fast and responsive. Reading through all these comments, it's wild that literally everyone is seeing identical results after this maintenance. As someone new to tracking all this, I'm cautiously optimistic this means they're actually making progress on processing. The timing and universal experience definitely doesn't feel like random maintenance! š¤
As a newcomer to this community, I just wanted to add that I'm experiencing the exact same thing! Just logged into my IRS account about an hour ago and was shocked to see it actually working properly - no error messages or endless loading screens like I've been dealing with for the past few weeks. My account balance page is showing $0.00 across all tax years (2022-2024) just like everyone else is reporting. What really caught my attention reading through these comments is that literally EVERYONE is having the identical experience after this maintenance period. That can't be a coincidence, right? The system performance improvement is honestly night and day. Usually I'd get frustrated and give up after multiple timeout errors, but today everything loaded instantly. Combined with that disclaimer about recently processed returns not being reflected yet, I'm starting to think they might actually be working through our returns in the background. I know we shouldn't get our hopes up too much given past disappointments, but the timing of system maintenance + universal $0.00 balances + major performance improvements really does feel like they're making actual progress. At minimum, it's just nice to be able to check my account without wanting to scream at my computer! Anyone else feel like this might finally be the breakthrough we've been waiting for? š¤
Chloe Anderson
Has anyone used TurboTax for reporting these kinds of acquisition expenses through an LLC with no revenue? Their interface is confusing me when I try to enter these expenses without any income.
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Diego Vargas
ā¢I used TaxAct last year for this exact scenario. You need to file Schedule C even with zero revenue, and list all expenses in their appropriate categories (travel, meals, etc.). Then make sure to check "not operating" or "starting a business" when prompted. The software will handle the startup expense allocation correctly.
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Sean Kelly
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the importance of distinguishing between investigation expenses and actual startup costs. The IRS treats these differently under Section 195. Investigation expenses are costs you incur to decide whether to enter a business or acquire a specific business. These are generally deductible immediately if you actually go into that business, but if you decide not to proceed, they're typically not deductible at all. However, once you've made the decision to proceed and are actively working toward acquisition, those expenses become startup costs which follow the $5,000 immediate deduction rule mentioned earlier. Given that you've already formed your LLC with the specific purpose of acquiring this business, it sounds like you've moved past the "investigation" phase into actual business operations. This should work in your favor for deductibility even if the deal falls through. Also, keep in mind that meals during business travel are only 50% deductible (or 100% if they were in 2021-2022 due to temporary COVID rules). Make sure you're separating meal costs from other travel expenses when you calculate your deductions.
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AstroAce
ā¢This is really helpful clarification! I've been wondering about that investigation vs startup distinction myself. So if I understand correctly, since Oliver already formed the LLC specifically for this acquisition purpose, his travel expenses would be considered startup costs rather than investigation expenses? That seems like it would give him better protection even if the deal doesn't work out. Also appreciate the reminder about the meal deduction limits - I've been tracking everything together and definitely need to separate those out. Do you know if there are any other common travel expense categories that have special rules like meals do?
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Lucas Adams
ā¢Exactly right! Since Oliver already established the LLC with the specific business purpose of acquiring this particular business, his expenses should qualify as startup costs rather than investigation expenses. This gives him much better protection - startup costs can still be deducted (subject to the $5,000 immediate/$15-year amortization rules) even if the acquisition falls through, whereas pure investigation expenses typically become non-deductible if you don't proceed. For other travel expense categories with special rules: entertainment expenses are generally 100% non-deductible now (changed in 2018), parking and tolls are fully deductible, and if you use your personal vehicle instead of a rental, you can deduct either actual expenses or use the standard mileage rate (currently 65.5 cents per mile for 2023). Also, tips for business travel are fully deductible as long as they're reasonable. One more tip - if any portion of the trip included personal activities, you'll need to allocate expenses appropriately. The IRS is particularly strict about this with travel expenses.
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