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Don't forget to check the math yourself! I had a similar situation and it turned out the IRS actually calculated correctly - I had missed a tax credit I was eligible for when I did my amended return. Pull out all your documents and try to reverse-engineer their math. Sometimes what looks like an error is actually them finding something in your favor that you didn't claim.
As someone who's dealt with IRS overpayments before, I'd echo the advice about not spending the extra money and being proactive about contacting them. One thing to keep in mind is that the IRS has up to 3 years to identify and request repayment of overpayments, and they will charge interest from the date you received the refund. When you do contact them, ask specifically for them to put a note in your account that you called to report the potential overpayment. This creates a paper trail showing you acted in good faith, which can be helpful if there are any disputes later about interest or penalties. Also, make sure to keep detailed records of everything - copies of your original return, amended return, the CP24 notice, the refund check, and any correspondence. If this does turn out to be an error, having all the documentation organized will make the resolution process much smoother. The silver lining is that dealing with this proactively now is much easier than trying to sort it out years later when memories are fuzzy and documents might be harder to find.
This is excellent advice about documentation and creating a paper trail! I'm curious though - when you say the IRS has up to 3 years to identify overpayments, does that clock start from when they sent the refund or from when you received it? And is there any difference in how they handle interest if you proactively report the issue versus if they discover it on their own later? I'm asking because I want to make sure I understand the timeline implications before I decide whether to call immediately or wait a bit to see if they send any follow-up notices explaining the larger amount.
Has anyone tried using the "Nutshell" series? I heard the "Federal Income Tax in a Nutshell" is pretty good for beginners who want to understand the basics without getting overwhelmed.
I used that in law school! It's a great starter book that gives you the big picture concepts. It won't make you a tax expert, but it's perfect for understanding how different pieces of the tax code fit together. The explanations are clear and they use simple examples.
I'd add "Understanding Federal Income Taxation" by J. Martin Burke and Michael K. Friel to this great list of recommendations. It's specifically designed for people who want to understand tax law conceptually rather than just follow mechanical rules. What sets it apart is how it uses flowcharts and visual aids to break down complex concepts like the realization requirement, basis adjustments, and like-kind exchanges. The authors do a fantastic job explaining the policy rationale behind different tax provisions, which really helps you understand WHY the code works the way it does rather than just memorizing what it says. It's updated regularly and strikes a nice balance between being comprehensive enough for serious study but accessible enough that you won't need a law degree to follow along. The practice problems at the end of each chapter are also really helpful for testing your understanding.
Sorry this happened to you. Just to add a warning - be extra careful with this. My friend tried to claim stolen crypto as a loss in 2024 and got audited. The IRS made him provide tons of documentation. They're REALLY suspicious about crypto "theft" claims since some people try to use it to avoid taxes. Make sure you have solid proof it was actually stolen!
I went through something very similar last year when my hardware wallet got compromised and $15k in crypto was stolen. Here's what I learned from working with a tax attorney: You absolutely need to report the "sale" on Form 8949 as if you disposed of the crypto on the date it was stolen, but you can also claim a theft loss. The key is having bulletproof documentation - police report, wallet provider confirmation of unauthorized access, transaction logs showing the transfer to unknown addresses, and any communication attempts with exchanges where the thief cashed out. One thing that helped my case was getting a forensic analysis from a blockchain analytics company that traced the stolen funds and showed they were mixed/tumbled, which is classic money laundering behavior thieves use. This cost me about $500 but was worth it during my audit. Also, keep in mind that theft losses are subject to a $100 floor per incident, and you can only deduct the amount that exceeds 10% of your adjusted gross income. So depending on your income, you might not be able to deduct the full loss amount. The process is stressful but doable if you have proper documentation. Don't let the fear of an audit stop you from claiming what you're legally entitled to claim.
This is really helpful information! I'm new to dealing with crypto taxes and this situation sounds terrifying. Can you explain more about what the forensic blockchain analysis involved? Did you have to hire a specific company for that, and how did you find one that the IRS would actually accept as legitimate evidence? Also, when you mention the $100 floor and 10% AGI limitation - does that mean if someone makes $100k annually, they could only deduct theft losses above $10,100?
I completely understand your frustration! As someone who's dealt with S-Corp filings for several years, I can confirm that yes, the penalties apply even when there's no tax liability. The $210 per shareholder per month penalty is automatic under IRC Section 6699. A few key points for your situation: - The penalty starts accruing from the day after the original due date (March 15th for calendar year S-Corps) - It applies for up to 12 months maximum - Drake should calculate this penalty, but definitely verify it manually One thing that might help your client: if they have a clean filing history for the past 3 years, they may qualify for first-time penalty abatement. Also, if there were legitimate circumstances that prevented timely filing (like their previous accountant's issues), they could potentially argue "reasonable cause" for penalty relief. My advice: file the current year return ASAP, and consider submitting a penalty abatement request with a detailed explanation of the circumstances. Even if partially successful, it could save your client hundreds or thousands in penalties.
This is really helpful advice, especially about the first-time penalty abatement option. I had no idea that was available for S-Corps with clean filing histories. Quick question - when you say "clean filing history for the past 3 years," does that mean they need to have filed on time every year, or just that they filed eventually without any major compliance issues? My client's situation with the previous accountant filing late but eventually getting things submitted makes me wonder if they'd still qualify.
Great question! For first-time penalty abatement, the IRS typically looks at whether you've been assessed penalties (not just whether you filed on time). If your client's previous accountant did eventually file and there were no penalties assessed for those late filings, they might still qualify. The key factors the IRS considers for "clean compliance history" are: - No penalties assessed in the prior 3 tax years - All required returns filed (even if late, as long as no penalties were charged) - All taxes paid (or payment arrangements made) Since you mentioned the previous accountant told them "nothing was owed," it's possible no penalties were actually assessed if the IRS accepted reasonable cause arguments or if the filings weren't that late. I'd recommend pulling transcripts for the past 3 years to see exactly what's on record with the IRS before making the abatement request. Even if they don't qualify for first-time abatement, reasonable cause based on reliance on a tax professional who failed to meet deadlines can still be a valid argument for penalty relief.
One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure to check if your client's S-Corp election is still valid! If they've been filing late consistently, the IRS might have terminated their S-Corp status without them realizing it. This would mean they'd be taxed as a C-Corp instead, which creates a whole different (and much worse) penalty and tax situation. You can check this by looking at their Entity Classification Election status or calling the IRS Business & Specialty Tax Line. If the S-Corp election was inadvertently terminated due to late filings, you might need to file for relief under Rev. Proc. 2013-30 to get it reinstated. Also, since you're new to Drake for S-Corps, double-check that the software is properly calculating the penalty on the correct number of shareholders. I've seen cases where people forgot to account for spouse shareholders or missed shareholders who only held stock for part of the year. The penalty calculation can get tricky with mid-year ownership changes. Good luck with the filing! The penalties are harsh but there are definitely options for relief if you document everything properly.
This is such an important point that I hadn't even considered! I'm relatively new to handling S-Corp returns and the idea that late filing could actually terminate the S-Corp election is terrifying. How would you know if this has happened? Would the IRS send a notice, or do you only find out when you dig into it? Also, thanks for the tip about double-checking shareholder counts in Drake - that's exactly the kind of detail I'm worried about missing as I learn the software. Is there a specific report or screen in Drake that shows the penalty calculation breakdown so I can verify it's capturing all shareholders correctly?
Kylo Ren
$600 is absurd for your situation. I do taxes professionally and would charge around $250-300 max for what you described. Multiple states adds complexity but not THAT much. The IRA distribution is literally just entering info from a 1099-R and checking a few boxes about exceptions.
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Nina Fitzgerald
ā¢Not all preparers are the same though. Some have higher overhead if they're at a physical office vs working from home. Location matters too - prices in big cities are WAY higher. And some firms charge by form rather than by situation.
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Max Knight
As someone who's been through a similar situation, I'd definitely get a second opinion on that $600 quote. That seems really high for your circumstances. I moved from Illinois to Texas mid-year and had to deal with multi-state filing plus some retirement account complications. Ended up going with a local CPA who charged $275 total. The key is finding someone who specializes in multi-state returns - they can usually handle these situations efficiently since they see them all the time. Before you commit to paying $600, I'd suggest calling around to 2-3 other preparers for quotes. Also ask specifically about the medical exception for your IRA withdrawal - if it was truly for emergency medical costs, you might be able to avoid the 10% early withdrawal penalty entirely, which could save you way more than the difference in prep fees. Don't let anyone pressure you into paying more just because your situation has a few moving parts. Multi-state returns are pretty common, especially in college towns where students move around a lot.
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